Reuters: India destroys bunkers at Chumar to end border stand-off

[Spring Onion]

I am just eagerly waiting for the modernization of the Indian Armed Forces to get completed!!BTW since I have joined this forum it has appeared to me on several occasions that the Pakistanis are more concerned about the fallout of a war or skirmish between India and China. . . Even the Chinese would not rejoice as much as the Pakistanis if they beat the Indians in a minor skirmish neither would they cry as much as the Pakistanis if the Indians have the upper hand given any situation arises.Pakistan over the years have developed a tendency of depending on other nations with whom they have nothing to do whatsoever other than minor strategic ties and tend to derive a strange pleasure from the fact that "that" other country is doing well compared to India and start whining if it is the other way round.

1. Indians are the war monkeys NOT us. If you look around these were Indians and ONLY Indians who cried war every time and your warmongering Media NOT us.

2. Even your Indian military was advocating war not us.

3. We support China andcheerish Chinese progress thats NOT a secret that does NOT mean that Indians should blabber about it after all India supports all our enemies whereas we support our ally.

4. We have seen that Indians rejoice and jump like monkeys over recent Pak-Afghan border clashes and Indians take more pleasure in war between the two.

So dont act like a navie and stop playing rondu card everytime.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

It is not blackmail, but self interest.

China did the worst thing. These type of actions can easily led to wars. And war between India and China would have created havoc in whole of Asia and the world. Remember half the world population resides in both China and India.

but according to the @joe..... India is not in a position to go war with china.... while is fully prepared..

We never crossed the LAC. We were in disputed territory the entire time, contrary to the Indian government claim that DBO was not within the disputed region, but rather within pure Indian territory.

And apparently, the Indian government secretly agrees, that DBO was in the disputed region.

Otherwise they would never have agreed to withdraw from it.

 

[Abhishek_]

Since it was these bunkers that were the root cause of the entire incident, it seems the issue is really over.

i wouldn't be too surprised if such issues happen again. you guys are taking the GOI platitudes too seriously.

 

[danger007]

1. Indians are the war monkeys NOT us. If you look around these were Indians and ONLY Indians who cried war every time and your warmongering Media NOT us.

2. Even your Indian military was advocating war not us.

3. We support China andcheerish Chinese progress thats NOT a secret that does NOT mean that Indians should blabber about it after all India supports all our enemies whereas we support our ally.

4. We have seen that Indians rejoice and jump like monkeys over recent Pak-Afghan border clashes and Indians take more pleasure in war between the two.

So dont act like a navie and stop playing rondu card everytime.

show me which Indian posted warmongering post? we know who is lap dog... once in USA lap now in china lap..... persons is different but place and position is same.... i will post how many monkeys posted warmongering posts....

who started all wars with India... who is the reason for kargil.... who is the monkey here...

 

[Jade]

but according to the @joe..... India is not in a position to go war with china.... while is fully prepared..

These things can easily escalate into a war. After all it the question ones sovereignty.

 

[Abhishek_]

We never crossed the LAC. We were in disputed territory the entire time, contrary to the Indian government claim that DBO was not within the disputed region, but rather within pure Indian territory.

And apparently, the Indian government secretly agrees, that DBO was in the disputed region.

Otherwise they would never have agreed to withdraw from it.

both sides used the term "territory", the chinese spokeswoman maintained chinese troops were in chinese territory, not "disputed territory".
when referring to senkakus, do you call them disputed territory or chinese territory?

 

[danger007]

We never crossed the LAC. We were in disputed territory the entire time, contrary to the Indian government claim that DBO was not within the disputed region, but rather within pure Indian territory.

And apparently, the Indian government secretly agrees, that DBO was in the disputed region.

Otherwise they would never have agreed to withdraw from it.

how you define both are different.... DBO is inside the Line of Actual control of India..... lot of portion come into disputed territory on both sides...

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

both sides used the term "territory", the chinese spokeswoman maintained chinese troops were in chinese territory, not "disputed territory".
when referring to senkakus, do you call them disputed territory or chinese territory?

Diaoyutai evokes a much more nationalistic tone.

In any case, being Chinese territory and being a disputed region are not mutually exclusive. In these specific cases they are in fact the same, they are both our territory and a disputed region.

 

[Abhishek_]

Diaoyutai evokes a much more nationalistic tone.

In any case, being Chinese territory and being a disputed region are not mutually exclusive. In these specific cases they are in fact the same, both our territory and disputed.

i hope that clarifies the indian use of the term as well

 

[danger007]

These things can easily escalate into a war. After all it the question ones sovereignty.

I am aware of such situation.... even last night i met IB officer last night In Guntur( i went to prayer in his home), he is my Bro in law friend in New Delhi but he is from Andhra actually... he briefed me some points.....

 

[DARIUS]

show me which Indian posted warmongering post? we know who is lap dog... once in USA lap now in china lap..... persons is different but place and position is same.... i will post how many monkeys posted warmongering posts....

who started all wars with India... who is the reason for kargil.... who is the monkey here...

Until and unless the Pakistanis get self reliance this mentality of theirs is going to continue.They do not even consider the fact that right after a Chinese Premier gets elected to office he makes sure that he visits India.Trade between our two countries is all set to reach $100 bl and moreover if the border issue with the Chinese gets resolved peacefully given the Chinese are willing to resolve it I do not even think that the Chinese are going to attach much importance to Pakistan since in that case the derivative value of Pakistan would cease to exist since there would be no need to build pressure on India anymore for any reason.The only value that Pakistan seems to have to the Chinese is that of a gateway to the oil rich areas of Central Asia!!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

i hope that clarifies the indian use of the term as well

I was referring specifically to this map, posted from the Indian side:

Attempting to portray DBO as being completely outside the disputed region. When in fact the LAC is not defined.

 

[Abhishek_]

^remind me when this was officially published by GOI.

It's hard to say what is disputed when the chinese side consistently denies exchanging territorial maps. any and all points can be termed disputed.

 

[ShahidT]

I was referring specifically to this map, posted from the Indian side:

Attempting to portray DBO as being completely outside the disputed region. When in fact the LAC is not defined.

I don't understand, perhaps you need to open eyes more widely. Where does this map show DBO as being disputed between you and India? Chinese westernmost perception of LAC is still to the East of both the DBO site and landing strip. I think you mean Raki Nala, which could possibly fall within outer edge of DBO sector. Such semantics usually don't matter but since you're claiming a whole 'region' as disputed, does that mean China claims the whole of Ladakh like Indians claim entire Aksai Chin (which according to world maps is 'disputed')?

On a different note, you mentioned the people couldn't care less about border issues on this side of the country, and are more embroiled with the East Asia/Pacific region. Well, do common people (not ultra nationalists like pdf chinese) ever wonder what their fellow Han Chinese soldiers are doing so far away from home, in the cold of Himalayas just to protest a tin shed being built by India on this border- thousands of miles from where they reside and find their threat perceptions to be real? Or is there a passive pride, happy to see frontiers being pushed as far as possible beyond the great wall?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I don't understand, perhaps you need to open eyes more widely. Where does this map show DBO as being disputed between you and India? Chinese westernmost perception of LAC is still to the East of both the DBO site and landing strip. I think you mean Raki Nala, which could possibly fall within outer edge of DBO sector. Such semantics usually don't matter but since you're claiming a whole 'region' as disputed, does that mean China claims the whole of Ladakh like Indians claim entire Aksai Chin (which according to world maps is 'disputed')?

On a different note, you mentioned the people couldn't care less about border issues on this side of the country, and are more embroiled with the East Asia/Pacific region. Well, do common people (not ultra nationalists like pdf chinese) ever wonder what their fellow Han Chinese soldiers are doing so far away from home, in the cold of Himalayas just to protest a tin shed being built by India on this border- thousands of miles from where they reside and find their threat perceptions to be real? Or is there a passive pride, happy to see frontiers being pushed as far as possible beyond the great wall?

Read my post again to get your answer.

I'll quote it again in case you missed it.

I was referring specifically to this map, posted from the Indian side:

Attempting to portray DBO as being completely outside the disputed region. When in fact the LAC is not defined.

You don't know anything about the Chinese LAC because we have not released it, your Indian maps are just guessing games.

We were at the DBO, and we did not cross our perception of the LAC. So the DBO is within the disputed region, and India agrees since they also withdrew their troops from there.