"Resistance 2.0." - Battle for Panjshir begins - Taliban claims victory

[nangyale]

Actually the rift b/w the 2 factions were in existence from day one Moshin Dawar was and his faction was more interested to contest election while Pashteen faction was oppose to it .... in the end Moshin contested the election without the support of Pashteen.

The Only thing which kept them together was the fundings and relatively week political standing of Moshin Dawar in National politics and Internal forums. Pahteen was more promoted as compare to Moshin while Dawar and Wazir were active to gain their political space which they did eventually got.

Recently both factions had some issue over financial operation within party so in the end the split of PTM is more related to clash of personal and Financial Interests of Moshin Dawar and Pashteen, but I still believe that these faction get reunite if some sponsor want the merger.

Thanks for that informative post.

So when the meat is gone the dogs will fight for the bones.

Still it's not something related to the situation in Panjshir. So let's not digress from the topic at hand.

 

[SaadH]

The valley has a narrow entry with resistance holding the vantage points which makes it difficult for invading party to capture place. Russian tried everything with their helicopters and artillery yet failed to capture it. This won't be a walk in the park for Taliban.

Russians failed to capture it because they didn't want to capture it, Masood was on their payroll and double crossing everyone else...

 

[FuturePAF]

Russians failed to capture it because they didn't want to capture it, Masood was on their payroll and double crossing everyone else...

Also they assaulted on foot against opposition in ambush positions. The Soviets also hadn’t planned for the weather.

Masood should be more reasonable with his demand; 3-5% representation for the panjshiri people specifically and 30% representatives from amongst the spectrum of Tajik people Would be more reasonable. To have the kind of autonomy where the central government can’t ask who is coming or going to Panjshir is just a prelude to succession as well as not being disarmed. They should be allowed to keep the arms to defend themselves but not heavy military arms. Hope he sees reason and ends this peacefully and quickly before more lives are lost needlessly.

 

[aziqbal]

please no more fighting

deaths must be avoided at all costs

 

[Vapnope]

Russians failed to capture it because they didn't want to capture it, Masood was on their payroll and double crossing everyone else...

Incorrect. Russian lost soldiers and equipment fighting Ahmad shah Massoud. He is still a revered figure by our official stance.

 

[GumNaam]

This is more than 24 hours old.. Taliban has refused any talks since yesterday.. The valley itself is about to fall as Taliban has seized a good junk of panjshir so there is nothing left to negotiate with.. Taliban will enter Bazark perhaps tonight

breaking news: pappu masood junior and his boyfriend amrula saley have put forth new conditions for cooperation and acceptance of the new Taliban government:
1. taliban will let them live
2. taliban will let them wear shoes
3. taliban will let them have food & water
4. taliban will let them keep the clothes on their backs

they are really scratching the bottom of the barrel tryin' to get some face saving!!!

please no more fighting

deaths must be avoided at all costs

man shut the fck up, you've been celebrating taliban deaths and have been a big advocate of the u.s. & its cronies attacking China so enough with your crocodile tears. defeated little brown nosin' uncle tom!!!

 

[SQ8]

please no more fighting

deaths must be avoided at all costs

Would be ok with an area in Afghanistan where another neighbor will Terrorists against Pakistan?

 

[casual]

They were offered peace but they choose war.

 

[Clutch]

Taliban and Afghan rebels claim heavy casualties in fighting over Panjshir Valley
ReutersPublished September 2, 2021 - Updated about 6 hours ago
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Afghan resistance movement and anti-Taliban uprising forces patrol on a hilltop in Darband area in Anaba district, Panjshir province on September 1. — AFP
Taliban forces and fighters loyal to local leader Ahmad Massoud fought in Afghanistan's Panjshir Valley on Thursday, with each side saying it had inflicted heavy casualties in recent days of combat in the last province resisting Taliban rule.
Following the fall of Kabul on August 15, several thousand fighters from local militias and the remnants of army and special forces units have massed in Panjshir.
Under the leadership of Ahmad Massoud, son of a former Mujahideen commander, they have been holding out in the province, a steep valley that makes attacks from outside difficult.
Efforts to negotiate a settlement appear to have broken down, with each side blaming the other for the failure of talks as the Taliban prepared to announce a government.

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said the group's fighters had entered Panjshir and taken control of some territory.
“We started operations after negotiation with the local armed group failed,” he said. “They suffered heavy losses.”
However, a spokesman for the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan, a grouping of rebels, said it had full control of all passes and entrances and had driven back efforts to take Shotul district at the entrance to the valley.
“The enemy made multiple attempts to enter Shotul from Jabul-Saraj, and failed each time,” he said, referring to a town in the neighbouring Parwan province.

The spokesman said NRFA forces had also killed large numbers of Taliban fighters on two fronts since clashes first broke out earlier in the week.
“It has been proven to the other side that they cannot resolve this issue through war,” the spokesman said in reference to the Taliban's losses.
Both sides provided varying figures for the other's casualties, without offering evidence. It was not possible to verify the numbers of fighters on either side killed.
The Taliban say the Panjshir Valley is surrounded on all four sides and a rebel victory is impossible. The rebels say they will refuse to surrender.

 

[SaadH]

Incorrect. Russian lost soldiers and equipment fighting Ahmad shah Massoud. He is still a revered figure by our official stance.

Might be yours but he was well known to sell his services to the highest bidder, once he lost his Russian benefactors, he ran to Indians and acquired their patronage especially after Taliban's rise in the 90's...He told Indians to help him fight the Taliban and Indians inquired what's in it for them and he said Taliban are Pro Pakistan...

He was a snake and Pakistanis should be thankful he was eliminated.

 

[GumNaam]

They were offered peace but they choose war.

yeah apparently amrula saley convinced pappu masood junior that war is EXACTLY like that first shooter pubg game he used to play in uk and france! little pappu junior has found out the hard way that this shit's real while his adopted daddy amrula saley ran the fck away with his tail between his legs!

 

[powastick]

Taliban mountain proficiency should have advantage over years of fighting the Americans. It just a matter of when.

 

[AmlaHashim]

Panjshir Keyboard warriors are claiming that they have captured Charikar, capital of Parwan Province and also Salang district of Parwan. Is their any truth to this claim?

 

[nahtanbob]

This needs to be wrapped up asap, not that I see the White House getting into the fray directly anytime soon. But a lot of weapon manufactures and some foreign-funded lobbies would love to, again, see America gets dragged into Afghanistan. Also let's not forget: United States is OBSESSED with its Contain China policy and having an unstable Afghanistan and having another puppet regime, however small, could be better than nothing; China and Russia have been mentioned again and again by Biden and Blinken in the last few weeks when talking about Afghanistan.

Why America Should Back the Taliban’s Enemies in Panjshir | National Review

Representative Mike Waltz describes his efforts to back anti-Taliban resistance fighters, in the absence of White House leadership.

www.nationalreview.com

Why America Should Back the Taliban’s Enemies in Panjshir

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Representative Michael Waltz is working to change that mindset and is seeking support for the Panjshir resistance forces. That starts with legislative language he’s promoting to explicitly prohibit the administration from officially recognizing a Taliban-led government, and it encompasses a broader effort to marshal his congressional colleagues, foreign governments, and even the private sector to support anti-Taliban fighters in the Panjshir.
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out of curiosity when Pakistani army could not govern Pakistan properly why would they do any better job with Afghanistan ? @Meengla

 

[sal29]

out of curiosity when Pakistani army could not govern Pakistan properly why would they do any better job with Afghanistan ? @Meengla

Do elaborate. What exactly Pakistani army is not able to govern (keeping in mind that its not the job of the army to govern its civil government that does the governing) but I guess you were not taught that in American public school system.

P.S: This doesn't mean I agree with Pakistani army interfering in Afghanistan.