Revise ‘no-first-use’ n-policy: Jaswant

[ares]

sorry dont agree with u r post.

surprise and deception works very well in context of conventional warfare however it is terrible to bring these elements in nuclear issues. that is why there is so much emphasis on confidence building measures between two rivals. u dont want a rival to live in a state of deception with regard to u r operational nuclear policy. hence, it is always better to spell out nuclear doctrine well in advance so that u r rivals know "wat is u r limit of tolerance wen attacked". if u keep it ambigouous it can result in nuclear war.

india should revise its policy from no first use to no first use against non nuclear state. the latter is also followed by chinese and is considered far more agressive posture then former.

If given a choice that only one would survive..be it me or my enemy..I rather, it would be me.
If both the enemies declare a first use policy..then it will just be a race..to who will use the weapons first..nuclear threashold will reached much earlier.

Example...Pakistan has a first use policy..all it preparations are made with that in mind..that it will be the first one to use nuclear weapons.
It believes that it will cause significant damage to India in first strike, even though will be wiped in India's second strike.

What if we can lower the damage to India by striking first..but we don't need to declare this policy ..as it will have the alarm bells ringing in enemy camp and they will prepare for such an eventuality(maybe deploy its weapons at sea).

This is the surprise and deception, I am talking about.

 

[harsh1488]

If given a choice that only one would survive..be it me or my enemy..I rather, it would be me.
If both the enemies declare a first use policy..then it will just be a race..to who will use the weapons first..nuclear threashold will reached much earlier.

Example...Pakistan has a first use policy..all it preparations are made with that in mind..that it will be the first one to use nuclear weapons.
It believes that it will cause significant damage to India in first strike, even though will be wiped in India's second strike.

What if we can lower the damage to India by striking first..but we don't need to declare this policy ..as it will have the alarm bells ringing in enemy camp and they will prepare for such an eventuality(maybe deploy its weapons at sea).

This is the surprise and deception, I am talking about.

pakistan wouldnt use nukes for surprise attack it will be used only if pakistan looses a full scale war so india can prepare its nukes for attack quickly,even if we use nukes before pakistan there will be retaliation from pakistan so it dosent matter if it is first use or no first use

 

[ares]

pakistan wouldnt use nukes for surprise attack it will be used only if pakistan looses a full scale war so india can prepare its nukes for attack quickly,even if we use nukes before pakistan there will be retaliation from pakistan so it dosent matter if it is first use or no first use

Who said it will use for surprise attack..but the question is once it decides to use them ..will we sit around and watch as it lobs nukes and react only after it has..or be proactive and try taking out its nuclear weapons(can be taken out, as they are all land based) before it uses them..even if it means preemptive nuclear strikes.

 

[harsh1488]

Who said it will use for surprise attack..but the question is once it decides to use them ..will we sit around and watch as it lobs nukes and react only after it has..or be proactive and try taking out its nuclear weapons(can be taken out, as they are all land based) before it uses them..even if it means preemptive nuclear strikes.

but a nuclear strike will result in nuclear war ie- pakistan will also attack with its nuclear weapons so there is no difference in firing nukes first or second

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

^^^ thats the whole philosophy of nuclear doctrine. with regards to pakistan, it will use nuclear weapons if its very existence is at stake or if it is about to lose a large chunk of land. if we r in winning osition we wont use nuclear weapons at the first instance. if they atrike first and hit our country, our response will certainly wipe out pakistan. nuclear weapons are always used as "offensive defence" and not "attacking" options.

with regards to china, in my opinion we wont engage china for quite some time. we will continue to down play incurrsions and continue to build up our military to match them.

so no first use against non nuclear state is more applicable to china.

 

[ares]

but a nuclear strike will result in nuclear war ie- pakistan will also attack with its nuclear weapons so there is no difference in firing nukes first or second

Difference would be a few million lives would be saved on Indian side..if we are able to take out most of its weapons is first strike..that is so many weapons which won't fall on India.

 

[harsh1488]

Difference would be a few million lives would be saved on Indian side..if we are able to take out most of its weapons is first strike..that is so many weapons which won't fall on India.

no it wouldnt help only counter can be ABM and even after that there will be nuclear fallout over the entire region which will make this region a hell on earth

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

'No first use' nuke policy to continue: Krishna

New Delhi: The Government on Wednesday rejected Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Jaswant Singh's suggestion for a revisit of the 'no first use' policy for nuclear weapons, saying the existing doctrine, announced by the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) regime, will continue.
"Our policy (no first use) remains as it exists. Government is committed to safeguarding India's security interests in consonance with our declared (nuclear) doctrine," External Affairs Minister SM Krishna told the Lok Sabha.
Replying to a debate on the demands for grants for his ministry, Krishna said the country would maintain a minimum nuclear deterrence.

Initiating the debate Tuesday, Jaswant Singh, the foreign minister in the BJP-led NDA government, called for a review of the 'no first use' nuclear weapons doctrine declared after India's 1998 nuclear tests.
Earlier on Wednesday, National Security Advisor Shiv Shankar Menon said he will contact Jaswant Singh to discuss the issue.
"We will ask him what is the alternative and take it from there," Menon told reporters at the Indian Women's Press Corps in New Delhi.
India has a policy of no-first use primarily against non-nuclear weapon states.
At the same time, India retains the option of using nuclear weapons in case of a major attack by biological and chemical weapons. These had been enshrined in the official nuclear doctrine released in January 2003.

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Comment on News:-

from mickeymilind at 17:46, Mar 16, 2011
With the Quality of decision makers we have be it the portly Neta and the Know it all paper pushing BABU....It is unlikely that we will ever launch a NUCLEAR STRIKE within a week of being NUKED....JAI HO THE COMMAND STRUCTURE HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED NOR PRACTICED IN EARNEST EXCEPT FOR GULPING TEA AND EATING SAMOSAS.

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What else can we expect from this Phatu/Corrupt Congress




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[KS]

'No first use' nuke policy to continue: Krishna​

New Delhi: The Government on Wednesday rejected Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader Jaswant Singh's suggestion for a revisit of the 'no first use' policy for nuclear weapons, saying the existing doctrine, announced by the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) regime, will continue.

"Our policy (no first use) remains as it exists. Government is committed to safeguarding India's security interests in consonance with our declared (nuclear) doctrine," External Affairs Minister SM Krishna told the Lok Sabha.

Replying to a debate on the demands for grants for his ministry, Krishna said the country would maintain a minimum nuclear deterrence.

Initiating the debate Tuesday, Jaswant Singh, the foreign minister in the BJP-led NDA government, called for a review of the 'no first use' nuclear weapons doctrine declared after India's 1998 nuclear tests.

Earlier on Wednesday, National Security Advisor Shiv Shankar Menon said he will contact Jaswant Singh to discuss the issue.

"We will ask him (Jaswant Singh) what is the alternative and take it from there," Menon told reporters at the Indian Women's Press Corps in New Delhi.

India has a policy of no-first use primarily against non-nuclear weapon states.

At the same time, India retains the option of using nuclear weapons in case of a major attack by biological and chemical weapons. These had been enshrined in the official nuclear doctrine released in January 2003.

 

[baker]

Keep the No first Use policy --> we can keep our good boy image
increase our ABM capability ---> enemy will think twice before launching their nuclear weapon
increase our second strike capability --> enemy wont even think about nuclear strike in our country

Peace

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

No need for this provocative move at this point when we have most things going in our favour at the world stage.

 

[Nirvana]

No Need To Revise ' No first use ' policy at the moment - we have everything going our way right now.

 

[rissriva]

China's threat comes from countries that are anti-China.....how many countries are anti-China and possess nukes in Asia ???

People in India are never taught hatred against China or even Pakistan... Unlike your country where its a part of curriculum.
India is not anti - China... and we also believe that China is no more anti- India.
A recent quote from Zintao's speech:
"There is enough space for China and India to exist and grow together "

 

[misterme2]

Keep the No first Use policy --> we can keep our good boy image
increase our ABM capability ---> enemy will think twice before launching their nuclear weapon
increase our second strike capability --> enemy wont even think about nuclear strike in our country

Peace

They wont keep twice....they'll look at asymmetrical ways of taking out ABM. Perhaps overwhelming cyber security attack on all computers? Also, good or bad boy image.. don't mean nothing....

 

[misterme2]

No Need To Revise ' No first use ' policy at the moment - we have everything going our way right now.

Time is a critical factor when the situation does change, there is not enough time to implement the change. It is not simple as writing town a change in policy.....the military has to then plan on the course of action it would take to ensure it has such capability and work out scenario operations.