REPORTSNo Ms Romila Thapar, even to a 15 year old student like me, you don’t make sense

[Hamza913]

Commons sense tells us that the language of the IVC was sanskrit. There is no evidence of any other language in that area apart from sanskrit or its various forms.

Evidence of chariot is the SPOKED WHEEL and guess what ? Found this 6000 years ago.

And YES , I ask again, WHAT LANGUAGE SHIFT ?



LOL.... Avestan is impure sanskrit like Pali.

The evidence is their poor grammar.


"Get back to you" for what ? educate you further ? No Thanks.

Those wheels are not evidence, show me an actual chariot.

The language shift is that the Dravidians and Indo-Aryans both speak different languages, therefore, a change occured at some point since the early people of the region did not have two distinct language families present.

That comment on Avestan simply shows your Hindustani supremacy, which is strange. Of all people, you guys should be pretty humble after being humiliated by foreign conquests since the dawn of time.

 

[Advaitagrata]

Kushans assimilated into the local culture of Pakistan/Afghanistan, and as a result were great patrons of the religions of the region.

They weren't Hindustani, they came from China. Their descendants would also be Afghans and Pakistanis, not Hindustanis. The Hindustanis were only subjugated by them.

The last Kushan king was called "Vasudeva" which is the name of an Indian god.

So sure, he was not "Hindustani". lol.

 

[Hamza913]

The last Kushan king was called "Vasudeva" which is the name of an Indian god.

So sure, he was not "Hindustani". lol.

I'm sure.

The Kushans were Iranic people who came from China to Afghanistan/Pakistan. Their descendants exist across Pakistan and Afghanistan.

You can lay claim to them based on the fact that they were great patrons of Hinduism, but you cannot say they are Hindustani. Hindustan as a nation has nothing to do with the Kushans.

 

[Advaitagrata]

Those wheels are not evidence, show me an actual chariot.

The language shift is that the Dravidians and Indo-Aryans both speak different languages, therefore, a change occured at some point since the early people of the region did not have two distinct language families present.

That comment on Avestan simply shows your Hindustani supremacy, which is strange. Of all people, you guys should be pretty humble after being humiliated by foreign conquests since the dawn of time.

You want to see an actual chariot that is 7000 years old ?

How about Rock painting of a Chariot that is more than 6000 years old ?

Dravidian languages existed along with Sanskrit. Both are languages native to India. They enriched each other.


Sorry for not being "Humble".

I'm sure.

The Kushans were Iranic people who came from China to Afghanistan/Pakistan. Their descendants exist across Pakistan and Afghanistan.

You can lay claim to them based on the fact that they were great patrons of Hinduism, but you cannot say they are Hindustani. Hindustan as a nation has nothing to do with the Kushans.

Except for the fact that they shifted their capital to India, MATHURA (city of Indian god "Vasudeva" a.k.a Krishna)

 

[Hamza913]

You want to see an actual chariot that is 7000 years old ?

How about Rock painting of a Chariot that is more than 6000 years old ?

Dravidian languages existed along with Sanskrit. Both are languages native to India. They enriched each other.


Sorry for not being "Humble".

Is that painting actually from Hindustan, prior to the dating of the Aryan migrations? I would like a source too.

No, they didn't. They are very distinct. Sanskrit is much more similar (almost identical in fact) to Avestan.

Arrogance is not a good trait, especially when you don't have much to be arrogant about.

You want to see an actual chariot that is 7000 years old ?

How about Rock painting of a Chariot that is more than 6000 years old ?

Dravidian languages existed along with Sanskrit. Both are languages native to India. They enriched each other.


Sorry for not being "Humble".



Except for the fact that they shifted their capital to India, MATHURA (city of Indian god "Vasudeva" a.k.a Krishna)

For most of the history of the Kushans, their capitals were situated in Afghanistan/Pakistan. You can see via genetics that their descendants clearly mostly come from Pakistan and not Hindustan (same with all the Iranic people that migrated to the region):

 

[Advaitagrata]

Is that painting actually from Hindustan, prior to the dating of the Aryan migrations? I would like a source too.

No, they didn't. They are very distinct. Sanskrit is much more similar (almost identical in fact) to Avestan.

Arrogance is not a good trait, especially when you don't have much to be arrogant about.

Do you own homework. Why should I educate you ? especially since you think I have nothing to be arrogant about. lol.

Anyway the rock painting is from Bhimbetka a UNESCO World Heritage Site in Madhya Pradesh. MIDDLE OF INDIA.

 

[Hamza913]

Do you own homework. Why should I educate you ? especially since you think I have nothing to be arrogant about. lol.

Anyway the rock painting is from Bhimbetka a UNESCO World Heritage Site in Madhya Pradesh. MIDDLE OF INDIA.

If true, then I cede my point about the chariots.

However, the Indo-Aryan migration theory still goes strong as the genetic and linguistic evidence is overwhelming.

Anyway, why do you feel dishonoured to have non-Hindustani ancestry? I as a Pakistani feel no shame in having a significant amount of Iranic ancestry.

 

[Advaitagrata]

For most of the history of the Kushans, their capitals were situated in Afghanistan/Pakistan. You can see via genetics that their descendants clearly mostly come from Pakistan and not Hindustan (same with all the Iranic people that migrated to the region):

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Genetic map of Indians show remarkable similarity.

If true, then I cede my point about the chariots.

However, the Indo-Aryan migration theory still goes strong as the genetic and linguistic evidence is overwhelming.

Anyway, why do you feel dishonoured to have non-Hindustani ancestry? I as a Pakistani feel no shame in having a significant amount of Iranic ancestry.

lol..... I feel honoured to speak the truth and to demolish Lies.

I have provided evidence and facts to substantiate my claims. Its you who are in denial.

What more needs to be said.

 

[Hamza913]

Genetic map of Indians show remarkable similarity.

Most of Hindustan doesn't have Eurasian admixture at levels that high, most of those people you have listed form small minorities in Hindustan.

My map was a better indicator of the average, it also gives one for Hindustani people (both Dravidian and non Dravidian).

 

[pothead]

theory still goes strong as the genetic and linguistic evidence is overwhelming

Ok genius, do let us know which European, middle East or East Asian language is similar to Sanskrit?
btw, Sanskrit shares a lot of similarities with all South Indian languages.

Sukhlam Bhadharam Vishnum Shashi varnam..

It continues & is a Sanskrit poem and is probably the most sung song across South India..

And less said about the genetic thing the better mate

 

[Hamza913]

Genetic map of Indians show remarkable similarity.

lol..... I feel honoured to speak the truth and to demolish Lies.

I have provided evidence and facts to substantiate my claims. Its you who are in denial.

What more needs to be said.

No, you haven't given sufficient proof for your claims. Most scholars agree with the Indo-Aryan migration theory, very few reject it.

So why go against the majority of you feel no shame?

Ok genius, do let us know which European, middle East or East Asian language is similar to Sanskrit?
btw, Sanskrit shares a lot of similarities with all South Indian languages.

Sukhlam Bhadharam Vishnum Shashi varnam..

It continues & is a Sanskrit poem and is probably the most sung song across South India..

And less said about the genetic thing the better mate

Avestan was almost identical to Sanskrit, and the Indo-European languages share many similar words. There's a reason Irish and Hindi have common words.

 

[Advaitagrata]

No, you haven't given sufficient proof for your claims. Most scholars agree with the Indo-Aryan migration theory, very few reject it.

So why go against the majority of you feel no shame?

Why should I feel "shame" to go against the majority christian and muslims who make up rest of the world ? I take pride in exposing their lies and shameful lack of integrity.

TRUTH is not subject to popular vote ....... its subject to evidence and Facts.

Avestan was almost identical to Sanskrit, and the Indo-European languages share many similar words. There's a reason Irish and Hindi have common words.

Pali is almost identical to Sanskrit too

Same as Avestan.

Both are variants of Sanskrit spoken by the uneducated and poorly educated.

Most of Hindustan doesn't have Eurasian admixture at levels that high, most of those people you have listed form small minorities in Hindustan.

My map was a better indicator of the average, it also gives one for Hindustani people (both Dravidian and non Dravidian).

LOL.... ok, the evidence is not true. Your personal prejudice is the "real" truth.

I am totally convinced.

 

[Hamza913]

Why should I feel "shame" to go against the majority christian and muslims who make up rest of the world ? I take pride in exposing their lies and shameful lack of integrity.

TRUTH is not subject to popular vote ....... its subject to evidence and Facts.



Pali is almost identical to Sanskrit too

Same as Avestan.

Both are variants of Sanskrit spoken by the uneducated and poorly educated.

Religion is not the same as history. Also, that point of yours only digs your grave deeper by perhaps giving you a reason to ponder over whether or not Hindusim is the truth.

Again, please stop with this arrogance of yours over Sanskrit. Speakers of Iranian languages have been far more successful throughout history than Hindustans.

LOL.... ok, the evidence is not true. Your personal prejudice is the "real" truth.

I am totally convinced.

My map gave an average, yours didn't.

Therefore, my map is better when it comes to comparing Pakistani and Hindustan genetics, and the conclusion is simple. Pakistanis are a mixture of mostly Iranic/Indo-Aryan ancestry, where are Hindustans are a mixture of mostly Dravidian/Indo-Aryan ancestry.

 

[Advaitagrata]

Religion is not the same as history. Also, that point of yours only digs your grave deeper by perhaps giving you a reason to ponder over whether or not Hindusim is the truth.

Again, please stop with this arrogance of yours over Sanskrit. Speakers of Iranian languages have been far more successful throughout history than Hindustans.

But religious bigotry and racist ideologist triumphs the truth every time. That is the same as history.

Don't worry about my religion, its need not be your concern unless you are looking to "convert" me, sadly you do not hold the sword anymore.

I frankly do not give a damn about your inferiority complex regarding Iranian speakers. I take pride in my own history and achievements of my civilization.

My map gave an average, yours didn't.

Therefore, my map is better when it comes to comparing Pakistani and Hindustan genetics, and the conclusion is simple. Pakistanis are a mixture of mostly Iranic/Indo-Aryan ancestry, where are Hindustans are a mixture of mostly Dravidian/Indo-Aryan ancestry.

Pakistani genetics is more mixed showing its brutal and sad history. But Not Indian genetics.


THIS is Iran.

 

[Hamza913]

But religious bigotry and racist ideologist triumphs the truth every time. That is the same as history.

Don't worry about my religion, its need not be your concern unless you are looking to "convert" me, sadly you do not hold the sword anymore.

I frankly do not give a damn about your inferiority complex regarding Iranian speakers. I take pride in my own history and achievements of my civilization.

Don't worry, Muslims are growing day by day through simple dawah alone. We don't need a sword anymore to obtain power.

It's not an inferiority complex if my ancestors were Iranic lol. Anyway, I take joy in both my Indo-Aryan and Iranic ancestry, the latter just gets more prominence because that's the one that gave me Islam.

But religious bigotry and racist ideologist triumphs the truth every time. That is the same as history.

Don't worry about my religion, its need not be your concern unless you are looking to "convert" me, sadly you do not hold the sword anymore.

I frankly do not give a damn about your inferiority complex regarding Iranian speakers. I take pride in my own history and achievements of my civilization.



Pakistani genetics is more mixed showing its brutal and sad history. But Not Indian genetics.


THIS is Iran.

On the contrary, being mixed only gives us a more diverse heritage to look back on.

Iranic is not the same as Iranian. Iranian is a nationality, Iranic is an ethnic/racial group.