Rumors killer -- Spreading lies is bad, mmkay?

[Snomannen]

so why not against japan? japan control much bigger territory of asia , if you want more land.


对于分不清文化复兴与民族主义的人，没必要跟你多话

A cannon from the Huolongjing, compiled byJiao Yu and Liu Ji before the latter's death in 1375 (Ming Dynasty)

Let's see how Ming people themselves describe their inventions:

「……以上之外，有火磚，一窩鋒，地雷，千里炮，神槍等，百十名色，皆不切於守戰，故不備，今皆一切禁之。以節靡費，惟有子母炮，尚屬可用，未當終棄，亦一奇品也。」－《練兵實紀》

I don't think I should remind you who 戚繼光 is.

Pic from Edward Belcher - Edward Belcher (1843). Narrative of a Voyage Round the World. Volume 2. p. 158.
Chinese soldiers with gingals
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Wow the second pic you gave, 八里桥之战， qing soildiers used Bows and arrows, spears against french soldiers' gun. great, it made difference with long knives? same Cold steel against modern guns

You just posted these pictures showing the invaders of China were using both firearms & using cold steels (such combination was extremely normal back in those days) yet you complain about Qing army has been using cold steels (with firearms ) to fight with the invaders.

Do you even know what you are doing or thinking.
Seriously you should go get your head check by a good doctor, at once.

Base on your logic, using firearms = not using cold steels, or using cold steels = not using firearms, am I right. Of course I am, once again you have proved that you have such a simple mind which can only distinguish "white & black" like a 3 years old.

And I even wonder if you can even understand the word "only (long knife)".


Also: ［17世紀前半，三十年戰爭的時代，古斯塔夫如此重視火器的使用，但在他的軍隊中仍然保有三分之一左右的長矛兵。］

Gun or knife you asked ? Why don't you go find yourself a glass.

 

[Snomannen]

record by Embassy of Great Britain

Macartney, G,. Journal of an Embassy from the King of Great Britain to the Emperor. "All the Chinese whom we have yet seen, from the highest to the lowest, have their heads close shaved, except on the crown, where the hair is left untouched by the razor, for about a couple of inches in diameter, and is suffered to grow to a great length, being considered as a very becoming ornament. It is always black, and as strong and coarse as horse hair, which it much resembles. It is platted in a tress, and falls down the back like a Ramillies queue. I have seen some of them a yard long."

Thank you for using this reference I gave you earlier to prove that the so-called "rat-tail" didn't exist.

 

[Snomannen]

Emperor of Qing: "Air rifle is one of the most important kind of weapons in the army."

［火绳一项, 甘肃省用纸张制造, 殊属非是。鸟枪最为军营利器, 而临时施放, 尤籍火绳点放, 朕常火枪中鹿, 从不知用纸为绳, 即向来京师健锐火器各营无用纸火绳效枪者, 盖缘纸张质地脆薄, 易于破损, 若用以为绳, 药多则过火迅速, 药少则又难点引, 且不耐雨水潮湿, 是以总用麻绳燃造,从无以纸为火绳之法⋯⋯嗣后各省营伍所用火绳, 俱著照定制以麻绳要制, 毋许偷换纸张, 以利军队而昭实用。］－－《清朝续文献通考》

 

[Snomannen]

I gave you already many times record of hanfu be banned in qing dynasty. but you ignored


畿南大屠杀

　　时间：北明崇祯十七年（1644年）阴历（以下同）五月

　　地点：北直隶三河、昌平、良乡等地

　　死难人数：约5,000人

　　发动者：满清“睿亲王”多尔衮

　　事件简介：是年五月，大顺军西撤。满清军队占领畿南地区，强令汉族剃发易服。当地汉族居民纷纷揭竿而起，反对满清统治。满清朝廷派出军队弹压，对起义者和居民大肆屠戮，连老幼亦不能幸免。

　　参考资料：《清世祖实录》


潼关大屠杀

　　时间：南明弘光元年（1645年）正月十三日

　　地点：陕西潼关

　　死难人数：约7,000人

　　发动者：满清“豫亲王”多铎

　　事件简介：正月十二日，李自成从潼关回援西安。留守潼关的大顺“巫山伯”马世耀向满清军队诈降，但密信为满清所获。次日，多铎诈称举行宴会，将马部官兵解除武装，手无寸铁的战俘被尽数屠杀。

　　参考资料：《清世祖实录》、《潼关志》


江阴大屠杀

时间：南明弘光元年（1645年）八月二十一日至二十三日

地点：南直隶江阴县

死难人数：约172,000人

发动者：满清“豫亲王”多铎、“贝勒”博洛、“贝勒”尼堪
事件简介：是年闰六月，江阴人民反抗满清的剃发易服政策，奋起据城反抗。典史陈明遇、主簿阎应元、秀才许用等人带领义民，抵抗满清围剿大军三月之久。城破后全城军民无一投降，俱为屠戮，只余老小五十三人。

参考资料：《江阴城守记》、《清世祖实录》、《清史稿》


鲁迅先生说：“满清杀尽了汉人的骨气廉耻。”其实东方落后于西方，正是始于满清的建立。


潼关大屠杀

　　时间：南明弘光元年（1645年）正月十三日

　　地点：陕西潼关

　　死难人数：约7,000人

　　发动者：满清“豫亲王”多铎

　　事件简介：正月十二日，李自成从潼关回援西安。留守潼关的大顺“巫山伯”马世耀向满清军队诈降，但密信为满清所获。次日，多铎诈称举行宴会，将马部官兵解除武装，手无寸铁的战俘被尽数屠杀。

　　参考资料：《清世祖实录》、《潼关志》

I already told you that "the long list you have posted has a lot of books yet none of the words on the list is really from any of the books. You know what that means? That means you didn't even open a single page of those books."

This is how you make references:

「在歷史上身居權力頂點的人物，一旦走上了錯誤的道路是很難迷途知返的，他們往往在謬 誤的斜坡上越滑越遠，張獻忠的悲劇正在於此。他甚至發出了“除城盡剿”的命令，分遣軍隊到所屬州縣搜殺百姓。連西京成都也發兵“剿洗”。 《聖教入川記》中，載錄了外國傳教士目睹的情況：張獻忠下令除大西政權官員家屬以外，成都“城內居民一律殺絕。”第二天，“各軍人皆奉命認真嚴剿，毫不容 情。……各軍分隊把守城門，餘軍驅百姓到南門就刑。”“被拘百姓無數集於南門外沙壩橋邊。一見獻忠到來，眾皆跪伏地下，齊聲悲哭求赦雲：大王萬歲！大王是 我等之王，我等是你百姓，我等未犯國法，何故殺無辜百姓？何故畏懼百姓？我等無軍器，亦不是兵，亦不是敵，乃是守法良民。乞大王救命，赦我眾無辜小民，云 云”。張獻忠聽了，“不獨無哀憐之意，反而厲聲痛罵百姓私通敵人。隨即縱馬躍入人中，任馬亂跳亂蹄，並高聲狂吼：該殺該死之反叛！隨令軍士急速動刑。冤乎 痛哉，無罪百姓齊遭慘殺。……錦繡蓉城頓成曠野，無人居住，一片荒涼慘象，非筆舌所能形容。”“獻忠剿洗成都後，旋即傳令曉諭各鄉場鎮村莊之民，均可移居 成都城內為京都居民。”張獻忠的過火行為，最後弄得自己越來越孤立，乾脆一把火燒掉成都，打算丟掉四川，另謀出路。」－《明末農民戰爭史》

「獻忠之在蜀也，殺掠尤慘，城邑村野，至數百里無人跡。民逃入深山，不得食而死者委填岸谷；或採草木葉食之，得生者久乃化為野人，裸處林棲，體生白毛，遇人則搏殺之而吮其血。」－《永曆實錄》

「明代末年，朝政腐敗，宦官專權，百姓生活舉步維艱。崇禎九年（1637年），臨武、藍山礦工在劉新宇、郭子奴領導下發動起義。崇禎十年礦工起義發 展到4萬餘人，順湘江而下，明軍結巨筏於耒水口（今衡陽市北）堵截，義軍以巨斧砍筏纜，筏散，官兵無力作戰。義軍遂由衡州水陸齊下，四月，湘鄉縣城被攻 陷，義軍據湘鄉縣城5日。攻湘潭，縣城有防，知縣黃文經集兵守衛，縣民推馬惟元為將，王應龍輔佐，在錦灣斬義軍數百，城未下，義軍遂散入鄉間，眾多農民響 應。在明軍邀擊下，礦工義軍退卻。五月，湘鄉天王寺（今婁底境）江長子、李大用、曉和尚起義，與臨武、藍山礦工起義相呼應，聚眾數千。崇禎十年冬十一月， 馬惟元病重，劉新宇會合湘鄉天王寺起義軍從寧鄉攻湘潭；馬惟元抱病出戰，死。王應龍單騎對壘，達十日之久；礦工以火藥炸城，城破。王應龍投奔何騰蛟。兩支 義軍會合後，攻長沙。同時又攻克瀏陽、醴陵，進入江西袁州境。江西、湖南調兵夾擊。湖南明軍在尹先明、羅安邦率領下進入湘鄉；義軍敗走龍山，龍山在今漣 源、雙峰、新邵、邵東四縣交界處。 《湘鄉縣志》載：“龍山為湘邑山水之宗。湘之山，以龍山為最大，而漣水即發源於其下。”明軍誣指“紳民”附和義軍，濫殺天王寺附近無辜百姓，暴屍於野；僧 人普濟收屍數百，葬於茶亭子，遂稱“千人塚”。崇禎三年，陝西發生農民起義。 《明史•張獻忠傳》載：“獻忠以米脂三十六寨應之，自稱'八大王'。”崇禎十六年八月，張獻忠起義軍進入湖南，江長子、李大用率部分義軍加入張獻忠的大西 軍，從湘鄉龍山攻邵陽、寧鄉，並掠瀏陽，張獻忠軍遂逼近岳州。 《明史•張獻忠傳》載：“沅撫（即湖南巡撫）李乾德，總兵孔希貴等城陵磯拒戰，三戰三克，殲其前部。獻忠怒，百道並進，乾德等不支，皆走，岳州陷。獻忠欲 渡洞庭湖，卜於神，不吉，投珓（占卜用的卦）而詬。將渡，風大作，獻忠怒，連巨舟千艘，載婦女焚之，火光夜如晝。騎而逼近長沙。”獻忠軍在長沙北郊殲明孔 希貴軍。巡按劉熙祚護衛吉王、惠王走衡州，圍城後，推官蔡道憲據城而守，以強弩置於城頭射擊。三天后，總兵尹先民降，長沙入獻忠軍手中。蔡道憲“盛服就 執”與凌姓衙役一同被義軍處死。而有一名叫馮一第的舉人卻往湘鄉招兵抗擊義軍，結果被張獻忠部下殺死。長沙城破，九月，張獻忠揮軍向衡州，據汪煇所作《湘 上痴脫難雜錄》載：獻忠軍過湘潭，見湘潭城已“為明（軍）殘破，遂未紮營，而四鄉業已受苦不堪，以馮典史為湘潭偽令”。這位馮典史任張獻忠的縣令後，留守 湘潭，縣境秩序井然。張獻忠入潭後繼續進軍，破衡州。 《明史•張獻忠傳》載：“吉王、惠王、桂王俱走永州。乃斥（拆）桂（王）府材，載至長沙，而自追三王於永。熙祚命中軍護一王入廣西，身入永（州）死守，城 陷見殺。”張獻忠連克東安、道州、郴州、桂陽後，攻武岡不下，又回兵直抵衡州。 《湘上痴脫難雜錄》說：張獻忠軍“自衡山至下攝司止，遍地搜山”，尋覓殘存官軍和地方豪強。而百姓“沿門設香花牌位，辦豬羊酒食、龍鳳旗傘迎接”義軍。張 獻忠軍對一切有功名的人、豪強之家，採取了極端措施，“不問老少、男婦俱斫去一手，間或斫去兩手”，“凡舉監生員以及鄉紳約保，有職役者皆剮”。光緒刊 《湘潭縣志•李常庚傳》則稱其“明季居南嶽，有道行。張獻忠至衡州，聞其名，求得之。常庚勸以勿殺。獻忠至殘忍，其在衡湘未嘗屠戮，常庚力也”。可見張獻 忠殘忍嗜殺，並不對一般百姓。張獻忠入潭後，“未嘗屠戮”應是事實，後來獻忠主力由湘潭經益陽往常德，不久又轉長沙，下岳州，而留部將簡甲屯兵湘潭。湘鄉 地方豪強勢力推李參將為首，同彭大廳率民兵與簡甲作戰，簡甲兵敗退走。 “李兵在湘，借捉賊之家為名，捉一人牽連十餘人，抄一家騙害十餘家，民不聊生。”凡支持義軍的百姓又遭一次大殺戮。崇禎十六年（1643年），張獻忠率兵 從湘鄉進攻寶慶，土弁王祥、彭東四自立為都督，殺擁張之縣民無數。崇禎十七年正月，有兵從淥口而來，李參將帶兵阻擊，被其殺敗，退入城中。既而船兵大至， 登岸殺人放火，李參將逃走，接著又有左良玉副將、馬士秀率大隊人馬“從醴陵、瀏陽抵長沙，並間河東州縣，俱逼焚殺不堪，小馬（馬士秀）兵在湘殺掠半月有 餘，方下武昌”。湘潭百姓又遭明軍左良玉部士兵一次屠戮。二月，湘潭城居民從山林中躲兵歸來，“米價高昂，南北不通，百里之內，音信杳然”，縣內十分荒 涼、蕭條，以至“市無貿，田無農，衙無胥吏”。清順治元年（1644年）春，張獻忠率部撤出湘潭，馮典史任兩年縣令後也隨軍而撤走，義軍出湖南由荊州入四 川。張獻忠在四川稱大西王。在張獻忠的大西軍猛烈掃蕩後，明諸王、官兵和地方武裝，趁張獻忠大西軍撤出，又瘋狂報復，肆意掠奪，濫殺無辜，正如《明季北 略》所說：“人之居者、行者，俱不得安保其身命。”人民無法生活，只得逃往偏僻的深山之中。」－《湘潭歷史考述 》

Oh and speaking of 魯迅, guess who said this: 「至於周的武王，則以征伐之名入中國，加以和殷似乎連民族也不同，用現代的話來說，那可是侵略者。」

 

[Jlaw]

Emperor of Qing: "Air rifle is one of the most important kind of weapons in the army."

［火绳一项, 甘肃省用纸张制造, 殊属非是。鸟枪最为军营利器, 而临时施放, 尤籍火绳点放, 朕常火枪中鹿, 从不知用纸为绳, 即向来京师健锐火器各营无用纸火绳效枪者, 盖缘纸张质地脆薄, 易于破损, 若用以为绳, 药多则过火迅速, 药少则又难点引, 且不耐雨水潮湿, 是以总用麻绳燃造,从无以纸为火绳之法⋯⋯嗣后各省营伍所用火绳, 俱著照定制以麻绳要制, 毋许偷换纸张, 以利军队而昭实用。］－－《清朝续文献通考》

He said he but was it ever used enmass in the Qing army?

 

[Snomannen]

He said he but was it ever used enmass in the Qing army?

Of course my good sir:

〔清帝通過舉行大閱, 檢視鳥槍演習, 以示軍威。康熙二十四年(1685 年) , 康熙諭令兵部:“國家武備, 不可一日懈弛, 舊例每歲必操練將士, 習試火砲, 爾部即傳諭八旗都統等, 預為整備, 朕於十八日將閱焉。 ”這天, 康熙親臨王家嶺觀看演習,“軍中吹螺者三,發巨砲三, 既爾排槍並發, 前後相繼, 聲絡繹不絕者久之, 且無不中的。 ”當時應邀參加大閱的阿海台吉及眾蒙古官員等, 皆驚懼失色, 為清朝軍威所震。〕

--《清代火槍述略》

 

[Snomannen]

李自然 《试论清初满洲贵族推行“剃发易服”政策的主旨》
《黑龙江民族丛刊》一九九八年第四期(总第五十五期)

《试论清初满洲贵族推行“剃发易服”政策的主旨》
顺治元年(1644年)清军入关后，多尔衮除马上出台安民政策外，于同年五月即传谕兵部：“今本朝定鼎燕京，天下罹难军民皆吾赤子，出之水火而完全之，各处城堡著遣人持檄招抚，檄文到日剃(剃)发归顺者，地方官各升一级，军免其迁徙”，“凡投诚官吏军民皆著剃发，衣冠悉遵本朝制度”。末几，由于北京等地的汉人反抗，清政府遂暂缓实行，“天下臣民，照旧束发，悉从其便”。

顺治十年(1653年)九月，由于发现部分艺人尚未剃发，顺治帝再次重申剃发令。“谕内大臣巴图鲁公鳌拜、伯索尼曰:‘览刑部奏言，缉拏逆贼伙党并获有未经剃发优人王玉、梁士子二人，供称身系戏子，欲扮女妆，以故未经剃发，如我等人，各省俱有’等语。前曾颁旨不剃发者斩，何尝有许优人留发之令，严禁已久，此辈尚违制蓄发，殊为可恶。今刊示严谕.内外一切人等，如有讬称优人未经剃发者，著遵法速剃，颁示十日后，如有不剃发之人，在内送刑部审明正法，在外该管各地方官奏明正法，若知而不举，无论官民治以重罪，其传谕刑部，速行刊示。”颁此严旨后，全国上下无一幸免.发式遂告统一。


“剃发易服”后的待遇。剃发后明人可免于杀戮，并分与田产。正如努尔哈赤招降镇武堡明军所说：“顺者生，逆者亡也！沙岭之人因不归降，遂破其城，尽杀其人”，“尔等已无所恃，即是败走，犹在山海关内，孰能给尔田舍耶?与其受妻离子散之苦，何如剃发速降之善哉！”言下之意，剃发可免死，给予田产，并保证妻子不离散。不仅如此，其安全还要受后金政权的保护，天命六年(1621年)三月二十三日，努尔哈赤致信额附恩格德尔：“河东汉人皆已剃发归降之，五部诸贝勒，当各自晓谕部众，严守本国，不得越界行乱，致招衅端”。“尔五部诸贝勒，如欲征明。可寻别地征之矣。汗已驻跸辽东城，河东乃我征服之地，其国人皆已剃发归降，尔等何故掠之?尔若如此前来征战，则我可往征尔等。如不从此谕，仍略我攻取之地，以致我两国构怨，又何益有之?据闻河东国人未尽剃发，其河桥已拆毁。拟于入冬冰结后，往征河对岸之地。冰结之前夕，五部诸贝勒如欲征明，可往征河东之国人众矣。”可见，剃发之人是被看作自己的国民，同满洲人一祥生活和受到保护。

顺治二年(1645年)六月的剃发令：“向来剃发之制，不即令划一姑听自便者，欲侯天下大定，始行此制耳。今中外一家，君犹父也，民犹子也，父子一体，岂可违异。若不划一，终属二心，不几为异国之人乎?此事无侯朕言，想天下之民亦必自知也。自今布告之后，京城内外限旬日，直隶各省地方，自部文到日，亦限旬日，尽令剃发。遵依者，为我国之民，迟疑者，同逆命之寇，必置重罪。若规避剃发，巧辞争辩，决不轻贷。”遵从者是清国之民，违犯者则为逆贼，这是判定真正顺逆的试金石。

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《清太宗实录》卷10，天聪五年十一月庚午条
顺治二年（1645年），清朝江宁巡抚土国宝宣布：“剃发、改装是新朝第一严令， 通行天下，法在必行者，不论绅士军民人等，留头不留发，留发不留头，南山可移，此令不可动” 。接着，江阴民众表示：“头可断，发不可免”

The primary source (written in classical Chinese) has recorded that people were killed because of denying changing their hairstyle, yet NONE of them were killed for the reason of "wearing Ming dynasty clothing".

Thank you again for proving yourself wrong.

Moreover this is also a primary source that recorded Han people were still wearing Ming's style clothing under Qing's rule, especially that Qing Han general who had committed a lot of massacres to Han people themselves and was very active to shave every single Han people's hair:

［金珠衣飾，書籍器皿，遍列通衢，其價甚賤。有錢買歸者，後獲大利。新太守張（按：張銚，偃 師人）住進士陳子龍宅。華亭縣陳鑑、海防楊之易，即忠臣楊漣長子，時雖剃髮，猶漢人衣冠，烏紗大帶，不改舊服也。餘以丁艱，不與科試，兼欲告閒，而同袍之 告退者不一人。學師欲索重價，餘以力綿中止。九月十三日，督鎮李成棟點驗各兵，餘與曹馳尹儒冠往觀之。李尚烏紗玉帶，用八座大轎，抬於門首，馬步卒皆疾趨 而過，軍威嚴肅，莫可名狀。］

－－《乙酉筆記》

 

[Snomannen]

I don't trust those western historians, although the Manchurian rulers always preferred to glorify themselves by distorting some part of history to suit their rule, but the western historians definitely don't have any good wish for China either.

Actually the recording from that westerner is believable since he was on the third party. However, if you have read this paper carefully, you would have found that what he said is that some Ming people were fighting against and die for protecting their country (Ming) and the hair on their heads, yet NONE of the words has ever mentioned they lost their lives for the sake of their clothing.

Here are some extra recordings from another westerner you may interested in:

"I was so much struck with their (Chinese) appearance, that I could scarcely refrain from crying out with Shakespear's Miranda in the Tempest: 'Oh wonder! How many goodly creatures are there here, How beauteous mankind is! oh brave new world, that has such people in it.' "

"During all this day, the neat husbandry of the country, the industry of the people, and the air of business that appears in their faces, the goodness of the road, and the circumstance of traveling in a post-chaise, almost made me imagine myself in England, and recalled a thousand pleasing ideas to my remembrance."

"Indeed the machinery and authority of the Chinese government are so organized, and so powerful, as almost immediately to surmount every difficulty, and to produce every effect that human strength can accomplish."

--A Journal of an Embassy from the King of Great Britain to the Emperor of China

 

[Snomannen]

See for yourself.


In case someone is going to criticize Qing dynasty's firearms are inferior compare with the British, Here are some sources about how Ming dynasty's officials evaluate their own firearms compare with their lovely neighbors:

「倭奴止以飛巒島鳥銃手三千憑為前驅，懸軍深入，不勞餘力，抗我兩國。我以兩國全力，不能製倭死命。焱馳電擊而前，從容振旅而退，不但諸酋盡全首領，至於倭眾亦覺無多損失。」－－《神器譜》

「倭制火銃，其藥極細，以火酒漬之，故其發速，又人善使，故發必中。中國有長技，而製之不精，與無技同。」－－《西園聞見錄》

「近來購來西洋大銃，其精工堅利，命中致遠，猛烈無敵，更勝諸器百千萬倍，若可恃為天下後世鎮國之奇技兮。」

－－《火攻挈要》火攻挈要(一) : (西洋)湯若望授 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

 

[Marshmallow]

Let's see how Ming people themselves describe their inventions:

「……以上之外，有火磚，一窩鋒，地雷，千里炮，神槍等，百十名色，皆不切於守戰，故不備，今皆一切禁之。以節靡費，惟有子母炮，尚屬可用，未當終棄，亦一奇品也。」－《練兵實紀》

I don't think I should remind you who 戚繼光 is.



You just posted these pictures showing the invaders of China were using both firearms & using cold steels (such combination was extremely normal back in those days) yet you complain about Qing army has been using cold steels (with firearms ) to fight with the invaders.

Do you even know what you are doing or thinking.
Seriously you should go get your head check by a good doctor, at once.

Base on your logic, using firearms = not using cold steels, or using cold steels = not using firearms, am I right. Of course I am, once again you have proved that you have such a simple mind which can only distinguish "white & black" like a 3 years old.

And I even wonder if you can even understand the word "only (long knife)".


Also: ［17世紀前半，三十年戰爭的時代，古斯塔夫如此重視火器的使用，但在他的軍隊中仍然保有三分之一左右的長矛兵。］

Gun or knife you asked ? Why don't you go find yourself a glass.

i was tagged here i guess? me no no understand chueng pueng lang

 

[Snomannen]

i was tagged here i guess? me no no understand chueng pueng lang

Sorry my bad, I tagged the wrong person~
anyway that doesn't matter, here have a kiss~

 

[Marshmallow]

Sorry my bad, I tagged the wrong person~
anyway that doesn't matter, here have a kiss~

inko eik pari na suba suba tu samjh aee gee....gaddhey!

 

[William Hung]

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I get it now... all these hipsters these days wearing skinny tight pants, including Chinese hipsters, are really acknowledging the glorious past of the British empire!

Look at the skinny pants of those British soldiers, it is exactly what western people have revived today. Even the shoe too!

 

[Aepsilons]

 

[Snomannen]

Another famous rumor which is often publicized Han chauvinist, Japanese right wings, Tibetan government in exile and other anti-China forces --

"Yuan dynasty and Qing dynasty are not China";
"China was Mongolia's colony";
"Manchurian rulers claimed that they are not Chinese..."

These people really know nothing about the history of those 2 periods of China
:

"The Proclamation of the Founding of Yuan Dynasty" (建國號詔):

誕膺景命，奄四海以宅尊﹔必有美名，紹百王而紀統。肇從隆古，匪獨我家。且唐之為言蕩也， 堯以之而著稱﹔虞之為言樂也，舜因之而作號。馴至禹興而湯造，互名夏大以殷中，世降以還，事殊非古。雖乘時而有國，不以利而制稱。為秦為漢者，著從初起之 地名﹔曰隋曰唐者，因即所封之爵邑。且皆徇百姓見聞之偶習，要一時經制之權宜，概以至公，不無少貶。我太祖聖武皇帝，握乾符而起朔土，以神武而膺帝圖，四 震天聲，大恢土宇，輿圖之廣，歷古所無。頃者耆宿詣庭，奏草申請，謂既成於大業，宜早定於鴻名。在古制以當然，於朕心乎何有！可建國號曰大元，蓋取《易 經》乾元之義，茲大冶流形於庶品，孰名資始之功。予一人底寧於萬邦，尤切體仁之要，事從因革，道協天人。於戲！稱義而名，固非為之溢美﹔孚休惟永，尚不負 於投艱。嘉與敷天，共隆大號！

The Emperor of Yuan clearly claimed the succession of former Chinese dynasties from the Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors to Tang dynasty.
Have you ever seen a suzerain amazingly claim the inheritance rights of its' colony?
Have you ever heard that the UK claimed that the UK is a successor of India?

Not to mention, during Yuan dynasty, Mongolian themselves also called their country "China":

鐵木兒塔識曰：「刺探在敵國固有之，今六合一家，何以刺探為？設果有之，正可令睹中國之盛，歸告其主，使知向化。」
--元史

鐵木兒塔識 (son of Toqto'a): "Such action of spying on your enemy state is no double expected, but since the world is now a united family, why would they even do such thing? Even if they are really spying on us, let them be. For they will see how great China 中國 (Zhongguo) is and report it to their king and make him obey (us)." --History of Yuan


As for Qing dynasty:

［Nerchinsk Treaty］
「...將流入黑龍江之額爾古納河為界。河之南岸、屬於中國(Zhongguo)。河之北岸、屬於鄂羅斯。」
"Argun river will be set as the border (between the two countries). The land from the south of the river belongs to China; the land from the north of the river belongs to Russia."

I'm not even telling you where is Argun river located.

Not Chinese you say:

「在逆賊等之意，徒謂本朝以滿洲之君，入為中國之主，妄生此疆彼界之私，遂故為訕謗詆譏之說耳... (逆賊)不知本朝之為滿洲，猶中國(Zhongguo)之有籍貫。」
"...(traitors) are so foolish that they don't even understand that Manchu is a part of China."
--Yongzheng, emperor of Qing Dynasty.