Respecting Military Service
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Not all American soldiers are blood thirsty social-pathic murders.
Just like not all Muslims are not Muslims.
Respect the person wearing the Uniform now matter what Uniform it is. I didn't give up my time with family or dreams to go waddle through some f'ed up -10C river or climb over mountains, sleep out side in -15C so I could kill someone.
No one does.
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Good day @Indo-guy
Just like not all Muslims are not Muslims.
Respect the person wearing the Uniform now matter what Uniform it is. I didn't give up my time with family or dreams to go waddle through some f'ed up -10C river or climb over mountains, sleep out side in -15C so I could kill someone.
No one does.
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Good day @Indo-guy
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Mt.Jhungary,
Calm down.No one hates or disrespects Americans or America.However,a lot members have different point of views which do reciprocates with American policies or whatever.I suggest you to open up this thread in GHQ or via PM service,and discuss your concerns webmaster and with management.
We respect all military professionals who served as well as military services too.Thus,such attempts are childish.you should smile rather then getting annoyed over it.
we all respect you as much as any other professional
I again suggest you and Indo-US to settle this in GHQ thread or via PM with webmaster.
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Look at your own armys record.. the massacres,mass rapes,torture in IOK or even your N.E states....
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I second @jhungary that we must respect military services.As not all professionals are same.Calling someone as 'sadistic' or psycho is really bad attitude.Using offensive terms by stamping thousand diverse people of military sector of any country and then justifying it with past references is not a good attempt.I wonder that how bad indo-US will feel if Mr.Jhungary stamp Indian forces of same by referencing human right reports about Kashmir issue or some other scenario?
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Not all American soldiers are blood thirsty social-pathic murders.
Just like not all Muslims are not Muslims.
Respect the person wearing the Uniform now matter what Uniform it is. I didn't give up my time with family or dreams to go waddle through some f'ed up -10C river or climb over mountains, sleep out side in -15C so I could kill someone.
No one does.
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Good day @Indo-guy
I am indeed sorry ...if I generalize .
The debate arose when @zhungary was boasting about how he killed 12 year old kid when he flagged their convoy on mere suspicion of his attempt to lead them to minefield .
I have highest regards for all armed forces personnel .
That does not mean cold blooded killings by soldiers should be ignored or even endorsed .
They are condemned by all civilized nations ...
Once again I apologize unconditionally if I have hurt any military personnel ....
I do condemn actions of @zhungary however ....It is totally unacceptable.
We in India do condemn all human rights violations by armed forces . we don't patronize them .
I have highest regards for military personnel for their self less dedication , sacrifices and devotion for cause of nation .
That does not mean heinous crimes against humanity by military personnel should be eulogized .
@zhunagry had been boasting of killing on 12 year of Iraqi kid just because the kid had flagged their convoy on mere suspicion of the kid may be trying to mislead convoy towards minefield .
I do not see the need to kill the young kid . they could have arrested kid , at the most could have shot the kid in leg ....
But to kill with little provocation and mere suspicion has to be condemned ....
600,000 thousand innocent Iraqi civilians have not been killed as such ...large proportion of them have been victims of trigger happy soldiers ...
I have posted several you tube videos to substantiate this ...
I apologize unconditionally to all of you if unintentionally I have hurt your sentiments .
But @zhungary the comments in which he tried to boast of killing of 12 year Iraqi kid and how he was given bronze medal for that is also big blot of military personnel ...such comments lower dignity of military personnel in eyes of whole world and they must be condemned by one and all ...
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This is the post this @Indo-guy fella accused me of "Boasting" killing a 12 years-old, which I did killed him, you be the judge
Quoted as is, unaltered, expand and look for the bolded part
Check the original post here
Cost of Indian Diplomatic Victory | Page 5
Lol I degraded the military?? You be the judge
Quoted as is, unaltered, expand and look for the bolded part
Check the original post here
Cost of Indian Diplomatic Victory | Page 5
Lol I degraded the military?? You be the judge
what was your intention in telling that you were given bronze medal for this act of yours if not 'subtle' way of boasting ???
what was the purpose ???
Do clarify ....it will be better for all .
Let people be the judge ...
when a man says he did something and next line he mentions that he was awarded medal ? what he is trying to prove ???
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Trying to proof you don't speak English?
Dude, can't you actually read and understand English? Or you want me to write in Hindu?
Don't side track the issue with nitty-gritty of grammatical mistakes !
Do explain why you talked of your having conferred with bronze medal if you were not boasting of killing 12 year old Iraqi kid ?
what purpose did the mention of Bronze medal served in your verbose reply ?
was not it an attempt to sanctify the otherwise unprovoked killing of kid based on mere suspicion ???
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Lol think that if you want, but if I were you, I would pay some money for some English Class
You obviously have a comprehension problem.
Anyone want to tell him why? I am kinda sick of talking to him
PS can anyone tell me if I can turn off iPhone autocorrect function? It's driving me nuts...
seems you have nothing to say in your attempt to defend the indefensible ???
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In order to be respected, one has to behave respectfully..
Witnesses: U.S. Special Forces committed war crimes in Afghanistan - Salon.com
Witnesses: U.S. Special Forces committed war crimes in Afghanistan
Matt Aikins spoke to dozens of local witnesses of torture and murder, which the U.S. military continues to deny
NATASHA LENNARD
TOPICS: ROLLING STONE, NERKH, U.S. SPECIAL FORCES, GREEN BERET, AFGHANISTAN, HAMID KARZAI,MATTHIEU AIKINS, TORTURE, MURDER, CIVILIAN DEATHS, NEWS, POLITICS NEWS
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Based on interviews with dozens of local witnesses and international organizations’ reports, Rolling Stone Wednesday published an explosive investigation by Matt Aikins, fleshing out allegations that U.S. Special Forces in Afghanistan tortured and murdered civilians.
“If true, these accusations would amount to some of the gravest war crimes perpetrated by American forces since 2001,” wrote Aikins. His report is well worth reading in full. Although it does not go so far as to fully substantiate the Afghan’s allegations, the investigation gives voice and much-needed credibility to claims of war crimes that the U.S. military continue to outright deny. The allegations against the American green berets — the special ops forces that replaced large army units following the surge — include the murder of eight civilians and the disappearance of ten more.
Aikins spoke with eyewitnesses and family members of those believed killed or disappeared by U.S. Special Forces. He was shown evidence of civilians’ corpses, found near the American military base in the beleaguered Nerkh region, the bodies wrapped in body bags used by U.S. forces. “None of the witnesses and family members who were interviewed by Rolling Stone during five months of reporting say they have ever been contacted by U.S. military investigators,” Aikins noted.
Via Rolling Stone:
Last winter, tensions peaked and President Karzai ordered an investigation into the allegations. Then on February 16th, a student named Nasratullah was found under a bridge with his throat slit, two days, his family claimed, after he had been picked up by the Green Berets. Mass demonstrations erupted in Wardak, and Karzai demanded that the American Special Forces team leave, and by April, it did. That’s when the locals started finding bodies buried outside the American base in Nerkh, bodies they said belonged to the 10 missing men. In July, the Afghan government announced that it had arrested Zikria Kandahari, a translator who had been working for the American team, in connection with the murders, and that in turn Kandahari had fingered members of the Special Forces for the crimes. But the American military stuck to its denials. “After thorough investigation, there was no credible evidence to substantiate misconduct by ISAF or U.S. forces,” Col. Jane Crichton told The Wall Street Journal in July.
But over the past five months, Rolling Stone has interviewed more than two dozen eyewitnesses and victims’ families who’ve provided consistent and detailed allegations of the involvement of American forces in the disappearance of the 10 men, and has talked to Afghan and Western officials who were familiar with confidential Afghan-government, U.N. and Red Cross investigations that found the allegations credible. In July, a U.N. report on civilian casualties in Afghanistan warned: “The reported disappearances, arbitrary killings and torture – if proven to have been committed under the auspices of a party to the armed conflict – may amount to war crimes.”
Witnesses: U.S. Special Forces committed war crimes in Afghanistan - Salon.com
Witnesses: U.S. Special Forces committed war crimes in Afghanistan
Matt Aikins spoke to dozens of local witnesses of torture and murder, which the U.S. military continues to deny
NATASHA LENNARD
TOPICS: ROLLING STONE, NERKH, U.S. SPECIAL FORCES, GREEN BERET, AFGHANISTAN, HAMID KARZAI,MATTHIEU AIKINS, TORTURE, MURDER, CIVILIAN DEATHS, NEWS, POLITICS NEWS
(Credit: Shutterstock)Based on interviews with dozens of local witnesses and international organizations’ reports, Rolling Stone Wednesday published an explosive investigation by Matt Aikins, fleshing out allegations that U.S. Special Forces in Afghanistan tortured and murdered civilians.
“If true, these accusations would amount to some of the gravest war crimes perpetrated by American forces since 2001,” wrote Aikins. His report is well worth reading in full. Although it does not go so far as to fully substantiate the Afghan’s allegations, the investigation gives voice and much-needed credibility to claims of war crimes that the U.S. military continue to outright deny. The allegations against the American green berets — the special ops forces that replaced large army units following the surge — include the murder of eight civilians and the disappearance of ten more.
Aikins spoke with eyewitnesses and family members of those believed killed or disappeared by U.S. Special Forces. He was shown evidence of civilians’ corpses, found near the American military base in the beleaguered Nerkh region, the bodies wrapped in body bags used by U.S. forces. “None of the witnesses and family members who were interviewed by Rolling Stone during five months of reporting say they have ever been contacted by U.S. military investigators,” Aikins noted.
Via Rolling Stone:
Last winter, tensions peaked and President Karzai ordered an investigation into the allegations. Then on February 16th, a student named Nasratullah was found under a bridge with his throat slit, two days, his family claimed, after he had been picked up by the Green Berets. Mass demonstrations erupted in Wardak, and Karzai demanded that the American Special Forces team leave, and by April, it did. That’s when the locals started finding bodies buried outside the American base in Nerkh, bodies they said belonged to the 10 missing men. In July, the Afghan government announced that it had arrested Zikria Kandahari, a translator who had been working for the American team, in connection with the murders, and that in turn Kandahari had fingered members of the Special Forces for the crimes. But the American military stuck to its denials. “After thorough investigation, there was no credible evidence to substantiate misconduct by ISAF or U.S. forces,” Col. Jane Crichton told The Wall Street Journal in July.
But over the past five months, Rolling Stone has interviewed more than two dozen eyewitnesses and victims’ families who’ve provided consistent and detailed allegations of the involvement of American forces in the disappearance of the 10 men, and has talked to Afghan and Western officials who were familiar with confidential Afghan-government, U.N. and Red Cross investigations that found the allegations credible. In July, a U.N. report on civilian casualties in Afghanistan warned: “The reported disappearances, arbitrary killings and torture – if proven to have been committed under the auspices of a party to the armed conflict – may amount to war crimes.”
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