Report: Hamas, Islamic Jihad offer 10-year truce

[Falcon29]

Report: Hamas, Islamic Jihad offer 10-year truce | Maan News Agency

BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- Hamas and Islamic Jihad have submitted a list of 10 demands to Egypt to establish a 10-year truce with Israel, the Hebrew-language daily Maariv reported Wednesday.

Maariv quoted a “high-profile” Palestinian source as confirming that Hamas and Islamic Jihad were willing to sign a truce if their 10 conditions were met.

The first demand, according to Maariv, is the withdrawal of Israeli military tanks from the border fence area to a distance that enables Gaza farmers to access their fields and tend them freely.

In addition, Israel must free all Palestinian prisoners detained after the abduction and killing of three Israeli teenagers in the southern West Bank including those who were freed as part of Gilad Shalit prisoner swap. This precondition also includes softening procedures against all prisoners in Israeli custody.

A third demand stipulates that Israel ends the crippling siege on the coastal enclave, which means reopening all border crossings and allowing the entry of construction materials and all requirements needed to run the Gaza Strip’s power station.

The fourth demand stipulates the opening of an international seaport and international airport in the Gaza Strip to be run and monitored by the United Nations.

Hamas and Islamic Jihad also demanded that Israel increases the Gaza fishing zone to 10 nautical miles and allows Gaza fishermen to use large fishing ships.

Furthermore, the Rafah crossing between Egypt and the Gaza Strip should be monitored by international crews from friendly and Arab countries.

Israel must commit to a ceasefire for 10 years which includes closing Gaza airspace to Israeli aircraft, it added.

Moreover, Israel must give Gaza residents permission to visit Jerusalem and pray in the al-Aqsa Mosque.

Another stipulation demands that Israel abstain from any intervention in Palestinian internal affairs including political arrangements and the reconciliation agreement and all its consequences.

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This is a perfectly reasonable demand. This is what one calls a real 'cease fire'. Not a temporary pause in violence with devastating conditions only so Israel could come back and bombard the Strip within a year or two.

If Israel doesn't take this into consideration then Israel is against peace. This could pave way to move forward and make people seriously consider a two state solution. It promotes co-existence as well.

While all of this is going on, Israel is threatening a likely possibility of an ground invasion.

 

[forcetrip]

Unless and until muslim egypt and turkey support these conditions we can not expect anything remotely possible from israel. Its just wont make any sense. What good is international pressure when there is absolutely no pressure towards israel. The pressure is to magically stop killing women and children.

 

[Falcon29]

Unless and until muslim egypt and turkey support these conditions we can not expect anything remotely possible from israel. Its just wont make any sense. What good is international pressure when there is absolutely no pressure towards israel. The pressure is to magically stop killing women and children.

I wish I could do something about it. There is zero pressure from the Arab world. Turkey would at least expect the Arab world to lead in order to be able to follow up with pressure. Or express willingness or support for an immediate solution similar to this plan.

If you would ask me, why aren't the Arab nations using their non-military power to come to a solution. I wouldn't be able to answer you. If the MB was in Egypt currently it would be different.

 

[forcetrip]

Sorry. But no one will do anything about it. But I have been trying to explain this to you for a very very long time. This is the product of everyone being too busy hating their own minorities.

 

[HunterKiller]

Israel may agree to one or two of these conditions, but to all is simply impossible..

Another stipulation demands that Israel abstain from any intervention in Palestinian internal affairs including political arrangements and the reconciliation agreement and all its consequences.

This is what Israel will never agree to.
Israel never wants Hamas to be in power as there is a chance that the rest of the world may recognize Hamas as a political party. What Israel wants is to keep the "terrorist" level on Hamas to convince the world that there slaughtering is not illegal.

 

[Falcon29]

Israel may agree to one or two of these conditions, but to all is simply impossible..

I don't think they'd agree to an international airport, nor cessation of military activity over Gaza. Nor the internal affairs you mentioned. Or residents being able to travel to East Jerusalem.

That being said, the rest are humanitarian issues with international monitoring. They need to allow a chance for peace or this has gone too far. It's time for the Arab world to do something.

This is what Israel will never agree to.
Israel never wants Hamas to be in power as there is a chance that the rest of the world may recognize Hamas as a political party. What Israel wants is to keep the "terrorist" level on Hamas to convince the world that there slaughtering is not illegal.

This is exactly the point I was making in another thread. They want the status-quo to remain as it is so they could keep Gaza an 'enemy state' in order or to attack it to achieve political objectives such as interfering in internal Palestinian affairs and trying to demonstrate to the world that they can't have any two state solution.

The world knows they are deliberately playing games this way at the expense of Palestinians lives to further advance their colonial project. Yet nobody seems to care.

 

[HunterKiller]

The world knows they are deliberately playing games this way at the expense of Palestinians lives to further advance their colonial project. Yet nobody seems to care.

The world does not care because Palestine has nothing to offer (do not misinterpret me)

As an Indian, what I think, the reason why Indian government isn't interested in Palestinian lives is because you have nothing to offer to us where as Israel is very helpful in our defense needs. Or leave India, take Russia or Britain etc for example.

People now-a-days are very professional. Until Palestinians make themselves useful to the world, the world is simply going to ignore their cry.

 

[Dillinger]

I don't think they'd agree to an international airport, nor cessation of military activity over Gaza. Nor the internal affairs you mentioned. Or residents being able to travel to East Jerusalem.

That being said, the rest are humanitarian issues with international monitoring. They need to allow a chance for peace or this has gone too far. It's time for the Arab world to do something.




This is exactly the point I was making in another thread. They want the status-quo to remain as it is so they could keep Gaza an 'enemy state' in order or to attack it to achieve political objectives such as interfering in internal Palestinian affairs and trying to demonstrate to the world that they can't have any two state solution.

The world knows they are deliberately playing games this way at the expense of Palestinians lives to further advance their colonial project. Yet nobody seems to care.

Its going to be near impossible, specially with Sisi sitting in Egypt, the MB was very sympathetic towards Hamas whereas Sisi cannot stomach Hamas at all. The Gazans really need to find a more acceptable alternative to Hamas, where the ideology is not populated by extremism (note I do not consider the demand for a two state, 1967 border solution as extremist, I am referring to the clear Islamist overtones which will never work in the international fora), something akin to Mandela and co. Otherwise, at the moment, there are folks within Israel (specially the recently removed deputy defence minister) who are looking at this situation as a god given opportunity to demolish Hamas once and for all thereby altering the political landscape in Gaza significantly.

The world does not care because Palestine has nothing to offer (do not misinterpret me)

As an Indian, what I think, the reason why Indian government isn't interested in Palestinian lives is because you have nothing to offer to us where as Israel is very helpful in our defense needs. Or leave India, take Russia or Britain etc for example.

People now-a-days are very professional. Until Palestinians make themselves useful to the world, the world is simply going to ignore their cry.

Palestinians can't exactly make themselves "useful to the world" under the prevailing circumstances, the first requisite for that would be an actual economy, how in nine hells will they build one up if they don't even have the avenue to exercise economic choices and freedom.

 

[Falcon29]

The world does not care because Palestine has nothing to offer (do not misinterpret me)

As an Indian, what I think, the reason why Indian government isn't interested in Palestinian lives is because you have nothing to offer to us where as Israel is very helpful in our defense needs. Or leave India, take Russia or Britain etc for example.

People now-a-days are very professional. Until Palestinians make themselves useful to the world, the world is simply going to ignore their cry.

I know this, it's an capitalistic ideology. There are offshore gases along the Gaza coast. So the only way this could change is a massive activist campaign.

Or a massive effort by Muslims in the guise of a religious duty to flip this around. Don't know which one is more likely.

 

[HunterKiller]

Palestinians can't exactly make themselves "useful to the world" under the prevailing circumstances, the first requisite for that would be an actual economy, how in nine hells will they build one up if they don't even have the avenue to exercise economic choices and freedom

That's what I tried to imply in my earlier post that Israel will time and again put Gaza under siege to disrupt the economy and also to make sure there is no long time government in Gaza.. That's why they will never agree to remove military assets from border fence area.

 

[jamahir]

would hamas and its brother, ikhwaan ul "muslimoon" ( "muslim" brotherhood ) offer the same 10-year truce to syria?? hamas and mb are part of the 2011 nato invasion of syria, and have killed 150,000 syrian citizens and syrian military and syria police and syrian militias. hamas is trying to assassinate bashar al assad, as they already did with five important syrian government members in 2012.

did mb offer a true to the libyan jamahiriya?? they didn't.

hamas won't stop killing syrians from socialist syria because hamas is a israeli creation and presently supported by iran.

@Syrian Lion @SyrianChristianPatriot

 

[HunterKiller]

I know this, it's an capitalistic ideology. There are offshore gases along the Gaza coast. So the only way this could change is a massive activist campaign.
Or a massive effort by Muslims in the guise of a religious duty to flip this around. Don't know which one is more likely.

@Dillinger is right. Armed resistance won't work anymore. Only a peaceful activist campaign can produce result..

 

[DesiGuy]

palastines should kick hamas out...they are not fighting for the right cause.

 

[Falcon29]

Its going to be near impossible, specially with Sisi sitting in Egypt, the MB was very sympathetic towards Hamas whereas Sisi cannot stomach Hamas at all.

Even if Egypt for example tried discussing this with Israel, would it be possible?

The Gazans really need to find a more acceptable alternative to Hamas, where the ideology is not populated by extremism (note I do not consider the demand for a two state, 1967 border solution as extremist, I am referring to the clear Islamist overtones which will never work in the international fora)

Hamas is moderate. Some people confuse them for being extreme. They are moderate Muslims and Gaza is unlike some extreme parts of the world. Hamas has supported the idea of a two state solution and permanent peace similar to this truce. We need to make it clear though, they gave up power in Gaza.

The PA unity government is supposed to govern in Gaza. And it was moving forward, Qatar was going to pay a portion of the salaries employees of national ministries. Guess what happened? US blocked the transfer.

The US is the sole reason there isn't peace yet. For five major reasons:

1. Vetoing UN resolutions against Israeli illegal activites
2. Arm Israel to teeth with over 4$ a year, this year it has almost reached 5$ billion.
3. They give unconditional political support to Israel
4. Adding to point 4, they can influence the situation by pressuring Israel to end it's settlements/occupation
5. They meddle in Arab affairs, warn Arab nations of consequences if they support the Palestinians. All the money the PA has comes from US aid because the US wants to control them to keep them quiet over Israeli actions. The Arab world is not allowed to fill in the gap or to take international action to condemn Israel's occupation. The US prevents them from doing so through threats and other various methods.

, something akin to Mandela and co. Otherwise, at the moment, there are folks within Israel (specially the recently removed deputy defence minister)

I disagree with you, the past was different. Modern day, there are institutions created for the sole purpose of promoting human rights around the world. This was promised to the world when the UN was created. World leaders at the time told us to look ahead at a brighter future without apartheid, war, or genocide.

The problem isn't the political frame in Gaza. The PA in the West Bank, is as you want. Yet, the West Bank situation is just as bad, even worse considering that the hundreds of thousands of settlers, settlements, and Israeli forces which control every aspect of the Palestinian lives there.

I believe the US is the problem.

palastines should kick hamas out...they are not fighting for the right cause.

This is bigger than the picture you paint.

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The truth is the current conflict has little if anything to do with Hamas or its rockets. It does however have everything to do with the state of Israel’s decades-long policy of occupation, embargo, siege, collective punishment, expropriation, ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Israel’s war is not with Hamas but with the Palestinian people in their entirety, both the 1.5 million in Gaza and the 3 million in the West Bank. It is a war waged every hour of every day there is occupation, checkpoints, and settlements. It is a war waged every hour of every day there is an economic embargo, siege, and collective punishment. It is a war being waged every second of the indignity and humiliation suffered by its victims.

@Dillinger is right. Armed resistance won't work anymore. Only a peaceful activist campaign can produce result..

We are against armed escalation. Let me make that clear. However, we have had wars forced upon us in the past. And Palestinians have horrible memories from the past uprisings in which Israel cracked down on. So we do believe in long calm and moving forward.

Disarming is not sensible unless there are guarantees from the international community to stand behind our cause. If they can guarantee a independent Palestinian state and show us that through actions. This can definitely be discussed,

 

[monitor]

@Dillinger is right. Armed resistance won't work anymore. Only a peaceful activist campaign can produce result..

what result other then a backbone less govt seeks by Israelis . i think instead of so called peace treaty if Arab countries continued their support for armed resistance against Israeli occupation by this time Israel might force to agree for a two state solution . what Arab countries need is to start arming resistance fighter again forgetting their mutual difference at least they need to come to common afford for Palestinian cause .