Rupee falls to Rs189.5 against dollar in inter-bank

[Chak Bamu]

For valid reasons

When you have had full terms to rule, failed to provide development, ruined the moral fabric of society, and are only known for your corruption, then people no longer have respect for you or those who support you

Does not all this apply really well to PTI's rule?

 

[Chak Bamu]

Ok Boomer

Say that to your dad.

Thank you Bajwa

And not IK? LOL....

 

[Jango]

1. Stop saying that the government is 'imported'. A lying politician saying so does not make it so. Don't be so gullible.

Let's call it bikaoo then, that's better?

Ya sab MNA's aur MPA's bikay nhn, zameer ki awaz par hi floor crossing ki?

Even when I was (what I considered) a die-hard fan of IK & PTI, I kept an eye open. When I saw unwarranted statements, criticisms, & political expediency, I excused it but kept a mental note of it. Therefore when I clearly saw that IK's lust was causing damage to the country, I dropped him. It was not easy - a dream does not die quickly or without pain.

I suggest all partisans to allow their leaders to be humans, not idols. They can & do make mistakes. Laud their good steps & criticize (or at least note) their mistakes.

A view of structural & systemic issues is more important than personality worship.

You may remember my posts from before mid-2014 & how full of hope I was for PTI & IK. If I were a blind cultist, I would not have been able to reorient myself. I suggest that others try to keep an objective mind. There is only so much damage that a person should be allowed to inflict before one gives up.

I can't say that this accurately represents ALL of the PTI supporters, but I do honestly think that the support of PTI is one of the most self-critical in Pakistan, at least from what I have observed.

PPP followers won't admit to anything regarding their lot, they've killed people, grabbed land, and what not, but they won't budge an eye or criticize that.

Same goes for PML to a great extent.

PTI, while certainly not devoid of such blind following, does seem to have a higher proportion of critical supporters, me being one of them.

I could write down 10 mistakes and stupidities of IK right here. Choosing Buzdar, his ego, his individualistic personality, his occassional naivety, his extreme position on topics including the US one right here, Toshakhana ki cheez bechna (even though it's legal, but still I believe morally wrong) and many more.

I absolutely hate and loathe Shahbaz Gill, don't see any value that guy brings, I absolutely hate Babar Awan, I absolutely hate Azam Swati, and also Ghulam Sarwar.

Could you, or a larger portion of PML support base say the same for dear leader? Or for many PML leadership? Can you admit that yeah, Nawaz Sharif did fail to show the money trail? Yeah, Shahbaz Sharif is stuffing his servant's accounts with money? Yeah, Rana Sanaullah is in bed with SSP and LeJ? Yeah, Maryam Nawaz did forge documents?

 

[PakFactor]

If the ruling party ever lets PKR cross 200, that would be a crushing blow for people who support them

Based on a good friends calculations who’s an economics professor at Columbia University he said don’t be surprised if in two months time it touches PKR 220 and even 240 wouldn’t be far fetched either.

 

[Indos]

Many developing nations currency is felling misreably due to The Fed hawkish interest rate increase to tame surging inflation in USA, expected to keep being raised for the next 3-4 months

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

I really hope rupee cross over 200. Really want to see this govt start getting bashed over inflation asap.

 

[Indos]

Just for information, even rich country like Singapore increase the interest rate in order to bring down imported goods and fuel price ( by maintaining ( and hoping to increase) the Singaporean Dollar value)

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1517767333275705344

IMF is asking to do more. If China doesn't bailout this new govt then expect bad days ahead. Possible because China may think this setup is closer to USA.

This was worst possible time to replace govt just to get some relief from corruption cases.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Let's call it bikaoo then, that's better?

Ya sab MNA's aur MPA's bikay nhn, zameer ki awaz par hi floor crossing ki?

No floor crossing actually happened. No PTI MNA actually voted for SS. It was a mind-game which got PTI's heckles up. In the end PML-Q (Ch. Shujaat's factions) cast the decisive votes. IK can not manage factions. His arrogance created so many problems already. Just chalk the VoNC to him & not Floor Crossing.

I can't say that this accurately represents ALL of the PTI supporters, but I do honestly think that the support of PTI is one of the most self-critical in Pakistan, at least from what I have observed.

Some Insafis do criticize PTI & IK. But based on my experience, IK runs the party as a dictatorship & there is no future for any critical voice within the party. Just look at Justice (R) Wajihuddin, for example. Also, being critical of small issues assures yourself that you have a balanced approach. But the party fails in larger issues - Constitutionalism, press freedom, reaction to criticism, civ-mil balance, strategy of disruptive politics, ATMS, etc... That is where the party lost many many people. If you talk about these issues, you will have to leave the party. There is no tolerance. There are other concerns too - broken promises, U-turns, etc... This is how Fauzia Kasuri got ejected from party despite her many sacrifices. Now party workers know which lines not to cross.

PPP followers won't admit to anything regarding their lot, they've killed people, grabbed land, and what not, but they won't budge an eye or criticize that.

Some still dare to criticize, but they are few & mostly stay hushed.

Same goes for PML to a great extent.

Not quite. I've seen PML-N take a great deal of flak publicly by its professed supporters. For example when it was time to stand on principles, PML-N meekly OKed COAS Bajwa's extension. That really raised PML-N supporters' ire towards their leadership. There are times when the PML-N leadership is almost apologetic.

This is bound to happen when pragmatic parties take principled positions & then fail those principles. No PPP or PML-N or PTI partisan can really defend his/her party based on principles that party professes. Parties have to operate in an imperfect world with a very charged environment & in an immature polity where norms are not properly established. Partisans just judge other parties more harshly & shy away from openly criticizing their own preferred choices.

PTI, while certainly not devoid of such blind following, does seem to have a higher proportion of critical supporters, me being one of them.

Hats off to you sir.

I could write down 10 mistakes and stupidities of IK right here. Choosing Buzdar, his ego, his individualistic personality, his occassional naivety, his extreme position on topics including the US one right here, Toshakhana ki cheez bechna (even though it's legal, but still I believe morally wrong) and many more.

I absolutely hate and loathe Shahbaz Gill, don't see any value that guy brings, I absolutely hate Babar Awan, I absolutely hate Azam Swati, and also Ghulam Sarwar.

Could you, or a larger portion of PML support base say the same for dear leader? Or for many PML leadership? Can you admit that yeah, Nawaz Sharif did fail to show the money trail? Yeah, Shahbaz Sharif is stuffing his servant's accounts with money? Yeah, Rana Sanaullah is in bed with SSP and LeJ? Yeah, Maryam Nawaz did forge documents?

My defaults tend to portray me as a sympathizer of PML-N. Its just that when I point out PTI's hypocrisy, I tend to be painted as being 'with' or 'from' PML-N. It is untenable for me to defend PML-N as a party. I may vote for them for their track record of recent years, but I am not a supporter or a worker. I could list their faults too. However, I must say that I would openly & whole-heartedly support any sane alternative whenever it comes along. I ceased to consider PTI an alternative in August 2014.

Thank you IK for making Mian Sb's father rich in your tenure, although, shahbaz's father was so poor.

Well that is neither here nor there for all intents & purposes. What point were you trying to make?

I really hope rupee cross over 200. Really want to see this govt start getting bashed over inflation asap.

With friends like you, Pakistan really does not need enemies.

This is an example of putting your political party before the country. Not surprising. PTI folks have been doing this since August 2014.

 

[Indos]

I wish both dollar and oil reaches 250. Is unelected government ko itni galian parni hain aaj tak kisi government ko nahin parin

Dont let your hate on your political opponent inside the country greater than your love to your country and nation.

 

[Chak Bamu]

I wish both dollar and oil reaches 250. Is unelected government ko itni galian parni hain aaj tak kisi government ko nahin parin

Are you for real? How is this government unelected while PTI government was elected? How can you say this?

 

[Bilal.]

Imported government leading Pakistan into financial abyss.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Dont let your hate on your political opponent inside the country greater than your love to your country and nation.

This lot literally worships IK. Whatever he says immediately becomes a fact for these zombies. I have never seen anything like it in my lifetime. They always put IK over Pakistan. Its like "Assad or we burn the country down" in Syria. Its actually scary to have these fanatics around.

Seriously, this is fascism.

Imported government leading Pakistan into financial abyss.

I***** talking their heads off....

 

[Bilal.]

Idiots talking their heads off....

Don’t use abusive language like a fascist. Though your tendencies might tempt you to…

 

[Indos]

This lot literally worships IK. Whatever he says immediately becomes a fact for these zombies. I have never seen anything like it in my lifetime. They always put IK over Pakistan. Its like "Assad or we burn the country down" in Syria. Its actually scary to have these fanatics around.

I also see similar thing between the emotion heat between Indonesian Islamist+ Nationalist Religious faction vs Secular+ Non Muslim faction in Indonesia.

Even you can see secular Indonesian PDF member wanted to kill those Islamist in large numbers posted in this forum. This hate is not productive and only bring doom and divided nation

I am actually close to Islamist and Nationalist Religious faction in ideology, but I picked Jokowi due to his economic program and also how he handle defense procurement program where he is highly pro local defense industry.

In the end the groups that should be the king maker is the rational ones, if these group become larger then democracy can be productive and result in good government since they dont go to emotion when picking leaders, instead programs, track record, and real results