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Rumors: Pakistan to acquire five C-130J Super Hercules

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traditionally democrats are more india leaning, but biden is CLEARLY outspoken about afghanistan..i can assure he will not keep troops in Afghanistan.

regardless, pakistan just should try to get CSF via funds or military weapons..i think anything should be good even if its loan waiver or food items..

because one Afghanistan is in hind sight this wont come
 
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C-130s - acquiring used or new C-130s is not unrealistic given that we have used them for decades, and our fleet could do with some further investments in either upgrades and additional units.

Cobras - The US was always willing to sell these as long as it didn't have to subsidise them. If they've been released, either the Pak government/army have had to swallow their pride and stump up the cash, or the US is willing to make a one-time waiver, given that the US probably just wants to get rid of them.

Vipers - Same as above for the Cobras. In addition, the PAF were ALWAYS going to buy EDA units and possibly upgrade these to V standard. The same approach which has been used with the Mirages (scooping up all available units from around the world) will be used to augment the Viper fleet. AESA equipped Vipers are a relatively easy way to provide a counter to the Rafale. New Block-70/72s are unlikely as the US will probably not subsidise their sale and we won't have the cash for an outright purchase for any significant numbers. However, a few token examples can't be out of the question (8-12 units).

Su-35/J-15 - Extremely unlikely for several reasons. The most notable is that the Indians will find it relatively easy to develop tactics against these in PAF service because of their extensive experience with a similar type. The main reason why the Indians didn't go for the F-21/Block-70/72 was because of the PAF's decades worth of experience with the Viper - there's no way the Indians could generate expertise and tactics on the Viper which the PAF wouldn't already be aware of. The same applies if we were to acquire a Flanker derivative. In addition, the PAF isn't really seeking to acquire a completely new type, along with the required support and weapons structure needed. But the most obvious issue is that we all saw how the Flanker performed against the Viper/AMRAAM combo last year - why would the PAF want a lame duck? The PAF LOVES the Viper/AMRAAM combo, expect the same thing we've done with the Mirages for the Vipers, these will be with the PAF for decades to come.

Side note - if a number of people make wild and speculative claims, some of the claims will eventually be right. Doesn't mean everything they say is the gospel truth...most of it is probably BS and the usual rumour mill which goes on in military circles. Threads like these are a damning reflection of the country at large if people go ape shit over the possibility of a few Hercs and the Cobras which we were meant to get anyway.
 
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with Biden having an approval rate of 50+%(never in history has a candidate lost from here, even Hillary never hit 50%, she was at 42% all time high) it will take a lot of effort from trump to make it....

the only way for him to win from here is to have everything settled perfectly i.e he would need the economy to hit, Biden to fail in debates and a very good result in Afghanistan at the foreign policy level (or middle eats which is improbable) to really prove he is the man for the job....

i won't be surprised if a bush-era movement happens(f16s and other stuff)..
yeah thats my point. Blondies' in trouble. He's desperate. It's a huge humiliation not wining the 2nd term. Majority of the presidents won 2nd terms.
 
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C-130s - acquiring used or new C-130s is not unrealistic given that we have used them for decades, and our fleet could do with some further investments in either upgrades and additional units.

Cobras - The US was always willing to sell these as long as it didn't have to subsidise them. If they've been released, either the Pak government/army have had to swallow their pride and stump up the cash, or the US is willing to make a one-time waiver, given that the US probably just wants to get rid of them.

Vipers - Same as above for the Cobras. In addition, the PAF were ALWAYS going to buy EDA units and possibly upgrade these to V standard. The same approach which has been used with the Mirages (scooping up all available units from around the world) will be used to augment the Viper fleet. AESA equipped Vipers are a relatively easy way to provide a counter to the Rafale. New Block-70/72s are unlikely as the US will probably not subsidise their sale and we won't have the cash for an outright purchase for any significant numbers. However, a few token examples can't be out of the question (8-12 units).

Su-35/J-15 - Extremely unlikely for several reasons. The most notable is that the Indians will find it relatively easy to develop tactics against these in PAF service because of their extensive experience with a similar type. The main reason why the Indians didn't go for the F-21/Block-70/72 was because of the PAF's decades worth of experience with the Viper - there's no way the Indians could generate expertise and tactics on the Viper which the PAF wouldn't already be aware of. The same applies if we were to acquire a Flanker derivative. In addition, the PAF isn't really seeking to acquire a completely new type, along with the required support and weapons structure needed. But the most obvious issue is that we all saw how the Flanker performed against the Viper/AMRAAM combo last year - why would the PAF want a lame duck? The PAF LOVES the Viper/AMRAAM combo, expect the same thing we've done with the Mirages for the Vipers, these will be with the PAF for decades to come.

Side note - if a number of people make wild and speculative claims, some of the claims will eventually be right. Doesn't mean everything they say is the gospel truth...most of it is probably BS and the usual rumour mill which goes on in military circles. Threads like these are a damning reflection of the country at large if people go ape shit over the possibility of a few Hercs and the Cobras which we were meant to get anyway.

What is meant by EDA units?
 
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traditionally democrats are more india leaning, but biden is CLEARLY outspoken about afghanistan..i can assure he will not keep troops in Afghanistan.

regardless, pakistan just should try to get CSF via funds or military weapons..i think anything should be good even if its loan waiver or food items..

because one Afghanistan is in hind sight this wont come
Bernie would had been a lot better

What is meant by EDA units?
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Then you shouldn't be on a defence forum...
A defence website should be enough for you. It doesn't matter to people if you believe something or not.
do not address or respond to trolls, just report them :)
 
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Amen.

That is the way to go by all means.

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14 years on this forum, and yet 4 messages, WOW, Should I consider myself lucky for being one of the quoted among the holy 4 messages ? :D
 
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excellent news, since i don't know jack about transports in comparison to my limited knowledge on other aspects, can someone shed some light on advantages of the J model in comparison to previous one's

now only if these come flying with their bellies full of "goodies" :D
 
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The arrival of C-130J does not change the balance of power in the region, nor does the arrival of AH1zs. But if contracts were signed, why no announcements? I'll only believe it when the aircraft touches down in Pakistan.Until then it's all speculation.
 
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The arrival of C-130J does not change the balance of power in the region, nor does the arrival of AH1zs. But if contracts were signed, why no announcements? I'll only believe it when the aircraft touches down in Pakistan.Until then it's all speculation.

AH-Z1's are for counter insurgency , and C-130's are mainly for transport ..
 
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The Indian lobbyists are effective at FMF blocking - when it comes to cold hard Pakistani cash.. the lobbies have no power against LM or Textron.
Absolutely not. The FMS were blocked because both the Obama and Trump Administration assessed that Pakistan wasn’t doing enough to degrade the Taliban or helping the war in Afghanistan sufficiently to justify continued American financial support.
So your suggestion is that USINPAC has no hand in pushing for a block of FMS to Pakistan?
 
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