Revise ‘no-first-use’ n-policy: Jaswant

[Tshering22]

And just coz Jaswant singh says so it need not happen.

Relax, it was just a suggestion. Why getting angry at him?

i guess a two front war would be hard to defend.

1)in case in india china war india can defend china.if pakistan tries to grab this opportunity to attack us america will be enough to keep pakistan at home.

Eh? What have you been smoking mate? It seems really strong. Why on earth do you think US would do ANYTHING militarily on behalf of us in case of a conflict like situation? Some fellow Indians so over fantasize US, and that too when their closest and staunches allies of decades are expressing concerns about their will to help them out in case of a military situation at all or not.

2)in indo pak war and what if china take a chance ?
there is a limit to american pressure to china and american may not risk an attack on china because they will also get hurt.
what you say ?

That was the whole point of a nuclear deterrence in first place. What is your point here then?

 

[Kinetic]

but a nuclear strike will result in nuclear war ie- pakistan will also attack with its nuclear weapons so there is no difference in firing nukes first or second

None of the nuclear weapons bases is far away from India. India will destroy most of the nukes after the war starts. Precision strike long range high speed air to ground weapons are there. After that ABM.

 

[third eye]

Relax, it was just a suggestion. Why getting angry at him?

Not getting angry at him at all.

He is among the few Armoured Corps officers who has done well at the national stage. A man of sound judgment & integrity who has done the nation well.

 

[deckingraj]

the eyebrows i was referring to has nothing to do with enemy. Offensive doctorine don't go well with India's overall foreign policy and country as a whole. I completely understand the emotions however if you believe that there will not be any attacks in case we change our nuclear doctorine than i am afraid you are wrong. Only thing that is possible in the sub-continent is a limited war under clouds o nuclear umbrella but even that has potential to go nuclear.

anyhow please highlight some benefits that we will get by changing the policy. I will try my best to convince you that there are none.

 

[deckingraj]

i guess a two front war would be hard to defend.

Very true. However that is where we need to go...It is a real threat in our scenario and we cannot depend on nukes from the word go. Nukes means suicide and you want to be sure that you are going to die before taking the enemy down with you. What if China and Pak gets a large/small chunk of land and stop the offensive??? In other words what point you will use nukes???? IN short you need to be able to defend your territory and first use is not going to help there...

1)in case in india china war india can defend china.if pakistan tries to grab this opportunity to attack us america will be enough to keep pakistan at home.

This is wishful thinking....If you want to be sovereign than you got to solve your problems on your own

2)in indo pak war and what if china take a chance ?

there is a limit to american pressure to china and american may not risk an attack on china because they will also get hurt.
what you say ?

As said we need to increase our own capability. We should not depend on anybody to bail us out

 

[third eye]

the eyebrows i was referring to has nothing to do with enemy. Offensive doctorine don't go well with India's overall foreign policy and country as a whole. I completely understand the emotions however if you believe that there will not be any attacks in case we change our nuclear doctorine than i am afraid you are wrong. Only thing that is possible in the sub-continent is a limited war under clouds o nuclear umbrella but even that has potential to go nuclear.

anyhow please highlight some benefits that we will get by changing the policy. I will try my best to convince you that there are none.

There is no need to change the policy as I feel it does not impinge on the need to use it 1st should the situation so warrant - do not want to go into how it can be circumvented.

However pacifism has become our national character and must change . Besides Ashoka & Ranjit Singh no other Indian ruler crossed boundaries of the sub continent in anger.This has led to a sense of complacency which led to the debacle in 62. luckily things changed nine years later.

 

[rissriva]

"Never taught hatred against China and Pakistan" ??? You must have been living under a rock in the past. Indian media is the place where Indians learn to hate China and Pakistan. Everyday Indian Media bash China and Pakistan.

Who cares media here,, they are in TRP business.
As per as the teaching of hatred in class room are concerned to the growing minds in school, its not done in India nor in China. But I do know that the hatred against India was implanted in young pakistani minds in school via school curicullum in Zia Ul Haq rule. Will u deny that.

Neway... keep hating us and that do not bother us either. China is India's friend and believe me the strong economic relation between India and China thats emerging and creting millions of job in both sides, will bring India and China together... and thats is all what all basic people need, peace with prosperity.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Very true. However that is where we need to go...It is a real threat in our scenario and we cannot depend on nukes from the word go. Nukes means suicide and you want to be sure that you are going to die before taking the enemy down with you. What if China and Pak gets a large/small chunk of land and stop the offensive??? In other words what point you will use nukes???? IN short you need to be able to defend your territory and first use is not going to help there...


This is wishful thinking....If you want to be sovereign than you got to solve your problems on your own



there is a limit to american pressure to china and american may not risk an attack on china because they will also get hurt.
what you say ?

As said we need to increase our own capability. We should not depend on anybody to bail us out

i am no way telling to dependent on anybody blindly that's why i suggested first use policy if china enters into a indo pak war.that will be enough for china to think twice before each step towards newdelhi.if no first use policy what is there for them to think as they already have a conventional superiority and add to that india is fighting pakistan also..it's a win win situation for china and pakistan.
so i am saying change the nuk policy and modernize and spend on our two front conventional war capability as if there still is a " No first use policy".

 

[Icarus]

Quite a naive PoV for such an experienced politician. He should know that nukes are only strategic deterrents and their use in a real life armed conflict is next to nil because under any conditions, whether we nuke India or India nukes us, the subsequent return of missiles will not only result in Nuclear Holocaust but will also render the subcontinent along with much of the other lands that the cloud of nuclear dust travels to useless for inhabitation. Our think tanks know that, so do our respective armed forces.

 

[Spring Onion]

the eyebrows i was referring to has nothing to do with enemy. Offensive doctorine don't go well with India's overall foreign policy and country as a whole. I completely understand the emotions however if you believe that there will not be any attacks in case we change our nuclear doctorine than i am afraid you are wrong. Only thing that is possible in the sub-continent is a limited war under clouds o nuclear umbrella but even that has potential to go nuclear.

anyhow please highlight some benefits that we will get by changing the policy. I will try my best to convince you that there are none.

Sir the verbal rehtoric of "no first use policy is just a face saving as its not necessary that India wont use it.

on the other hand Jaswant's rehtoric about changing the policy is only going to grab his party some noisy praises

 

[sanibhagwan]

There is only one country that fits that description.

The country which supplies weapons to Taiwan and has its fleet of warships close to south china sea. I could assure you its not India.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The country which supplies weapons to Taiwan and has its fleet of warships close to south china sea. I could assure you its not India.

What, you think we're going to have a war with our biggest customer?

China and the USA have the world's biggest bilateral economic relationship. On the other hand, the economic relationship between China and India is small.

Chinese people don't want a repeat of the Chinese civil war, i.e. Chinese killing Chinese. So there isn't much to worry about over Taiwan, we can wait five hundred years for a peaceful resolution.

 

[misterme2]

If given a choice that only one would survive..be it me or my enemy..I rather, it would be me.
If both the enemies declare a first use policy..then it will just be a race..to who will use the weapons first..nuclear threashold will reached much earlier.

Example...Pakistan has a first use policy..all it preparations are made with that in mind..that it will be the first one to use nuclear weapons.
It believes that it will cause significant damage to India in first strike, even though will be wiped in India's second strike.

What if we can lower the damage to India by striking first..but we don't need to declare this policy ..as it will have the alarm bells ringing in enemy camp and they will prepare for such an eventuality(maybe deploy its weapons at sea).

This is the surprise and deception, I am talking about.

I agree with your point...We need more folks like you

 

[Abhishek_]

India should keep the current nuclear policy for now. It can always be changed if situation calls for it.
Right now is not the time.

 

[sanibhagwan]

"Never taught hatred against China and Pakistan" ??? You must have been living under a rock in the past. Indian media is the place where Indians learn to hate China and Pakistan. Everyday Indian Media bash China and Pakistan.

Everyday, it seems you are a big fan of Indian media. Do you follow it diligently every day?. Please update me about the hate (china and pakistan) news you listened today.