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http://www.opindia.com/2018/03/no-m...year-old-student-like-me-you-dont-make-sense/

12th March 2018 was an amusing day when NDTV decided to publish an article on Political Parties Rewriting Books. But the biggest irony of that article was that it was written by Romila Thapar: the living legend of agenda-based distortions in academic history. She tried to suggest (in her article) that history textbooks cannot be subject to the whims and fancies of political change. I aim to demonstrate the hypocrisy behind these words and reiterate the genuine necessity for a transformation in our textbooks.

Today, in 2018 Romila says political ideology cannot change the truth. If only she told herself exactly that, some years ago. She has literally legitimised historical distortion in India and has born audacious political motives during her active years. So many things were that fell in line with the Marxist view of history, were suggested by her: including an uncanny bigotry towards Hinduism, half-baked knowledge, lies, lies and more lies. Some examples would help me convey my point better.

In her history books, she has placed massive emphasis on this idea of Hindus actually having an Aryan identity. Let’s have a look at such arguments in one of her own middle school textbooks, Ancient India:



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REFERENCE: ANCIENT INDIA, (CHAPTER 3: LIFE IN THE VEDIC AGE, PG. 48)
Notice how there is a massive emphasis on “Aryans arriving in India”. No reference to it being a theory, no reference of there being massive evidence against it. Just a bold assertion. Aside from that, she subtly incorporates the highly flawed ‘nasal index’ concept by saying that Dravidians or “Dasyus” had “flat noses”. This suggestion is very often brought up by the brigade of communist ‘intellectuals’ to divide on the basis of a false identity. She doesn’t stop there; naturally, Marxism in India not only involves dividing based on caste but also language. Therefore, she must obviously mention that they spoke different languages. As though that was not enough, she goes on to say that we apparently worshipped different Gods. Obviously, no historical evidence to back any of these claims, no quotations of scriptures of the time, no scientific evidence, just gutted declarations of there being a divide. In fact, the scriptures and DNA tests have proved the opposite of what Romila propagates here. But naturally, Ms Thapar has not made her motives clear enough, so do not worry dear Class 6 student. For if you answer the following questions that are only on Aryans (because that is what Ancient India was, wasn’t it?), one day you can become a Marxist too!



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REFERENCE: ANCIENT INDIA, (CHAPTER 3: LIFE IN THE VEDIC AGE, PG. 47)


If only she stopped there. But as you probably guessed, she doesn’t. She goes on to tell the student about the gods of the time.

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REFERENCE: ANCIENT INDIA, (CHAPTER 3: LIFE IN THE VEDIC AGE, PG. 50)
“Indra was the favourite god because he was strong and he could strike down the demons and the enemies of the Aryans”. Seriously? Firstly, there is no logical basis to announce Indra as the “favourite God”, because there’s nothing like that in any Veda, Upanishad, Purana, Itihasa or any documented piece of evidence for that matter. So it naturally makes you wonder- why would she bring up “favourite god”? Well, here’s the answer: “he could strike down the demons and enemies of the Aryans”. I almost laughed out when I read that!

Really? Is that what India’s “most eminent historian” resorts to? Indra, who is the king of Devas is perceived to somehow be pro-Aryan. But there is no logical basis to assume that. Much like her comrades, she wants you to believe that Rakshasas were “dark” and therefore “Dravidian”. Anyone who is therefore against Rakshasas is “fair” and therefore “Aryan”. So since Indra was perceived to be fair by the Marxist brigade, hallelujah! He not only struck down the enemies of Aryans but is suddenly their favourite God.

She does not stop there though. She goes on to pull every desperate attempt at misrepresenting Indian culture, just as every member of the Communist pseudo-intellectual squad has done. This time, she pronounces: “there is literary evidence” through hymns, stories and poems” to say that beef eating was a “common practice amongst Aryans”. In fact, she stands by these statements till date and has brought them up on various occasions:

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REF- INDIA TODAY, WHY RIGHT IS NOT RIGHT: HISTORIAN ROMILA THAPAR TALKS ABOUT THE OUTBURST AGAINST INTOLERANCE BY THE INTELLECTUALS
Of course, every source of firsthand Vedic information will condemn cow slaughter, just as none permit beef eating. Romila’s beloved literary evidence seems to work against her this time though because if I quoted to you: Rig-veda (10.87.16), Manu-Samhita (5.48-49), (Mahabharata, Anu.115.47) and tens of scriptures, you would know how wrong she is. One sample verse from the Atharva Veda (10.29.1) says:

The slaughter of an innocent, O Krityā, is an awful deed. Slay not a cow, horse, or any mortal.

Therefore, all her feisty claims launched out in history textbooks of young children are riddled with holes and fallacies. She herself had evidently promoted a very specific political ideology and would, therefore, be the last person I approached on any educational advice.

But for sake of argument, let us even ignore the fact that this suggestion (of “no change in history books”) came from Romila Thapar for a second. Should history textbooks be changed every single time a different party gains power?

The answer obviously is no.

Every time a new party comes into power, they cannot revolutionise the curriculum for no rhyme or reason. But when sheer lies are being taught to children, we cannot shy away from making changes. For example, if I had a textbook that somehow said:

“Our ancestors haven’t mentioned anywhere that they ever saw an ape turning into a man. So Darwinism is a myth”.

Whatever ideology you hold, as a rational person, you would ask for it to be removed from the textbook. Why?

Because it’s a delusion that you do not want children to study and ingrain into their minds. Previous governments have left ludicrous suggestions in the minds of little children that the government needs to get rid of. Therefore, although every party in power should not change books for the sake of displaying political muscle, genuine distortions call for a change.

I myself have examined the number of falsifications in a young student’s book, to prove the necessity for a refinement. I would even like to quote Smriti Irani’s famous speech in parliament:

History taught to standard 6th. I quote, madam speaker, “Kashmir is a much demonised land today that the State militates against… The atrocities of the Indian State”…There is a single prescribed textbook on Shivaji all over Maharashtra. Teachers from the schools in Bombay have expressed great difficulty in controlling emotions. One of them said, “The schools that have active enrollment of Muslim students are rushed through the chapter on Afzal Khan and Shivaji’s confrontation. It is a politically and socially loaded connotation. I can’t meet eye to eye with Muslim students, so I start my chapter with an apology. There are many Afzals in my class.”. As said by the teacher teaching in the 6th standard.

I do not attribute these specific distortions to Romila Thapar. But when such things are being taught to children, is it not fair to ask for books to be changed? How can you argue that this is about “political parties” when such things have been written and even commissioned irresponsibly by certain governments? Therefore change is a must in such situations.

Let us agree to something: laughable, yet equally sorry things are taught to Indian children due to some ‘academicians’ and their political inclinations and biases. It is even more saddening when these ‘intellectuals’ responsible for that corruption in knowledge, go on to talk about objectivity and worry about education now. Dear NDTV journalists, apologists and bigoted historians like Ms Thapar- please understand that we cannot be fooled anymore. If I, as a fifteen-year-old student, can see through your silly suggestions, so can the rest of our nation.
 
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Brilliantly exposes the so called frauds masquerading as historians...
 
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Indo-Aryan migration is almost certainly true. Hinduism was spread into the region by foreigners. Accept it and move on, I don't think your Indo Aryan ancestors would appreciate you denying their hard work to spread Paganism across the land.
 
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In her history books, she has placed massive emphasis on this idea of Hindus actually having an Aryan identity. Let’s have a look at such arguments in one of her own middle school textbooks, Ancient India:



screen-shot-2018-03-16-at-5-41-18-pm.jpg


REFERENCE: ANCIENT INDIA, (CHAPTER 3: LIFE IN THE VEDIC AGE, PG. 48)
Notice how there is a massive emphasis on “Aryans arriving in India”. No reference to it being a theory, no reference of there being massive evidence against it. Just a bold assertion. Aside from that, she subtly incorporates the highly flawed ‘nasal index’ concept by saying that Dravidians or “Dasyus” had “flat noses”. This suggestion is very often brought up by the brigade of communist ‘intellectuals’ to divide on the basis of a false identity. She doesn’t stop there; naturally, Marxism in India not only involves dividing based on caste but also language. Therefore, she must obviously mention that they spoke different languages. As though that was not enough, she goes on to say that we apparently worshipped different Gods. Obviously, no historical evidence to back any of these claims, no quotations of scriptures of the time, no scientific evidence, just gutted declarations of there being a divide. In fact, the scriptures and DNA tests have proved the opposite of what Romila propagates here. But naturally, Ms Thapar has not made her motives clear enough, so do not worry dear Class 6 student. For if you answer the following questions that are only on Aryans (because that is what Ancient India was, wasn’t it?), one day you can become a Marxist too!


I Have Never Seen Such A Crappy Article From Any Sanghi In My Entire Life.DNA Tests Have Proved????Oh Really

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/sc...he-aryan-migration-debate/article19090301.ece

http://www.cell.com/ajhg/abstract/S0002-9297(13)00324-8

https://beyondheadlines.in/2014/04/american-scientist-proves-brahmins-are-foreigners/

https://www.livescience.com/38751-genetic-study-reveals-caste-system-origins.html
 
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Indo-Aryan migration is almost certainly true. Hinduism was spread into the region by foreigners. Accept it and move on, I don't think your Indo Aryan ancestors would appreciate you denying their hard work to spread Paganism across the land.

Irony of this all is..

Aryan invasion, which has been disproven by DNA analysis. Which "might" have happened some 20000 years or more ago is an issue
BUT
Islamic invasion and the subsequent brutality is not an issue Or the current Vatican invasion is not an issue.

One simple question mate....If Hinduism came from outside, what happened to it in places where it supposedly came from?



Read through the articles first before making a joke of self.

The article is spot on in exposing the duplicity of the so called historians.
 
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Irony of this all is..

Aryan invasion, which has been disproven by DNA analysis. Which "might" have happened some 20000 years or more ago is an issue
BUT
Islamic invasion and the subsequent brutality is not an issue Or the current Vatican invasion is not an issue.

One simple question mate....If Hinduism came from outside, what happened to it in places where it supposedly came from?

Read through the articles first before making a joke of self.

The article is spot on in exposing the duplicity of the so called historians.

Dude, you are totally wasting your time.

These guys know the truth, they just don't want to admit it.
 
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Irony of this all is..

Aryan invasion, which has been disproven by DNA analysis. Which "might" have happened some 20000 years or more ago is an issue
BUT
Islamic invasion and the subsequent brutality is not an issue Or the current Vatican invasion is not an issue.

One simple question mate....If Hinduism came from outside, what happened to it in places where it supposedly came from?

No, the Aryan migration has actually been proven by genetics.

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/sc...he-aryan-migration-debate/article19090301.ece
http://www.riazhaq.com/2013/08/harvard-genetics-study-finds-most.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC311057/

Islamic invasion isn't an issue because the Muslims of the region accept that it happened and accept that we are descended from them (well, except for the liberals anyway).

The same cannot be said for Hindus, who deny the Indo-Aryan conquests or any major migrations occurred into Hindustan, and that almost every Hindustani is a pure blooded local with no foreign admixture (except for the Muslims of course, because they need a boogey man).

The reason Hinduism is mostly limited to Hindustan is because it's a localisation of the Paganism that the Aryans carried with them. You can clearly see that other places in which the Aryans went had their own polytheistic faiths that were remarkably similar to Hinduism.

As for the Vatican invasion, that's not a thing.

Dude, you are totally wasting your time.

These guys know the truth, they just don't want to admit it.

LOL if you speak an Indo-Aryan language, your ancestors were Indo-Aryans.

Not exactly rocket science is it?

Anyway, why do you deny it? You should be happy that your ancestors were a bunch of martial predators who conquered the region and left such a huge impact that cannot be undone after thousands of years.
 
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Indo-Aryan migration is almost certainly true. Hinduism was spread into the region by foreigners. Accept it and move on, I don't think your Indo Aryan ancestors would appreciate you denying their hard work to spread Paganism across the land.
not much into hinduism and such, but have been doing a good amount of research on the human migrations stuff.

here are the points that support the aryan migration theory into India:
1) chariots and horses: horse is not a native creature to India but is widely used in their cultural and mythological stories
2) change in language: from the indus civilization to the early sanskrit language, the sudden shift in language makes one believe there has been an invasion
3) settlements die out: the IVC's settlements die out a few centuries before the so called sanskritized cities start to show up
4) strong connection between the iranian (avestan) peoples' language, culture and religion with the aryans/vedic peoples show the people might be coming in from the Iranian side (Western side migration)

here are the points that oppose the aryan migration theory
1) there is absolutely no evidence of warfare/no broken demolished structures
2) no mass graves or genocidal graves found in any excavations from the IVC and hence, this may not be an "invasion"
3) the latter IVC sites follow into the gangetic plain which supports a gradual movement of the IVC people and maybe morphing into the "Aryans"
4) horse remains have been found in the IVC (suroktada excavations) which quashes the "horse not native to IVC peoples" theory.
 
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No, the Aryan migration has actually been proven by genetics.

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/sc...he-aryan-migration-debate/article19090301.ece
http://www.riazhaq.com/2013/08/harvard-genetics-study-finds-most.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC311057/

Islamic invasion isn't an issue because the Muslims of the region accept that it happened and accept that we are descended from them (well, except for the liberals anyway).

The same cannot be said for Hindus, who deny the Indo-Aryan conquests or any major migrations occurred into Hindustan, and that almost every Hindustani is a pure blooded local with no foreign admixture (except for the Muslims of course, because they need a boogey man).

The reason Hinduism is mostly limited to Hindustan is because it's a localisation of the Paganism that the Aryans carried with them. You can clearly see that other places in which the Aryans went had their own polytheistic faiths that were remarkably similar to Hinduism.

As for the Vatican invasion, that's not a thing.



LOL if you speak an Indo-Aryan language, your ancestors were Indo-Aryans.

Not exactly rocket science is it?

Anyway, why do you deny it? You should be happy that your ancestors were a bunch of martial predators who conquered the region and left such a huge impact that cannot be undone after thousands of years.

LOL.... this is the actual map of the genetic migration.

Watch what the timeline says, it happened 70,000 years ago.

MigrationMap.jpg
 
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Dude, you are totally wasting your time.

These guys know the truth, they just don't want to admit it.

All this crap theories from the so called expert crackpots & no one can answer one simple question.

If the current Hindus & Hinduism came from outside....what happened to it in the lands it came from?
May be the invasion happened from Mars or may be from some other Galaxy far far away...that's why we don't see proofs of Hindus and Hinduism in any lands :D

No, the Aryan migration has actually been proven by genetics.

Dude...it has already been debunked. Not going to waste my time beating a dead horse. Genetic tests disprove Aryan invasion..period!
 
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not much into hinduism and such, but have been doing a good amount of research on the human migrations stuff.

here are the points that support the aryan migration theory into India:
1) chariots and horses: horse is not a native creature to India but is widely used in their cultural and mythological stories
2) change in language: from the indus civilization to the early sanskrit language, the sudden shift in language makes one believe there has been an invasion
3) settlements die out: the IVC's settlements die out a few centuries before the so called sanskritized cities start to show up
4) strong connection between the iranian (avestan) peoples' language, culture and religion with the aryans/vedic peoples show the people might be coming in from the Iranian side (Western side migration)

here are the points that oppose the aryan migration theory
1) there is absolutely no evidence of warfare/no broken demolished structures
2) no mass graves or genocidal graves found in any excavations from the IVC and hence, this may not be an "invasion"
3) the latter IVC sites follow into the gangetic plain which supports a gradual movement of the IVC people and maybe morphing into the "Aryans"
4) horse remains have been found in the IVC (suroktada excavations) which quashes the "horse not native to IVC peoples" theory.

Some problems with your objections:

1. There have been skeletons of IVC people which appear to have been brutally murdered, this is how the invasion theory was propped up in the first place.

2. The Indo-Aryans themselves were very martial, they even fought each other. I do certainly think they had amicable relations and intermarried with some non-Aryan locals, but they almost certainly did destroy and subjugate many local tribes. This is why high caste people of the region have more European DNA in them than low caste people.

3. Just because the mass graves haven't been found doesn't mean they don't exist.

4. Horses might be native, but chariots are almost certainly not.

5. Ever wonder why those people moved to the Gangetic plain in the first place?

LOL.... this is the actual map of the genetic migration.

Watch what the timeline says, it happened 70,000 years ago.

MigrationMap.jpg

That's maternal lineages, not paternal ones.

Also, I'm still highly sceptical.

Dude...it has already been debunked. Not going to waste my time beating a dead horse. Genetic tests disprove Aryan invasion..period!

Keep burying your head in the sand.
 
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not much into hinduism and such, but have been doing a good amount of research on the human migrations stuff.

here are the points that support the aryan migration theory into India:
1) chariots and horses: horse is not a native creature to India but is widely used in their cultural and mythological stories

Wrong on two counts,
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equus_sivalensis

2. http://archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/harappan-horse

Horse was widely domesticated and used in India during the third millennium BCE over most of the area covered by the Indus-Sarasvati Civilization.

In verse I.162.18, the Rigveda describes the horse as having 34 ribs (17 pairs), while the Central Asian horse has 18 pairs (36) of ribs.

This means that the horse described in the Vedas is the native Indian breed (with 34 ribs) and not the Central Asian variety.

2) change in language: from the indus civilization to the early sanskrit language, the sudden shift in language makes one believe there has been an invasion

What "sudden shift" in language are you talking about ?

Pretty much all languages in India are direct mutations of Sanskrit.

The only other language is TAMIL which again has the same grammar as sanskrit and even the script is derived from "Brahmin script" used for sanskrit.

3) settlements die out: the IVC's settlements die out a few centuries before the so called sanskritized cities start to show up

4) strong connection between the iranian (avestan) peoples' language, culture and religion with the aryans/vedic peoples show the people might be coming in from the Iranian side (Western side migration)

LOL.... that is illogical. In fact evidence suggest that it was Indians who migrated to Iran (Eastern side migration)

Especially if you consider Zorashtrian faith.

here are the points that oppose the aryan migration theory
1) there is absolutely no evidence of warfare/no broken demolished structures
2) no mass graves or genocidal graves found in any excavations from the IVC and hence, this may not be an "invasion"

Pointless since Hindus burnt the dead.

3) the latter IVC sites follow into the gangetic plain which supports a gradual movement of the IVC
and maybe morphing into the "Aryans"

The Vedas mention Ganges i.e. Ganga in detail and that flow into the Bay of Bengal.

It also mentions the Sarayu river in Uttar pradesh. i.e. East of India

It mentions the Gomati river again from UP and the "Gandaki" river in Nepal.

"Aryan" just means educated and cultured, it does not refer to any "race" or tribe. Its just means "gentleman".

SO which race does "Gentlemen" belong too ?

4) horse remains have been found in the IVC (suroktada excavations) which quashes the "horse not native to IVC peoples" theory.

Presence of Indian peacock in King solomon's court show that trading in animals is much older than what people think. Trading of horses was well established in the IVC.
 
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Wrong on two counts,
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equus_sivalensis

2. http://archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/harappan-horse

Horse was widely domesticated and used in India during the third millennium BCE over most of the area covered by the Indus-Sarasvati Civilization.

In verse I.162.18, the Rigveda describes the horse as having 34 ribs (17 pairs), while the Central Asian horse has 18 pairs (36) of ribs.

This means that the horse described in the Vedas is the native Indian breed (with 34 ribs) and not the Central Asian variety.



What "sudden shift" in language are you talking about ?

Pretty much all languages in India are direct mutations of Sanskrit.

The only other language is TAMIL which again has the same grammar as sanskrit and even the script is derived from "Brahmin script" used for sanskrit.



LOL.... that is illogical. In fact evidence suggest that it was Indians who migrated to Iran (Eastern side migration)

Especially if you consider Zorashtrian faith.



Pointless since Hindus burnt the dead.



The Vedas mention Ganges i.e. Ganga in detail and that flow into the Bay of Bengal.

It also mentions the Sarayu river in Uttar pradesh. i.e. East of India

It mentions the Gomati river again from UP and the "Gandaki" river in Nepal.

"Aryan" just means educated and cultured, it does not refer to any "race" or tribe. Its just means "gentleman".

SO which race does "Gentlemen" belong too ?



Presence of Indian peacock in King solomon's court show that trading in animals is much older than what people think. Trading of horses was well established in the IVC.

The fact that you dared to bring up languages to support your argument is laughable, because it's about to backfire:

 
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The fact that you dared to bring up languages to support your argument is laughable, because it's about to backfire:


LOL.... is that suppose to be funny ?

I speak sanskrit and I speak Tamil and hindi and malayalam and urdu and english and a couple of more English languages. I do not need a white man to tell me the roots of my language.

That video only says the roots of European languages lie in Sanskrit.

Yet ALL the sanskrit literature IS FROM INDIA..... there is NO sanskrit literature in rest of the world :lol:

Ever wonder why ?
 
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Keep burying your head in the sand.

Looks like you should follow your own advise...
Simple question - if is it imported, what happened to people and the Hinduism in place it was imported from? There must be some archaeological proofs existing, at least ONE proof in the place it originated to show it came from there??

For example, we can trace Islam from where it was born. We can see the evidences and trace it back to it's origins.
Same with Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism etc.
So, you must have some place you can trace Hinduism back, right? Can you share that place?

Some times lack of proof means it DID NOT HAPPEN..
 
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