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“时奴贼既得辽阳,辽东八站军民不乐从胡者,多至江边…… 其后,贼大至,义民不肯剃头者,皆投鸭水(鸭绿江)以死。”(朝鲜 《朝鲜王朝实录》


so then why when han chinese want revival own culture and civilization, all against this?

To Revive the Chinese glory is more than just being a Hanfu cosplayer.

Now nobody is forcing you to not wear Hanfu, so stop this victimization syndrome.

I only care how China will again come to the top, and how it will recover its lost moral and morale.
 
What's your point?

Late Ming already adopted European style cannons as native ones lagged behind.

I'm asking for the primary source that Hanfu was banned,while you don't even address all the exceptions KirovAirship and I have shown.

If you thought the late Qing only utilized bows,spears and swords then you need to get your head checked.
Martin Martini的《鞑靼战纪》,他的汉名叫衞匡国。作为基督教的传教士,他跨越了明亡清兴前后十余年滞留于滞纳南部,作为实地目击者,他记录的可信性是毋庸置疑的。在他的《鞑靼战纪》里有大量关于辫发的记载,关于浙江省绍兴府,他这样写道:“鞑靼军没有受到什么抵抗就占领了绍兴府,浙江省南半府县也被这样轻易地占领,但是当鞑靼军颁布新规强制汉人剃发易服后,所有的汉人——无论士兵还是平民——都拿起了武器,为国家,也为皇室,更为了自家头上的毛发,以命相搏,抵抗鞑靼军,并把他们赶到了钱塘江以北。”当时Martini辞别在明朝为官的唐王,居住在浙江南部,温州陷落,他也被鞑靼军亲手剃发胡服
在《鞑靼战记》中,清朝曾想强制朝鲜剃发易服。据《鞑靼战记》记载,当初朝鲜归服清朝,曾立约衣冠照旧,后来清朝无视约定,改让其辫发胡服,朝鲜方面对此怀有不满,企图摆脱清朝的羁绊。

Martini离开中国去往欧洲,途经巴达维亚(Batavia),对荷兰人说明朝已灭,新兴政权清朝有与海外通商的好意。被说动的荷兰人于1655年派出使者,于1656年到达北京,拜见了顺治帝。据Neuhoff的记载,直隶、山东二省当初极其柔顺地归服鞑靼军的汉人,一旦剃发令出,突然开始奋力抵抗,为了保护自己的头发,死了数千人。
Careri在《世界一周记》中明确记载的那样——但经过雍正、乾隆、嘉庆三朝,渐渐习惯了发式,习惯了剃发,遂大为流行。到清中叶以后,汉人非常珍视辫子,“一天一打辫,十天一剃头”
 
Martin Martini的《鞑靼战纪》,他的汉名叫衞匡国。作为基督教的传教士,他跨越了明亡清兴前后十余年滞留于滞纳南部,作为实地目击者,他记录的可信性是毋庸置疑的。在他的《鞑靼战纪》里有大量关于辫发的记载,关于浙江省绍兴府,他这样写道:“鞑靼军没有受到什么抵抗就占领了绍兴府,浙江省南半府县也被这样轻易地占领,但是当鞑靼军颁布新规强制汉人剃发易服后,所有的汉人——无论士兵还是平民——都拿起了武器,为国家,也为皇室,更为了自家头上的毛发,以命相搏,抵抗鞑靼军,并把他们赶到了钱塘江以北。”当时Martini辞别在明朝为官的唐王,居住在浙江南部,温州陷落,他也被鞑靼军亲手剃发胡服
在《鞑靼战记》中,清朝曾想强制朝鲜剃发易服。据《鞑靼战记》记载,当初朝鲜归服清朝,曾立约衣冠照旧,后来清朝无视约定,改让其辫发胡服,朝鲜方面对此怀有不满,企图摆脱清朝的羁绊。

Martini离开中国去往欧洲,途经巴达维亚(Batavia),对荷兰人说明朝已灭,新兴政权清朝有与海外通商的好意。被说动的荷兰人于1655年派出使者,于1656年到达北京,拜见了顺治帝。据Neuhoff的记载,直隶、山东二省当初极其柔顺地归服鞑靼军的汉人,一旦剃发令出,突然开始奋力抵抗,为了保护自己的头发,死了数千人。
Careri在《世界一周记》中明确记载的那样——但经过雍正、乾隆、嘉庆三朝,渐渐习惯了发式,习惯了剃发,遂大为流行。到清中叶以后,汉人非常珍视辫子,“一天一打辫,十天一剃头”

I don't trust those western historians, although the Manchurian rulers always preferred to glorify themselves by distorting some part of history to suit their rule, but the western historians definitely don't have any good wish for China either.
 
To Revive the Chinese glory is more than just being a Hanfu cosplayer.

Now nobody is forcing you to not wear Hanfu, so stop this victimization syndrome.

I only care how China will again come to the top, and how it will recover its lost moral and morale.
so in your mind, hanfu is just cosplay? so funny, so in your mind, revival of Confucius is also cosplay, and more, we talk about hanfu, but some one deny the history that's why made us angry.
 
so in your mind, hanfu is just cosplay? so funny, so in your mind, revival of Confucius is also cosplay, and more, we talk about hanfu, but some one deny the history that's why made us angry.

I support the merging of the Confucius theory and the modern socialism, but not the Confucius theory with the purpose to serve the family dynasty only!
 
I don't trust those western historians, although the Manchurian rulers always preferred to glorify themselves by distorting some part of history to suit their rule, but the western historians definitely don't have any good wish for China either.
what? at that time , the westerns were not against china, so you even want deny the records of westerns? at that time china was not PRC, why western against china and made fate records? do you have logic? this is history records not modern western politic records

I support the merging of the Confucius theory and the modern socialism, but not the Confucius theory with the purpose to serve the family dynasty only!
so i can tell this kind words to you : You can not represent all chinese, who support Confucius theory , and many chinese against Confucius theory too, so you mean, Confucius theory is fault just because some people against it? because you said in the same way to us
 
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what? at that time , the westerns were lot against china, so you even want deny the records of westerns? at the time china was not PCR western why against china and made fate records? do you have logic? this is history records not modern western politic records

It doesn't matter China is PRC or something else, the West's attitude on China depends on its strength.

If China is strong which could be considered as a threat to their hegemony, they will be against you no matter you are communist or democratic.

It is not communist vs democratic, but the truth it is about east vs west.
 
It doesn't matter China is PRC or something else, the West's attitude on China depends on its strength.

If China is strong which could be considered as a threat to their hegemony, they will be against you no matter you are communist or democratic.

It is not communist vs democratic, but the truth it is about east vs west.
so the point is what? we are talking about history records , not modern western attitude on china , why you say western history records were fate?
 
so the point is what? we are talking about history records , not modern western attitude on china , why you say western history records were fate?

Not as credible as they were trying to promote.

so i can tell this kind words to you : You can not represent all chinese, who support Confucius theory , and many chinese against Confucius theory too, so you mean, Confucius theory is fault just because some people against it? because you said in the same way to us

You don't understand what I meant.

I am supporting the Confucianism that with the purpose to serve the people, not the Confucianism that was used to serve the Emperors and their family.
 
Not as credible as they were trying to promote.



You don't understand what I meant.

I am supporting the Confucianism that with the purpose to serve the people, not the Confucianism that was used to serve the Emperors and their family.
so you don't understand what we want too, we support hanfu revival, not mean against others nations, or force other nations wear hanfu, and not force han chinese wear hanfu daily lives , just use hanfu as our symbol , just like japan has kimono, korea has hanbok, vietnam has ao dai, india has sari, why han chinese want revival hanfu, you all against and mislead others this is racist? so funny and unbelievable isn't it?
 
so you don't understand what we want too, we support hanfu revival, not mean against others nations, or force other nations wear hanfu, and not force han chinese wear hanfu daily lives , just use hanfu as our symbol , just like japan has kimono, korea has hanbok, vietnam has ao dai, india has sari, why han chinese want revival hanfu, you all against and mislead others this is racist? so funny and unbelievable isn't it?

Where did I say that wearing Hanfu is racist? Nor I did say that I am against Hanfu.

But in order to revive the glory of China, there is something more important than just wearing Hanfu.

Hanfu is a good idea to recover our lost morale, but something just don't get too obsessed with one particular thing.
 
lies spreading?:confused:
himself is a liar , just check the whole records of discussion of this article you will know , he is always deny history

What's your point?

Late Ming already adopted European style cannons as native ones lagged behind.

I'm asking for the primary source that Hanfu was banned,while you don't even address all the exceptions KirovAirship and I have shown.

If you thought the late Qing only utilized bows,spears and swords then you need to get your head checked.
you want more history records of Hanfu's banned by qing government?
《清太宗实录》卷10,天聪五年十一月庚午条
顺治二年(1645年),清朝江宁巡抚土国宝宣布:“剃发、改装是新朝第一严令, 通行天下,法在必行者,不论绅士军民人等,留头不留发,留发不留头,南山可移,此令不可动” 。接着,江阴民众表示:“头可断,发不可免”


Where did I say that wearing Hanfu is racist? Nor I did say that I am against Hanfu.

But in order to revive the glory of China, there is something more important than just wearing Hanfu.

Hanfu is a good idea to recover our lost morale, but something just don't get too obsessed with one particular thing.
so you should check hanfu movement, of course we not just wear hanfu, with hanfu movement, we revival our good behavior , and glory , and culture, like poems, chinese drawing art, chinese traditional instruments, not only a costume
 
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What's your point?

Late Ming already adopted European style cannons as native ones lagged behind.

I'm asking for the primary source that Hanfu was banned,while you don't even address all the exceptions KirovAirship and I have shown.

If you thought the late Qing only utilized bows,spears and swords then you need to get your head checked.
record by Embassy of Great Britain

Macartney, G,. Journal of an Embassy from the King of Great Britain to the Emperor. "All the Chinese whom we have yet seen, from the highest to the lowest, have their heads close shaved, except on the crown, where the hair is left untouched by the razor, for about a couple of inches in diameter, and is suffered to grow to a great length, being considered as a very becoming ornament. It is always black, and as strong and coarse as horse hair, which it much resembles. It is platted in a tress, and falls down the back like a Ramillies queue. I have seen some of them a yard long."
 
so why not against japan? japan control much bigger territory of asia , if you want more land.


对于分不清文化复兴与民族主义的人,没必要跟你多话

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A cannon from the Huolongjing, compiled byJiao Yu and Liu Ji before the latter's death in 1375 (Ming Dynasty)

Pic from Edward Belcher - Edward Belcher (1843). Narrative of a Voyage Round the World. Volume 2. p. 158.
Chinese soldiers with gingals

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A Chinese scholar from Qing dynasty recorded that Cantonese are good at using air rifle, even a ten years old can "shoot a coin 100 steps far away" (just a hyperbole). :-)

"粤人善鸟枪,山县民儿生十岁即授鸟枪一具,教之击鸟。久之,精巧命中,置于肘上背物而击之,百步外钱孔可贯。鸟枪以新会所造为精,枪成置于掌上,击物而枪 不动,掌亦无损。然后架之于肘用之,其人在前,则转身而横击之,无不妙中。枪既锤炼精熟,夜必悬于墙,否则曲而不直。引药又宜长带在身,使人气温暖,方易 著火。炭则以糯谷为之,盖沙炮贵长,鸟枪贵轻,而药皆宜干燥。此外有三眼枪者,有置于刀枪之末,本末互用者,有交枪者。其曰瓜哇铳者,形如强弩,以绳悬络 肩上,遇敌万铳齐发,贯甲数重。其曰沙炮者,以百炼精铁为之。长者一丈五六,或二丈。每一发可毙人于三箭地外。其为制也,皮宜厚,腹宜光滑,口宜稍大于 身,使弹子易于喷撒。弹子多至升许,一发毙数十百人。杂以快钯藤盾,长短相救,用之战阵,可以每战辄无敌矣。"--[南越笔记 ]


Some paintings of the Battle of Palikao, a war of "disastrous failure" of the Qing dynasty lost to the British & French.

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Only long knife you said?
Wow the second pic you gave, 八里桥之战, qing soildiers used Bows and arrows, spears against french soldiers' gun. great, it made difference with long knives? same Cold steel against modern guns
 
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18th Royal Irish at Amoy (did qing soldiers use gun?)
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