Role of Indian Intelligence Bureau (IB) and R&AW in East Pakistan 1963-1971

[idune]

Seems like folks with Bihari origin are more willing to entertain the RAW boogyman involvement.

Few others before you tried to use "boogyman" propaganda escape on RAW's defence but everytime RAW proven other before you and you wrong. We have seen how RAW concocted story of ISI money and its officials even asked Prothom ALO to publish its propaganda. We have seen how RAW trained and run killing squad making killing run on foreign diplomat, journalists and politicans and made them disappeared.

When you can not defend your stand start calling people "bihari", "rajakar" never proves your point nor make your labeling any true. Besides, when you and your type who label other people with "bihari" and "rajakar" will realize that 40 years after the independence there is no use of these Awami supressive tool? "rajakars" are long gone along with natural evolution.

 

[fallstuff]

Few others before you tried to use "boogyman" propaganda escape on RAW's defence but everytime RAW proven other before you and you wrong. We have seen how RAW concocted story of ISI money and its officials even asked Prothom ALO to publish its propaganda. We have seen how RAW trained and run killing squad making killing run on foreign diplomat, journalists and politicans and made them disappeared.

When you can not defend your stand start calling people "bihari", "rajakar" never proves your point nor make your labeling any true. Besides, when you and your type who label other people with "bihari" and "rajakar" will realize that 40 years after the independence there is no use of these Awami supressive tool? "rajakars" are long gone along with natural evolution.

My comment was pretty clear, its about folks with Bihari origin tend to see RAW acts on every whim. I could be wrong on a few cases, but generally I stand by my point. I also do understand that these Bihari folks lost a lot in and following '71. A lot of the Bihari people suffered even when they had no part in helping out Pakistani military.

We seriously need to drop the mind set that we can't do anything because of RAW.

People with self-confidence and convictions get things done, the naysayers/weaklings always have an excuse or two.

This is about what you can or can't do, blaming someone else ain't gonna make a tough work easy.

 

[kalu_miah]

Its not only here, but also life in general. I know few people with Bihari origin hates BD with a passion, ofcourse hate AL with even more passion.

I asked you a very specific question, here it is again: who in this pdf forum do you think is Bihari, name names please? Then we can ask them to verify it. If Comilla is part of Bihar then I am Bihari, where both my parents are from.

 

[kalu_miah]

My comment was pretty clear, its about folks with Bihari origin tend to see RAW acts on every whim. I could be wrong on a few cases, but generally I stand by my point. I also do understand that these Bihari folks lost a lot in and following '71. A lot of the Bihari people suffered even when they had no part in helping out Pakistani military.

We seriously need to drop the mind set that we can't do anything because of RAW.

People with self-confidence and convictions get things done, the naysayers/weaklings always have an excuse or two.

This is about what you can or can't do, blaming someone else ain't gonna make a tough work easy.

I myself here is not Bihari, I am as Bangali as any one of you are, even more local than people who moved from West Bengal. And I am telling you that RAW has been our biggest problem since 1950's. They have consistently subverted our interest and are still doing it using their RAWami and other agents. Once we remove the RAWami's from power, what we need to do is pass a law in parliament that says:

- anyone who knowingly or unknowingly cooperates with a foreign intelligence agency of any country will be tried for treason
- the punishment for treason will be lifetime imprisonment without any possibility of parole or early release, unlike RAWami Indian agent thugs, I do not believe in killing people for any reason

Unless we cleanse Bangladesh of RAW agents and operations, Bangladesh and its people will not be able to work on their future.

To identify RAW agents we need to create a people's intelligence network that will look for RAW agents as our entire govt. machinery has been infiltrated and compromised using RAWami's.

And anyone who tries to deny RAW influence or try to propagate theories that RAW influence is not harming Bangladesh, have to be looked at with suspicion.

 

[KRAIT]

I hate to admit but I think Indian sub-continent is full of idiots like us who elects worst people as are leader, to form a government and then lament them.

Should'a, Would'a, Could'a......That's all we talk about, Remove Zardari, Remove CON-gress, Remove RAWami, but still they come to power. All elected by us. I think we deserve to have these governments.

@topic
If RAW has infiltrated so much in Bangladesh, which one you trust and which one you won't?

 

[integra]

One needs to have a bit of shame to
question the founding principles of a nation,
when one loses it , the credibility is gone,
what's left are vacant chest thumps which
no one can hear in the real world.

 

[idune]

One needs to have a bit of shame to
question the founding principles of a nation,
when one loses it , the credibility is gone,
what's left are vacant chest thumps which
no one can hear in the real world.

Problem is our independent founding principal was hijacked and had been twisted by certain party to fit the need of neighboring country.

My comment was pretty clear, its about folks with Bihari origin tend to see RAW acts on every whim.

Who is with "bihari" origin here? Come clean with your accusation and proof. Otherwise loose your credibilty as another Awami type label maker who can not prove opposing view wrong.

 

[kalu_miah]

One needs to have a bit of shame to
question the founding principles of a nation,
when one loses it , the credibility is gone,
what's left are vacant chest thumps which
no one can hear in the real world.

What founding principles of Bangladeshi nation are you talking about, Bengali Nationalism?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

MERGE WITH PAKISTAN ONCE AGIAN .. BUT PLZ SPARE US 4M THESE THREADS

Once bitten twice shy. You got to be joking. We are not going to let Indian's and the Bengali's do another 1971 on us. You planted the seed, you nurtured it, you watered it and then you help give birth to it in 1971. Now you get to enjoy it's company. Thanks god we don't even have a border and a safe distance from them !!!

 

[kalu_miah]

I hate to admit but I think Indian sub-continent is full of idiots like us who elects worst people as are leader, to form a government and then lament them.

Should'a, Would'a, Could'a......That's all we talk about, Remove Zardari, Remove CON-gress, Remove RAWami, but still they come to power. All elected by us. I think we deserve to have these governments.

@topic
If RAW has infiltrated so much in Bangladesh, which one you trust and which one you won't?

No disagreement there, as I said before our voters are always taken for a ride, but I don't blame them, I see here in the US its not much different, despite having about 60 times per capita nominal GDP.

About RAW infiltration, its not hard to catch, they speak a different language (not language itself, but the ideological drift) and over time the difference becomes obvious even in this forum. In real life it is even more easy to catch. Bangladesh is a densely populated small country everyone knows about everyone, that is one big advantage we have. No one can hide.

Once bitten twice shy. You got to be joking. We are not going to let Indian's and the Bengali's do another 1971 on us. You planted the seed, you nurtured it, you watered it and then you help give birth to it in 1971. Now you get to enjoy it's company. Thanks god we don't even have a border and a safe distance from them !!!

You should not worry about it, as it is only Indian trolls writing such comments. No sane Bangladeshi support merging with Pakistan or India, that is just absurd proposition. Our goal is to merge with ASEAN, by sea for now and by land hopefully, if we can solve our problems with Burma.

And as I recommended in other threads, Pakistan (along with Iran, Afghanistan and Mongolia) should think about merging with Eurasian Union, considering the geography and long term demographic compatibility, although China is the great ally at this moment, and a balancer for the Indian threat.

 

[neutral_person]

Once bitten twice shy. You got to be joking. We are not going to let Indian's and the Bengali's do another 1971 on us. You planted the seed, you nurtured it, you watered it and then you help give birth to it in 1971. Now you get to enjoy it's company. Thanks god we don't even have a border and a safe distance from them !!!

Before joining PDF, I was always sympathetic to most Bangladeshis for 1971 because I had heard that they got killed and raped in millions, and I was glad that India had saved them from this. But after joining PDF and interacting with the Bangladeshis specifically, I must say these guys deserved every bit of what they got from Pakistan in 1971 and India should have not interfered and let these guys suffer. I can totally understand now why Pakistan treated these Bangladeshis the way they were treated.

LOL I am surprised you Pakistanis even put up with these Bangladeshis for 30 years If these guys were a part of India Operation Searchlight would have happened in 1947 September

 

[kalu_miah]

Problem is our independent founding principal was hijacked and had been twisted by certain party to fit the need of neighboring country.

Who is with "bihari" origin here? Come clean with your accusation and proof. Otherwise loose your credibilty as another Awami type label maker who can not prove opposing view wrong.

I have already identified fallstuff, if you have not see that post yet along with others.

RAWami's think that just because they colluded with RAW and picked a fight with West Pakistan and thus was successfully provoked a military crackdown Operation Searchlight, as a reaction to which all Bangladeshi rose up and fought for independence led by people like Zia, Osmani, somehow RAWami's own Bangladesh and its people. It is my regret that their own Khondokar Moshtaq, a founder of Awami League (but not India leaning) could not finish off these elements in 1975, some seeds were left behind so India could bring them back again using the same RAW.

Enemy agents within Bangladesh has to be identified and they should rot in jail for the rest of their life for committing treason.

Before joining PDF, I was always sympathetic to most Bangladeshis for 1971 because I had heard that they got killed and raped in millions, and I was glad that India had saved them from this. But after joining PDF and interacting with the Bangladeshis specifically, I must say these guys deserved every bit of what they got from Pakistan in 1971 and India should have not interfered and let these guys suffer. I can totally understand now why Pakistan treated these Bangladeshis the way they were treated.

LOL I am surprised you Pakistanis even put up with these Bangladeshis for 30 years If these guys were a part of India Operation Searchlight would have happened in 1947 September

Who cares about what you think.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

One needs to have a bit of shame to
question the founding principles of a nation,
when one loses it , the credibility is gone,
what's left are vacant chest thumps which
no one can hear in the real world.

The founding principles of the nation included in the constitution were never approved by the people and the people never fought in 1971 on the basis of those so-called principles. Those principles were imposed on the people without their consent and no referendum was held to legitimize the constitution. On this consideration these principles can be changed without any controversy.

My comment was pretty clear, its about folks with Bihari origin tend to see RAW acts on every whim. I could be wrong on a few cases, but generally I stand by my point. I also do understand that these Bihari folks lost a lot in and following '71. A lot of the Bihari people suffered even when they had no part in helping out Pakistani military.

We seriously need to drop the mind set that we can't do anything because of RAW.

People with self-confidence and convictions get things done, the naysayers/weaklings always have an excuse or two.

This is about what you can or can't do, blaming someone else ain't gonna make a tough work easy.

When one has to resort to name calling and making false assumptions then it simply shows how closed your mind is and the level of brainwashing you have undergone. It is now open about RAW's involvement in Bangladesh so why deny it? Even ex-RAW officials admit it. Dozens of books have been written on the subject. There is now no scope to contradict the assertion that RAW has a overwhelming influence in Bangladesh which is destroying the country. It is not these Biharis we should be worried about. It is the 5th columnists amongst us who are the greatest danger.

 

[fallstuff]

I myself here is not Bihari, I am as Bangali as any one of you are, even more local than people who moved from West Bengal. And I am telling you that RAW has been our biggest problem since 1950's. They have consistently subverted our interest and are still doing it using their RAWami and other agents. Once we remove the RAWami's from power, what we need to do is pass a law in parliament that says:

- anyone who knowingly or unknowingly cooperates with a foreign intelligence agency of any country will be tried for treason
- the punishment for treason will be lifetime imprisonment without any possibility of parole or early release, unlike RAWami Indian agent thugs, I do not believe in killing people for any reason

Unless we cleanse Bangladesh of RAW agents and operations, Bangladesh and its people will not be able to work on their future.

To identify RAW agents we need to create a people's intelligence network that will look for RAW agents as our entire govt. machinery has been infiltrated and compromised using RAWami's.

And anyone who tries to deny RAW influence or try to propagate theories that RAW influence is not harming Bangladesh, have to be looked at with suspicion.

As I said I could be wrong on a few cases, but generally that has been an observation. This is an anonymous forum, there is no way to establish the identity of the members.

Its impossible for me to show my anecdotal experiences of life. I am at ease with my conviction, perhaps you will come around, perhaps not.

There is no reason for you to get defensive, I am not even saying if the Bihari thing is good or bad. That was my observation in that post.

Foreign Intelligence ( like RAW) will always have a presence here in one form or other. They will always find a compromised ho looking for some money and/or adventure.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

As I said I could be wrong on a few cases, but generally that has been an observation. This is an anonymous forum, there is no way to establish the identity of the members.

So basically you have no evidence. I am, of course, an exception to your rule as I use my own name and I am certainly not a Bihari. So through an example of one your theory is discredited.