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Retired Army Colonel, Lawrence B. Wilkerson, former chief of staff to United States Tells reasons of US presence in Afghanistan

1. The point is even to fulfill whatever this retired general is speaking America needs a stable afghanistan or atleast stable for NATO and US troops. They cant archive this objective if most of their power is diverted towards saving their asses from taliban. Which will be further supported by regional players including china to hunt US troops down and keep them engaging as hard and as long as they can.
2. Pakistan has already taken care of this by supporting the IEA. US from dominating control over AFG is now trying to save its forces. So their plan is not going so great.
 
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That is only prudent. Please note the conditions that would make such intervention necessary - instability and collapse. Of course Pakistan will never get to that point, right?
WHAT IF one the main reason behind the invasion of afghanistan by USA (Universal Satanic Authority) to deliberately create the instability through all means of state terrorism, proxies, (India, TTP, BLA even our own politician, army elite, the list goes on & on ) and after soften-up pakistan's security apparatus making the excuse of their own orchestrated instability in pakistan and then attack directly to capture Pak nukes ???
But it is just another conspiracy theory. right ?
 
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As long as Pakistan remains stable, it is all good, and there is obviously no need for any such actions.

Seriously dude, please update your 'Interpretation Software' since it seems to be some older crap.py version from a few decades ago. Thank you.
 
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That is not what he said. He labeled it as the most unstable nuclear stockpile in the world, and the need to stabilize it, if necessary.

That is only prudent. Please note the conditions that would make such intervention necessary - instability and collapse.

I'm sorry but that's pretty delusional.

This crackpot colonel alludes to truths mixed in with illusions of grandeur that reads like a script out of a Hollywood movie.

If the US was even remotely confident in their capabilities to do something like this they'd have prevented Pakistan from acquiring nuclear technology or secured our nuclear arsenal long ago when it was much smaller and the most opportune time was '01 just after the nuclear tests took place.

If you're going to try to make up an excuse as to the US didn't invade Pakistan simply simply look at their disastrous war of terror on Iraq on forged evidence of WMD's concocted after they'd starved the nation of food, medicines and arms for 10 years before invading.

The fact they haven't even been able to stop nations like Iran and N. Korea from acquiring nuclear weapons now pointed at American ships and shores is telling.

The nukes on the other hand are there precisely for this purpose to deter any foreign nation to take advantage and challenge Pakistan sovereignty in any shape of form, while citizens of Pakistan ponder over the best possible way.

The greatest danger to our nuclear arsenal is likely our rent-a-Generals and military officers or plethora of civilian politicians who don't have a patriotic bone in their body.

We need these Western sympathizing and imitating shills out.
 
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As long as Pakistan remains stable
Stable right! Were we stable enough when india was sponsoring terrorism right under US nose through Afghanistan?
Who exactly gave US the right to determine what stable is when infact Your host county does the exact opposite?
For starters how many countries have fell to so called US stability over the years Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan?
Pakistan is next on the stability list of the US.
 
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LOL are you the same guy who is always the wise one and giving us advice on how tell sell our nations to the USA? Why the sudden change in tone? You simply don't have a strategy in Afghanistan to deal with the quad, do you? If you think you got a quad going on we got a quad of our own. Remember the names. China, Russia, Pakistan and Iran. We are gonna deal with uncle USA in Afghanistan. Absolutely no doubt about it.

May be they will say "please". But may be they will make an offer that Pakistan cannot refuse.

WHAT IF one the main reason behind the invasion of afghanistan by USA (Universal Satanic Authority) to deliberately create the instability through all means of state terrorism, proxies, (India, TTP, BLA even our own politician, army elite, the list goes on & on ) and after soften-up pakistan's security apparatus making the excuse of their own orchestrated instability in pakistan and then attack directly to capture Pak nukes ???
But it is just another conspiracy theory. right ?

Ignoring your cute acronym interpretation (which, BTW, if true, must mean God's support, think about that for a minute), nobody gains by creating instability in a nuclear armed country. USA intentionally looked the other way while Pakistan was developing those weapons, because it has helped stability in the region. Taking them away from Pakistan would increase instability in the whole region, which no one, including the Iron Brother, would want. Would it surprise you to know that China and USA have a joint program to ensure security of the nuclear stockpile in Pakistan?

(Of course, you do say it yourself - what you have posited is just another conspiracy theory. :D )

I'm sorry but that's pretty delusional.

This crackpot colonel alludes to truths mixed in with illusions of grandeur that reads like a script out of a Hollywood movie.

If the US was even remotely confident in their capabilities to do something like this they'd have prevented Pakistan from acquiring nuclear technology or secured our nuclear arsenal long ago when it was much smaller and the most opportune time was '01 just after the nuclear tests took place.

If you're going to try to make up an excuse as to the US didn't invade Pakistan simply simply look at their disastrous war of terror on Iraq on forged evidence of WMD's concocted after they'd starved the nation of food, medicines and arms for 10 years before invading.

The fact they haven't even been able to stop nations like Iran and N. Korea from acquiring nuclear weapons now pointed at American ships and shores is telling.

Nobody gains by creating instability in a nuclear armed country. USA intentionally looked the other way while Pakistan was developing those weapons, because it has helped stability in the region. Taking them away from Pakistan would increase instability in the whole region, which no one, including the Iron Brother, would want. Would it surprise you to know that China and USA have a joint program to ensure security of the nuclear stockpile in Pakistan?

For Iran and North Korea, let the sanctions work for a little more time.

Stable right! Were we stable enough when india was sponsoring terrorism right under US nose through Afghanistan?
Who exactly gave US the right to determine what stable is when infact Your host county does the exact opposite?
For starters how many countries have fell to so called US stability over the years Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan?
Pakistan is next on the stability list of the US.

Please keep in mind that it is not just USA keeping an eye on Pakistan's stability. All major powers are, including Iron Brother. It is in no one's interest to encourage instability, or increase the risks of nuclear weapons falling into the wrong hands. Keeping Pakistan stable helps keep the world at peace.
 
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Nobody gains by creating instability in a nuclear armed country. USA intentionally looked the other way while Pakistan was developing those weapons, because it has helped stability in the region.

Wow...

So what was the Symington Amendment of 1977 and the Glenn/Symington Amendment of 1979 to the US Foreign Assistance Act if not sanctions on Pakistan's pursuit of nuclear technologies?

Does this look like the US "intentionally looked the other way"?

Please, just stop with this nonsense.

The US couldn't do a damn thing to stop the program other than throw around its economic muscle and when it needed Pakistan, post USSR invasion of Afghanistan, it decided to look the other way on the programs because it had no choice. However, when the USSR withdrew you had a return to sanctions with the Pressler Amendment in 1990.

The US couldn't stop us from pursuing a nuclear program or developing nuclear deterrents yet this delusional Colonel thinks it can "secure" our large and growing nuclear deterrent stockpile during times of unrest?

Sorry but the colonel and anyone who believe him are delusional.

For Iran and North Korea, let the sanctions work for a little more time.

The US imposed sanctions on North Korea back in the 1950's when they had 0 nuclear warheads and now they have a burgeoning nuclear program and arsenal.

So it's clear the sanctions aren't doing anything to stifle the country's nuclear program it's just creating a humanitarian crisis in North Korea and is likely even pushing North Korea to pursue nuclear armaments for self defense.

The same is true in Iran which adhered to its commitments under the the JCPOA that the US violated.

The sanctions don't work.
 
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I am sure China and other major countries already have similar plans for all the nuclear armed countries. It is only prudent and understandable.
Yep, Pakistan has plans to secure India's nukes should the Indian federation collapse. We know all the places where Indian nukes are hidden and stored.
 
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Well, it depends on the situation. What may be "too horrible to contemplate" may be the lesser of an even worse situation. It is all hypothetical at this point, so I will stop here.

Good or bad options is no debate. Bottom line is, any forigen entity trying to barge into to sovereign nation to scoop up its nuclear stockpile, you can easily dismiss that as hallucination, at best, wishful thinking.
 
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There is nothing to discuss here. US objectives in Afghanistan are detrimental for Pakistan from every perspective. We did the right thing and we will continue to do the right thing. Confront the Americans and don't give an inch. Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan need to confront the US in Afghanistan. End of story.
 
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Please explain that intriguing comment a bit more, for my benefit. Thanks.

You have been making plenty of noise here in this thread yet not aware of custodial state control over its nukes!
 
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Wow...

So what was the Symington Amendment of 1977 and the Glenn/Symington Amendment of 1979 to the US Foreign Assistance Act if not sanctions on Pakistan's pursuit of nuclear technologies?

Does this look like the US "intentionally looked the other way"?

Please, just stop with this nonsense.

The US couldn't do a damn thing to stop the program other than throw around its economic muscle and when it needed Pakistan, post USSR invasion of Afghanistan, it decided to look the other way on the programs because it had no choice. However, when the USSR withdrew you had a return to sanctions with the Pressler Amendment in 1990.

The US couldn't stop us from pursuing a nuclear program or developing nuclear deterrents yet this delusional Colonel thinks it can "secure" our large and growing nuclear deterrent stockpile during times of unrest?

Sorry but the colonel and anyone who believe him are delusional.

Pakistan's long history with developing nuclear weapons, including enrichment were expressly tolerated by USA by indeed looking the other way. Much of the starting nuclear expertise was actually provided by USA - a verifiable fact of history. The only problem came when Pakistan decided to explode a nuclear device, while USA preferred it to keep its nuclear capabilities overt (like a few other nations). What is nonsensical here is the present day penchant for revising history that has taken hold as a national delusion.

The US imposed sanctions on North Korea back in the 1950's when they had 0 nuclear warheads and now they have a burgeoning nuclear program and arsenal.

So it's clear the sanctions aren't doing anything to stifle the country's nuclear program it's just creating a humanitarian crisis in North Korea and is likely even pushing North Korea to pursue nuclear armaments for self defense.

The same is true in Iran which adhered to its commitments under the the JCPOA that the US violated.

The sanctions don't work.

Sanctions are actually a better way of exerting suitable pressure on recalcitrant nations if required. They are slow to work, but remain highly effective in furthering national interest, without overt war. That is the blunt truth.
Yep, Pakistan has plans to secure India's nukes should the Indian federation collapse. We know all the places where Indian nukes are hidden and stored.

That is only prudent IMO.

Good or bad options is no debate. Bottom line is, any forigen entity trying to barge into to sovereign nation to scoop up its nuclear stockpile, you can easily dismiss that as hallucination, at best, wishful thinking.

Pakistan is of course going to do everything to keep its nuclear weapons secure. The only thing added is an extra layer of protection by the other major powers to ensure that the world is not threatened by any collapse. This can only be a good thing.

You have been making plenty of noise here in this thread yet not aware of custodial state control over its nukes!

Actually, I may know a bit more about nuclear technologies that you might suspect. Please do explain who removing a nuclear weapon from state control renders it a mere toy, as you have claimed. I will tell you that it remains a highly effective weapon, if if it is not explodable using its own internal mechanisms, that can be used in a number of ways.
There is nothing to discuss here. US objectives in Afghanistan are detrimental for Pakistan from every perspective. We did the right thing and we will continue to do the right thing. Confront the Americans and don't give an inch. Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan need to confront the US in Afghanistan. End of story.

Every nation has the equal right to pursue its own national interest. You are so correct here, and I agree.
 
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None of above practically achieveable ATGM and manpad supply by China or Russia will make war over for US in six months to one yr beacuse when U will play game others will too So this is blony nothing more
 
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