Rohingya refugess in Ruili,Yunnan

[shuntmaster]

I am not here to give you proof of anything, believe what you want to believe. Thanks for the conversation.

That's because you don't have any and making comments based on your personal world view and not on facts.

 

[Raphael]

I'm glad China is offering them the assistance they're currently getting. They have suffered a lot. Hopefully in the future, they can be reintegrated back into their homeland, Myanmar.

 

[Jlaw]

I'm glad China is offering them the assistance they're currently getting. They have suffered a lot. Hopefully in the future, they can be reintegrated back into their homeland, Myanmar.

You know that's not gonna happen. The Rohingyas will just be a hinder to our development unfortunately.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Thank you for the sentiment, we appreciate Chinese Humanitarian help. But I don't believe this has to be permanent arrangement.

If you look at post #20, the British take over of Bengal in 1757 started the trouble. The British were not attentive to our near abroad concerns, so our Arakan vassal was attacked and taken over by Bamar/Burmans in 1785. The British waited 41 years to take over Arakan after winning the 1st Anglo-Burmese war. Then in 1947, not only did the British gift our territory to India on the West (please look at the maps) in the name of Hindu majority, they also gifted Arakan to Myanmar. That really is the root of the problem. Just like the West did their magic with Ottoman empire, they did the same here in this part of the world as well.

Note the British did not partition off Burma for its minorities, instead Burma was returned intact as a whole to the majority group together will all other minority areas.

The problem today is we are under Indian aggression and subjugation and they make sure we cannot perform well economically. If we can become a part of NATO like military alliance with China with mutual defense pact, only then India will back off and loose their strangle hold on Bangladesh. Also this will help us get fair share of water from the international common rivers that flow in from India.

Bangladesh has a relatively small land for its population, but most of the land is fairly fertile. So if we have a network of mega cities, most of the population can become urban, they can live and work in these low cost manufacturing hubs. The small land size also mean the infrastructure will not cost too much. An ideal future scenario for us would be to become like a bigger version of Singapore, but instead of one big city, we will have a network of them in different parts of the country. With this kind of development, we should easily be able to accommodate a few million more people, whether they are Rohingya or economic migrants who moved elsewhere due to lack of opportunity. So the first condition is that we need to end Indian interference with help of China some time in the future and then after that we are fairly sure that the economy will take off quickly as we have no other major problems or obstacles on the way.

There is a large community of Hui in Yunnan, maybe they can take some Rohingya refugees into their community.

Yeah, i see the conflict was set by the Anglo-Saxon colonists before they left.

They left India and Pakistan, but also did that to Myanmar.

 

[55100864]

It would be extremely difficult for them to integrate into chinese society either, this is not a long term solution, on idea why even the islamic countries like Bangladesh, malaysia, pakistan don't want to accepts the Rohingyas.

 

[Jlaw]

It would be extremely difficult for them to integrate into chinese society either, this is not a long term solution, on idea why even the islamic countries like Bangladesh, malaysia, pakistan don't want to accepts the Rohingyas.

I think according to some posters here, Rohingyas are equivalent to the gypsies of east Europe. Opportunists who do not integrate to society, leech off government money and commit petty crimes.
China should just send them back just like they send back N Korean refugees. We have enough of our people to worry about, we don't need more foreigners.

 

[55100864]

I think according to some posters here, Rohingyas are equivalent to the gypsies of east Europe. Opportunists who do not integrate to society, leech off government money and commit petty crimes.
China should just send them back just like they send back N Korean refugees. We have enough of our people to worry about, we don't need more foreigners.

It's funny those Muslim members here speaks of their so called Ummah all the time regard to the Uighurs( no connection with them what so ever) issue while hunting their Rohingyas brother (genneticly，culturally bonded with them. those hypocrites are nowhere to be found in this thread.

 

[kalu_miah]

It would be extremely difficult for them to integrate into chinese society either, this is not a long term solution, on idea why even the islamic countries like Bangladesh, malaysia, pakistan don't want to accepts the Rohingyas.

I agree. Please follow my posts from #17 or better yet please look at the thread from the start. Already Islamic countries host many of them:
Rohingya people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Total population
1,424,000–2,000,000[1]
Regions with significant populations
Burma (Arakan), Bangladesh, Malaysia,Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Indonesia,India

Burma 800,000 [2][3]

Saudi Arabia 400,000

Bangladesh 300,000 [4]

Pakistan 200,000 [5][6][7]

Thailand 100,000 [8]

Malaysia 35,000 [9]
Languages
Rohingya
Religion
Islam
Related ethnic groups
Bengali people
Burmese Indians"

I think there is some in Indonesia and India as well. I don't know correct figure but unofficial number in Bangladesh is more than a million. I think the correct total number is around 3 million.

Myanmar state policy is to drive them out of Myanmar. Since they are ethnically similar to people of Chittagong and their dialect is similar to Chittagonian local dialect (I know because I have been to Chittagong), they claim that they are illegal Bangladeshi migrants. Its possible that there might be some migration during British rule, but it is also possible that most used to be local indigenous people there, just like Buddhist Tibeto Burman Rakhines in Arakan. Note that Arakan used to have close history with its neighbor Chittagong region. Here is some info about history of Chittagong:
Chittagong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The excavation of Neolithic fossils and tools in Sitakunda, Chittagong District indicate the presence of Stone Age settlements in the region as early as the third millennium BCE.[19] The earliest historical records of the Port of Chittagong date back to the 4th century BC, when sailors from the area embarked on voyages to Southeast Asia. The 2nd century Graeco-Roman geographer Ptolemy mentioned the port on his map as one of the finest harbours in Asia and the eastern frontier of the Indian subcontinent.[20] The 7th century traveling Chinese scholar and poet Xuanzang described it as "a sleeping beauty emerging from mists and water".[21][22]

The region was part of the ancient Bengali Buddhist kingdoms of Harikela and Samatata. According to Tibetan chronicles, the area was the capital of the Buddhist king Govindachandra and the site of a major monastery called Pandit Vihara. Arab and Persian traders arrived in the 8th century, and the region emerged as a major trading centre on the maritime silk route, renowned for its pearls, rice, and textiles.[23] Chittagong also attracted many Sufi missionaries who settled in the region and played an instrumental role in the spread of Islam.[21][17] In 1231, Chittagong was seized by the Deva dynasty under the reign of Damodaradeva.[24]

Sultan Fakhruddin Mubarak Shah of Sonargaon conquered Chittagong in 1340.[25] He constructed a highway from Chittagong to Chandpur and ordered the construction of lavish mosques and tombs.[26]The Moroccan explorer Ibn Battuta visited the city in 1443 and sailed from the port to Canton inChina.[27] The Italian merchant Niccolò de' Conti visited the city around the same time as Battuta.[28]In the mid-15th century, the Chinese Treasure Fleet of Admiral Zheng He anchored in the port during numerous imperial missions to the Sultanate of Bengal.[29] The Ottoman Empire utilized the shipyards of Chittagong to build its naval forces.[30] After the defeat of Mahmud Shah at the hands of Sher Shah in 1538, the Arakanese Kingdom of Mrauk U conquered Chittagong. The Portuguese established merchant communities on the banks of the Karnaphuli in 1528. In collusion with Magh pirates and the Arakanese, Portuguese traders dominated the area for more than a century.[31][32] The Mughal commander Shayestha Khan and his son Buzurg Umed Khan expelled the Arakanese from the area in 1666 and established Mughal rule there. After the Arakanese expulsion, Islamabad, as the area came to be known, economically progressed. This can mainly be attributed to an efficient system of land-grants to selected diwans or faujdars to clear massive areas of hinterland and start cultivation. The Mughals, similar to the Afghans who came earlier, also built mosques having a rich contribution to the architecture in the area. What is called Chittagong today also began to have improved connections with the rest of Mughal Bengal.[7][28][31][32][33][34][35][36][37]"

Whatever the real story is about the origin of Rohingya people, since Myanmar Buddhist people are dead set against integrating this population, I support the following idea:
- Bangladesh and perhaps some other Muslim countries reach a deal with Myanmar to take them in after talks sponsored by China, OIC and ASEAN
- there should be some financial compensation to repatriate them and create jobs for them in the countries who take them in, the great majority or bulk should be taken in by Bangladesh
- Myanmar must provide road and rail link transit from Bangladesh to China, Laos and Thailand
- Myanmar should provide support and no objection if Bangladesh wants to become a member of ASEAN in the future

Also please look at Myanmar members comment here:
BANGLADESH-MYANMAR TIES Strengthening connectivity is of strategic imperative

Rohingya is the only major issue between Bangladesh and Myanmar. We need Chinese, ASEAN and OIC help and participation to resolve this issue once and for all. This will mean that Rohingya refugee's from China and other places will also have a place to go. If we can solve this problem for Myanmar, then Myanmar may come back from West's embrace back to China and allow China to build roads and railways to reach Bangladesh and Sonadia deep sea port in Bangladesh. This may also allow China to build a naval base near Sonadia:
Dhaka, Beijing to seal the deal on deep-sea port
Sonadia deep-sea port on board
Adding a pearl: China looks for a naval base in Bangladesh

Note this Awami League current govt. led by Hasina is an Indian puppet and true to form going back on promises made to China and giving Sonadia project to India to improve relations with Modi (Hasina used to be closer to Congress and spent $20 million in last election to help Congress, Modi's rival):
Indian Adani Group (Gujarat based, has ties with Modi) eyes Sonadia deep sea port

We Bangladeshi's are waiting for Chinese intervention, but India is scoring goal in empty field and creating facts on the ground, which is against both Chinese and Bangladesh national interest.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

It would be extremely difficult for them to integrate into chinese society either, this is not a long term solution, on idea why even the islamic countries like Bangladesh, malaysia, pakistan don't want to accepts the Rohingyas.

No, but there's a crap ton of Muslim aid agency operating in Rakhine. Not to mention that if any Rohingya were to be expelled from the country the Myanmar government can & will restrict them from ever coming home.

 

[kalu_miah]

I think according to some posters here, Rohingyas are equivalent to the gypsies of east Europe. Opportunists who do not integrate to society, leech off government money and commit petty crimes.
China should just send them back just like they send back N Korean refugees. We have enough of our people to worry about, we don't need more foreigners.

Rohingya's are not gypsies, I have given enough historical background in this thread, please look at the material closely before making judgement. They are being killed and expelled from their own land because they are ethnic and religious minority.

 

[Jlaw]

Rohingya's are not gypsies, I have given enough historical background in this thread, please look at the material closely before making judgement. They are being killed and expelled from their own land because they are ethnic and religious minority.

They are considered trouble makers by the majority. The 2012 Rakhine State riots are a series of ongoing conflicts between Rohingya Muslims and ethnic Rakhine in northern Rakhine State, Myanmar. The riots came after weeks of sectarian disputes and have been condemned by most people on both sides of the conflict.
Recently, the Rohingya are fighting Buddhists.

It appears they are unable to integrate.

 

[sahaliyan]

Thank you for the sentiment, we appreciate Chinese Humanitarian help. But I don't believe this has to be permanent arrangement.

If you look at post #20, the British take over of Bengal in 1757 started the trouble. The British were not attentive to our near abroad concerns, so our Arakan vassal was attacked and taken over by Bamar/Burmans in 1785. The British waited 41 years to take over Arakan after winning the 1st Anglo-Burmese war. Then in 1947, not only did the British gift our territory to India on the West (please look at the maps) in the name of Hindu majority, they also gifted Arakan to Myanmar. That really is the root of the problem. Just like the West did their magic with Ottoman empire, they did the same here in this part of the world as well.

Note the British did not partition off Burma for its minorities, instead Burma was returned intact as a whole to the majority group together will all other minority areas.

The problem today is we are under Indian aggression and subjugation and they make sure we cannot perform well economically. If we can become a part of NATO like military alliance with China with mutual defense pact, only then India will back off and loose their strangle hold on Bangladesh. Also this will help us get fair share of water from the international common rivers that flow in from India.

Bangladesh has a relatively small land for its population, but most of the land is fairly fertile. So if we have a network of mega cities, most of the population can become urban, they can live and work in these low cost manufacturing hubs. The small land size also mean the infrastructure will not cost too much. An ideal future scenario for us would be to become like a bigger version of Singapore, but instead of one big city, we will have a network of them in different parts of the country. With this kind of development, we should easily be able to accommodate a few million more people, whether they are Rohingya or economic migrants who moved elsewhere due to lack of opportunity. So the first condition is that we need to end Indian interference with help of China some time in the future and then after that we are fairly sure that the economy will take off quickly as we have no other major problems or obstacles on the way.

The reason British did not partition off Burma for its minorities is very simple,Burma was always ruled by Burmese kings,unlike India was ruled by muslims longer than one thousand years,so why should the muslims ruled Hindustan so long time ruled by Hindus,surely it's not make sense.And because countries like China and Burma never ruled by muslims,so in reality,we are different to Indians in the opinion to the muslims,to us,religion is not a big deal here,and we don't fear Islam(I think many Hindus may see Islam as threat to India),even in the case of Burma,I think the issue is more like a ethnic one,not the religious one,we know it very well the Burmese dislike the Hindu immigrants in Burma neither

 

[kalu_miah]

They are considered trouble makers by the majority. The 2012 Rakhine State riots are a series of ongoing conflicts between Rohingya Muslims and ethnic Rakhine in northern Rakhine State, Myanmar. The riots came after weeks of sectarian disputes and have been condemned by most people on both sides of the conflict.
Recently, the Rohingya are fighting Buddhists.

It appears they are unable to integrate.

You are speaking from limited information. As far as I know there was no plan for integrating them, the plan always has been by the Buddhist majority to declare them as illegal migrants from Bangladesh and kick them out. And they are being kicked out for many decades. Its not difficult to instigate riots among illiterate population and blame the victims for the cause.

The reason British did not partition off Burma for its minorities is very simple,Burma was always ruled by Burmese kings,unlike India was ruled by muslims longer than one thousand years,so why should the muslims ruled Hindustan so long time ruled by Hindus,surely it's not make sense.And because countries like China and Burma never ruled by muslims,so in reality,we are different to Indians in the opinion to the muslims,to us,religion is not a big deal here,and we don't fear Islam(I think many Hindus may see Islam as threat to India),even in the case of Burma,I think the issue is more like a ethnic one,not the religious one,we know it very well the Burmese dislike the Hindu immigrants in Burma neither

This is one of the most important point between China and Muslim nations, China was never ruled by Muslims, so you have no reason to fear Islam/Muslims for historical reasons. The same is not true for parts of West, Russia and India.

You are correct about Rohingya issue, initially it was an ethnic issue, but later Indian intelligence and Zionists have intervened and turned this into a Muslim-Buddhist religious issue. Now no Muslims are safe in Myanmar, non-Rohingya Muslims such as those that migrated from Yunan are also regularly killed in riots by Buddhists every few months.

 

[Aepsilons]

Rohingya's are not gypsies, I have given enough historical background in this thread, please look at the material closely before making judgement. They are being killed and expelled from their own land because they are ethnic and religious minority.

Correct. What the Burmese military are doing is the same as what the Serbians were doing to the muslims in Kosovo, and the ethnic Albanians.

This should be CONDEMNED!

You are speaking from limited information. As far as I know there was no plan for integrating them, the plan always has been by the Buddhist majority to declare them as illegal migrants from Bangladesh and kick them out. And they are being kicked out for many decades. Its not difficult to instigate riots among illiterate population and blame the victims for the cause.



This is one of the most important point between China and Muslim nations, China was never ruled by Muslims, so you have no reason to fear Islam/Muslims for historical reasons. The same is not true for parts of West, Russia and India.

You are correct about Rohingya issue, initially it was an ethnic issue, but later Indian intelligence and Zionists have intervened and turned this into a Muslim-Buddhist religious issue. Now no Muslims are safe in Myanmar, non-Rohingya Muslims such as those that migrated from Yunan are also regularly killed in riots by Buddhists every few months.

I wish Japan can open doors to them as refugees into the country.

Many of these are young children and minors who have nothing to do with terrorism and they are just being systematically killed based on their physical phenotype and religious upbringing. Young refugees can be easily integrated into the receiving / host nation.

 

[sahaliyan]

To tell the truth I don't know for sure. From 1975 onward during BNP rule we had fairly close relationship with China. Awami League and Ershad's military rule is associated with closeness to India:
Bangladesh–China relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Currently Awami League led by Hasina has been in power Since 2009 and just legitimized her rule for next 5 years in a sham election in January under gun point with direct Indian help. The opposition boycotted the election and tried to protest, but thousands were killed and even today they are being hounded and killed and most disappear without trace. A common method of disappearance is to tie cement block with corpse and dump them in nearby lake or river, which is plentiful in Bangladesh. Bangladesh is today a large open air prison like Gaza.

One of the top ten businessman (the richest people in the country) made a comment to his relative (a friend of mine) that Bangladesh is today 100% run by RAW (Indian Intelligence). They protect Hasina and ensure any threat is eliminated. You should also take a look at these posts to see how we got to this situation:
Agartala Conspiracy confession, what does it mean for our history | Page 28
The man who broke Pakistan and created Bangladesh: Serazul Alam Khan | Page 14

There are only two other people in this forum who you can get reliable inside story about what is going on in Bangladesh and what our majority people want for their future @M_Saint and @idune . I would request these two posters to tell you whether and how much Bangladesh would like a full military alliance with China and kick out Indian agents from our soil.

Then I find your politicians are not smart like the Pakistani elites,nearly all the political parties of Pakistan are pro-China.You can see,the Sino-Pak friendship was started by Ali Bhutto,then Zia ul-Haq overthrowed him,Zia didn't say,Oh this friendship was started by Bhutto,let us change it.No,he deeper the friendship.And When PPP in power again,BB didn't say,oh,the Chinese support the junta and dictator,let's end the friendship,no,she is pro-China too.Just like both Musharaff and Nawaz Sharif are pro-China.You can blame the pakistani elites for corruption and many bad things,but they still care their national interests in some extent