Role of Indian Intelligence Bureau (IB) and R&AW in East Pakistan 1963-1971

[integra]

Yes Muktis made the scrifice, its their blood which won the independence. But it is also true Muktis secrifice was hijacked and Bangladesh population was deceived by RAW and Awami leadership activities. That fine distinctintion people had been deceived on by Awami League and class of people in Bangladesh.

The world is not all Black and White, there are many shades of greys.
My response was on topic of foul mouthing the very people that won
you this country. If you sympathize with people (quite insignificant in no.)
who hates them, it's your call. There is nothing I can do about it.

The role of India on hijacking our struggle was mentioned by me
atleast a hundred times before. I just don't wish to repeat the
same old topic again and again.

Most of the people on this forum are tired over this '71 issues,
that includes Pakistanis and Indians.

 

[kalu_miah]

Some learned illiterate people even claim that people did not wanted separation before 25th March, 1971 and every struggle for independence was act of treason and RAW conspiracy and ordinary people had no support to that.

To such people I can only say they are not only void and live in their self delusional world and completely out of touch with reality. Continuous oppression and discrimination of Pakistani army was the prime reason for asking for separation and starting of act against it.

If it is treason then how you would define NE insurgency due to Indian oppression??? Fighting of Afghan again Soviet aggression??? Fighting of the blacks in South Africa??? Fighting of the Algerians against french?? Not to mention the independence struggle against the British in the Sub Continent???

People like these sould come out of Pakistani cloth which they are wearing directly or indirectly.

I am not sure if you are referring to me, but your point is very easy to refute. If Mujib wanted independence, he should have declared it openly, like Paresh Baruah does. He should have gone into hiding like NE insurgents, Afghans, ANC, Algerians etc. and then fight with his insurgent army. But notice what he did, he never openly declared his support for independence, he started a 6 point movement for AUTONOMY, so he can agitate the public with his deception and win election, while secretly he directly or through his conduits conspired with India and RAW all along for secession. Following RAW's instruction perfectly he navigated these difficult geopolitical chess moves as a pawn and eventually successfully provoked a military crackdown by Pakistan Army, which is what RAW wanted all along. That gave India the opening and that event also broke East Pakistan's bond of brotherhood and trust with West Pakistan and people then wanted independence, not before that. Before that it was only autonomy that they wanted which was officially the demand of Awami League 6 point. Mujib the coward was always terrified of declaring independence, even though Tajuddin wanted to at the night of 24th March when he was arrested. Finally Zia did it on his behalf on March 27, 1971, after the military crackdown started.

And don't accuse people of being Pakistani, unlike you I try to look at things from a nonpartisan point of view, which you are incapable of, it seems. I only support BNP for the time being so RAW and its agent Awami's can be removed from power. I am always on the side of the people of Bangladesh and will champion their cause. I am not after money, power, anything at all, just concern for the future of my hapless downtrodden people who can see no future or ray of hope at the end of the tunnel.

 

[kalu_miah]

Ok RAW is the villain here..everybody agrees on that...

But i am confused... What is your opinion on Bangladesh gaining freedom? Because RAW and India is directly involved in this.

My feeling is that if RAW was not involved, at some point we would get an amicable separation without causing a civil war and a blood bath. After all West Pakistani's were not killing us, we were being oppressed economically and it could be solved with more autonomy that both West and East could agree to, not the RAW designed 6 point demand that Mujib wanted which the West thought was a first step for secession. India was hasty about implementing their plan, they did not care if 200,000-300,000 people died, their feeling was that it was now or never, they engineered the whole thing using Awami League, who also wanted to rule their own country for greed of power and money. If it did not work out between East and West, there was no reason why we could not come to an amicable plan for separation at a later point, if that is what people of both sides wanted. That way we still would have a better relationship with both India and Pakistan.

 

[kalu_miah]

The world is not all Black and White, there are many shades of greys.
My response was on topic of foul mouthing the very people that won
you this country. If you sympathize with people (quite insignificant in no.)
who hates them, it's your call. There is nothing I can do about it.

The role of India on hijacking our struggle was mentioned by me
atleast a hundred times before. I just don't wish to repeat the
same old topic again and again.

Most of the people on this forum are tired over this '71 issues,
that includes Pakistanis and Indians.

There is a reason why we are doing it. It is a direct attack against RAW and its involvement in Bangladesh, by informing people about RAW's history in Bangladesh. If people are tired, let them speak and the mods can close the thread. You do not speak for people.

 

[Ajaxpaul]

My feeling is that if RAW was not involved, at some point we would get an amicable separation without causing a civil war and a blood bath. After all West Pakistani's were not killing us, we were being oppressed economically and it could be solved with more autonomy that both West and East could agree to, not the RAW designed 6 point demand that Mujib wanted which the West thought was a first step for secession. India was hasty about implementing their plan, they did not care if 200,000-300,000 people died, their feeling was that it was now or never, they engineered the whole thing using Awami League, who also wanted to rule their own country for greed of power and money. If it did not work out between East and West, there was no reason why we could not come to an amicable plan for separation at a later point, if that is what people of both sides wanted. That way we still would have a better relationship with both India and Pakistan.

Mujib might or might not have met with RAW ( although denied by AL ). But why did he meet RAW ?

I read this :

" The Bangladesh War for Independence began following the 1970 Pakistani election and eventually resulted in the secession of East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). Events related to this conflict also led to a war with India in 1971.

Pakistan held elections in 1970 under the authority of the Legal Framework Order, aiming to create a representative form of government following a year of martial law, with a new constitution to follow. The Awami League (AL) won an absolute majority, winning all its seats in East Pakistan. The Pakistan People’s Party, based in West Pakistan and led by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, came in second, dominating in the west. The AL electoral victory promised it control of the government. However, party leader Sheikh Mujibur Rehman was not granted the premiership by the president and power-sharing negotiations ensued. Rehman suggested he become prime minister of East Pakistan while Bhutto be made prime minister of West Pakistan, supporting the party’s platform of decentralized government and increased provincial autonomy.

In March 1971 the AL launched a campaign of civil disobedience, immobilizing the east. In response, army units directed by West Pakistan launched a military operation in East Pakistan that was followed swiftly by a declaration of independence by Bengali nationalists and civil war.

Bengalis formed a paramilitary force—Mukti Bahini (Liberation Army)—to fight against the West Pakistan army. India provided refuge to nearly 10 million East Pakistanis displaced by the conflict and provided economic and military support to the Mukti Bahini forces. On 23 November 1971, Indian troops entered East Pakistan, and West Pakistan responded by declaring war on 3 December. The allied forces of the Indian army and the Mukti Bahini defeated the West Pakistan forces deployed in the East on 16 December 1971. Following Pakistan’s surrender, East Pakistan seceded and the state of Bangladesh was born. "


The reason might be...Mujib did not get power even though he won in a democratic victory according to people's wishes. This was a blunder done by West Pakistanis among many things.

 

[yoku]

Role of Indian Intelligence agencies in East Pakistan 1963-71 is exactly that. Intelligence gathering! Only after the war of Independence started, there was a role of India in supporting Mukhti Bahini against PA and intervened militarily only at the end of the war. R&AW's role is exaggerated by conspiracy theorists and was refuted by war Historians. In fact, KGB had a bigger role than R&AW at that time.

Slightly Off-Topic: It's important to look at East Pakistan from Bengalis' perspective and right from 1947. They felt alienated even though they formed the majority of Pakistan at that time. Most importantly, the west Pakistanis, being the convinced "Aryans", did not shy away from showing off their Supremacy and Martial-race(ness) and an opinion that they had nothing in common with Bengalis except the religion and felt Kashmiris were a lot more closer. They felt the need to fight wars with India for Kashimir, which the Majority community Bengalis were not that interested in but had sort of Pay for it. This made West Pakistanis see Hindu(ness)-Timidness-Baniya(ness) in Bengali Muslims and later Traitors of the Ummah. There was nothing that R&AW had to do here to create an insurgency. (especially so, given that Bengali and Urdu Speaking community literally created Pakistan and despised Indians.

 

[kalu_miah]

Biggest troll in this thread.

Go and talk to current pakistani regime and make your country a part of West pakistan and demand autonomy and pakistanis will save Bengalis from Evil India.

Don't worry, we don't need Pakistan to kick RAW a** out of Bangladesh. We will do it in time.

Role of Indian Intelligence agencies in East Pakistan 1963-71 is exactly that. Intelligence gathering! Only after the war of Independence started, there was a role of India in supporting Mukhti Bahini against PA and intervened militarily only at the end of the war. R&AW's role is exaggerated by conspiracy theorists and was refuted by war Historians. In fact, KGB had a bigger role than R&AW at that time.

Slightly Off-Topic: It's important to look at East Pakistan from Bengalis' perspective and right from 1947. They felt alienated even though they formed the majority of Pakistan at that time. Most importantly, the west Pakistanis, being the convinced "Aryans", did not shy away from showing off their Supremacy and Martial-race(ness) and an opinion that they had nothing in common with Bengalis except the religion and felt Kashmiris were a lot more closer. They felt the need to fight wars with India for Kashimir, which the Majority community Bengalis were not that interested in but had sort of Pay for it. This made West Pakistanis see Hindu(ness)-Timidness-Baniya(ness) in Bengali Muslims and later Traitors of the Ummah. There was nothing that R&AW had to do here to create an insurgency. (especially so, given that Bengali and Urdu Speaking community literally created Pakistan and despised Indians.

RAW did it break Pakistan to weaken it and also to save its NE states from ISI/China meddling. Please read B Raman's book. RAW is still involved in Bangladesh for the same reasons, note how ULFA leaders were handed over to India by Hasina, without any extradition treaty between Bangladesh and India.

Mujib might or might not have met with RAW ( although denied by AL ). But why did he meet RAW ?

I read this :

" The Bangladesh War for Independence began following the 1970 Pakistani election and eventually resulted in the secession of East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). Events related to this conflict also led to a war with India in 1971.

Pakistan held elections in 1970 under the authority of the Legal Framework Order, aiming to create a representative form of government following a year of martial law, with a new constitution to follow. The Awami League (AL) won an absolute majority, winning all its seats in East Pakistan. The Pakistan People’s Party, based in West Pakistan and led by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, came in second, dominating in the west. The AL electoral victory promised it control of the government. However, party leader Sheikh Mujibur Rehman was not granted the premiership by the president and power-sharing negotiations ensued. Rehman suggested he become prime minister of East Pakistan while Bhutto be made prime minister of West Pakistan, supporting the party’s platform of decentralized government and increased provincial autonomy.

In March 1971 the AL launched a campaign of civil disobedience, immobilizing the east. In response, army units directed by West Pakistan launched a military operation in East Pakistan that was followed swiftly by a declaration of independence by Bengali nationalists and civil war.

Bengalis formed a paramilitary force—Mukti Bahini (Liberation Army)—to fight against the West Pakistan army. India provided refuge to nearly 10 million East Pakistanis displaced by the conflict and provided economic and military support to the Mukti Bahini forces. On 23 November 1971, Indian troops entered East Pakistan, and West Pakistan responded by declaring war on 3 December. The allied forces of the Indian army and the Mukti Bahini defeated the West Pakistan forces deployed in the East on 16 December 1971. Following Pakistan’s surrender, East Pakistan seceded and the state of Bangladesh was born. "


The reason might be...Mujib did not get power even though he won in a democratic victory according to people's wishes. This was a blunder done by West Pakistanis among many things.

Yes, I mention it many times. Once Mujib has won election, they had no choice but to follow his words. Operation Searchlight was their blunder, without having any evidence of wrongdoing by Awami League.

 

[Srinivas]

Don't worry, we don't need Pakistan to kick RAW a** out of Bangladesh. We will do it in time.



RAW did it break Pakistan to weaken it and also to save its NE states from ISI/China meddling. Please read B Raman's book. RAW is still involved in Bangladesh for the same reasons, note how ULFA leaders were handed over to India by Hasina, without any extradition treaty between Bangladesh and India.



Yes, I mention it many times. Once Mujib has won election, they had no choice but to follow his words. Operation Searchlight was their blunder, without having any evidence of wrongdoing by Awami League.

Do you know the facts about Partition. East pakistan and West pakistan are bound to separate alot of people predicted it. Pakistans ideology is to maintain the supremacy of the Islamic ruling elite on the Indian subcontinent.
How can you Bengalis think they will be treated equally in the ernst while pakistan. The break up of pakistan was on the cards right after independence. Even now pakistan is experiencing violence and instability.
The main reason is lies in the thinking of the West Punjabi ruling elite.

 

[baldFish]

Do you know the facts about Partition. East pakistan and West pakistan are bound to separate alot of people predicted it. Pakistans ideology is to maintain the supremacy of the Islamic ruling elite on the Indian subcontinent.
How can you Bengalis think they will be treated equally in the ernst while pakistan. The break up of pakistan was on the cards right after independence. Even now pakistan is experiencing violence and instability.
The main reason is lies in the thinking of the West Punjabi ruling elite.

a state with two wings and its arch-rival in between is destined to split and the treatment of the masses by the then ruling government was very biased, some people who arent biased say that had Jinnah been given Karachi, he would have been happy and on the same time its sad to see leaders like Shubhas Bose are almost forgotten in Bangladesh

 

[Luffy 500]

On the other hand will always see the actions of a neighbour who helped them to get Independence with suspicion.

I think in your mind India might have commited more crimes than West pakistani Racials.

Somebody is jealous.Crying for some gratefulness eh pathetic indian.

a state with two wings and its arch-rival in between is destined to split and the treatment of the masses by the then ruling government was very biased, some people who arent biased say that had Jinnah been given Karachi, he would have been happy and on the same time its sad to see leaders like Shubhas Bose are almost forgotten in Bangladesh

Well Mr.Awami clown fish Shubhas Bose was not born in E.bengal and doesn't have anything to
do with BD.Even if this guy was born in today's BD being an Indian nationalist he has nothing to do with BD. He was an Indian nationalist and so the question of forgotten doesn't even come.
You are an unique piece really, a pakistani-bangladeshi origin pro-indian. SO which country do
you consider your second home PAK or BD.

 

[baldFish]

Somebody if jealous.Crying for some gratefulness eh pathetic indian.



Well Mr.Awami clown fish Shubhas Bose was not born in E.bengal and doesn't have anything to
do with BD.Even if this guy was born in today's BD being an Indian nationalist he has nothing to do with BD. He was an Indian nationalist and so the question of forgotten doesn't even come.
You are an unique piece really, a pakistani-bangladeshi origin pro-indian. SO which country do
you consider your second home PAK or BD.

there was no divided bengal before 1905,

the man was for free india, even jinnah had that stance and so did many other prominent bengali leaders...

i am not pro india i am pro justice and truth, just because something is your ancestral homeland you must support it blindly...

i consider both home equally and my fathers side which is from bangladesh is very political and I will tell you this they are avid supporters of awami league by virtue of being related to suruwardi, that being said the current political regimes in bd regarless of party awami bnp or jamatis are the worst things to happen to this part of the world after the great famines

and mr lulffy please try to refrain from ad hominem

 

[Luffy 500]

there was no divided bengal before 1905,

the man was for free india, even jinnah had that stance and so did many other prominent bengali leaders...

i am not pro india i am pro justice and truth, just because something is your ancestral homeland you must support it blindly...

i consider both home equally and my fathers side which is from bangladesh is very political and I will tell you this they are avid supporters of awami league by virtue of being related to suruwardi, that being said the current political regimes in bd regarless of party awami bnp or jamatis are the worst things to happen to this part of the world after the great famines

and mr lulffy please try to refrain from ad hominem

Somebody badmouthing a personality like Pres.Zia based on Bakshali logic can not be pro-justice or truth. Nuff said.

 

[idune]

i am not pro india i am pro justice and truth, just because something is your ancestral homeland you must support it blindly...

i consider both home equally and my fathers side which is from bangladesh is very political and I will tell you this they are avid supporters of awami league by virtue of being related to suruwardi, that being said the current political regimes in bd regarless of party awami bnp or jamatis are the worst things to happen to this part of the world after the great famines

Equating Awami League with BNP in same bracket is age old awami leaguers /closet awami leaguers tricks to cover their anti state activities. So closet awami thugs trying to take moral high ground is pure farce.

As for you are not pro indian, india/RAW and awami league are joined at the hip. It’s a sheer deception to defend awami league (by equating with BNP) and speak against india and its nefarious activities. Awami league and india is not a case of “either” “or”. Awami League is extension of indian activities in Bangladesh.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Thanks for assurance but reality proves some folks are correct.

Here is how R&AW staking out in every corner of Bangladesh.

Delhi public school in Uttara

I don't know about it being some sort of RAW outpost, but that school is terrible.

Launching personal attack is not gonna accomplish any of your objective.

Look who's talking...

i am not pro india i am pro justice and truth, just because something is your ancestral homeland you must support it blindly...

Erm...okay...

i consider both home equally and my fathers side which is from bangladesh is very political and I will tell you this they are avid supporters of awami league by virtue of being related to suruwardi, that being said the current political regimes in bd regarless of party awami bnp or jamatis are the worst things to happen to this part of the world after the great famines

and mr lulffy please try to refrain from ad hominem

Based on?

Most Bangladeshis in Bangladesh aren't necessarily die-hard supporters of AL or BNP. It is the 'rest' who decides as to who takes the cake. This isn't my opinion, but a fact.

I admit, there are some powerful figures who pull the strings on both AL and BNP/Jamaat during their respective rule. Much of it based on whimsical feelings rather than logic that'd benefit all.

It is the volatile nature of Bangladeshi politics. Hell, the AL partly survives on Indian prescriptions from time to time, and they have no problem with it!

What about the mysterious disappearance of BNP leader Ilias Ali? The man was very critical of the Tipaimukh dam.

What about the the mysterious murder of union leader Aminul Islam? And then the RMG sector witnessed violence?

The US had been very critical of those incidents, and government's slow response.

Those are just some examples.

If you are up for justice and truth, then please answer those questions by finding them out yourself. Delivering the swift and final blow of justice is not as simple as just swinging the sword.

On a side note, I've even known wealthy Awami activists residing in Canada And frankly, their ilks don't make any difference whatsoever.

Bose? He is hardly mentioned in the history of Bangladesh since Bangladesh didn't even exist at the time of his activities!

And there never was any such thing as 'Bengali Nationalism', or 'Bengalism' in the first place. It was nothing but an illusion. Do you ever see West Bengalis chanting 'Joy Bangla'?

 

[TopCat]

I don't know about it being some sort of RAW outpost, but that school is terrible.



Look who's talking...



Erm...okay...




Based on?

Most Bangladeshis in Bangladesh aren't necessarily die-hard supporters of AL or BNP. It is the 'rest' who decides as to who takes the cake. This isn't my opinion, but a fact.

I admit, there are some powerful figures who pull the strings on both AL and BNP/Jamaat during their respective rule. Much of it based on whimsical feelings rather than logic that'd benefit all.

It is the volatile nature of Bangladeshi politics. Hell, the AL partly survives on Indian prescriptions from time to time, and they have no problem with it!

What about the mysterious disappearance of BNP leader Ilias Ali? The man was very critical of the Tipaimukh dam.

What about the the mysterious murder of union leader Aminul Islam? And then the RMG sector witnessed violence?

The US had been very critical of those incidents, and government's slow response.

Those are just some examples.

If you are up for justice and truth, then please answer those questions by finding them out yourself. Delivering the swift and final blow of justice is not as simple as just swinging the sword.

On a side note, I've even known wealthy Awami activists residing in Canada And frankly, their ilks don't make any difference whatsoever.

Bose? He is hardly mentioned in the history of Bangladesh since Bangladesh didn't even exist at the time of his activities!

And there never was any such thing as 'Bengali Nationalism', or 'Bengalism' in the first place. It was nothing but an illusion. Do you ever see West Bengalis chanting 'Joy Bangla'?

NO erstwhile congress politics is widely discuss in Bangladesh. But Mr. Bose was such a personality who could reach both Hindus and Muslims alike. He was widely admired with common Bengali masses as he could show middle finger to both Gandhi and British together. My grandfather was a activist of Muslim League movement in British era but he always used to mention about Netaji and admired him as far as I can remember.

The biggest political party in BD advocates Bengali Nationalism days and night. What you guys, considering them as if they dont exist in Bangladesh. LOL