SuvarnaTeja
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From which part?
Southern Part. I speak South Indian.
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From which part?
It all depends on leadership and how they percolate values downstream. They do have terrific fliers and leadership potential but rumors are that political influence and institutional culture interference is having an impact. Their procurement process was hobbled by bureaucracy and mismanagement of projects(procurement are projects too).
Regardless of the spit shined face the Indian fanboys present here by making tall claims or copy pasting exaggerated links it is a huge mess to fix and really needs some diligent and empowered leadership to create the right impact. In some ways they do mirror the Russians in the sense they have great equipment but training standards aren’t being enforced or coordination is all over the place.
So, yes - what is helping the PAF is the IAF’s own issues. If they overcome it they will wax the floor with the PAF after day 2 of an air war.
Let’s not forget, just be sheer size, momentum and a superpower(some Indian had an orgasm) of a technology growth base in the private sector they are poised(if not focused or prepared) to start competing with China on certain aspects.
That isn’t to take away from the PAF’s own issues and personal fiefdoms delaying or sabotaging projects but I will say the PAF is ever so slightly ahead of the team/training curve vs the IAF…. For now
have been going through the thread, the only thing that I see from Indian members is "western, western, western", which says a lot about their mentality.
Chinese planes are far superior to Russian junk. China flat out refused to buy the SU-35 because it's inferior to domestic aircraft. The J-16D is probably the best 4.5th gen in the world.Those copied Js are not better than Russian SUes.
Lets not go down to their level.Chinese planes are far superior to Russian junk. China flat out refused to buy the SU-35 because it's inferior to domestic aircraft. The J-16D is probably the best 4.5th gen in the world.
Straight from the horses (IAF ACM) mouth. Looks like major issues with SU-30 and MIG-29 fleets where some will start to be retired. This on top of the MIG-21 and Jaguar retirements is really serious for the IAF. 5 years from now a PAF bigger then the IAF!?
“IAF Views Cyber Operations as an Integral Part of all Military Operations. We are Continuously Working to Upgrade these Capabilities at all times.”
In an exclusive interview to <strong>Jayant Baranwal</strong>, Editor-in-Chief, <strong><em>SP’s Aviation</em>, Air Chief Marshal V.R. Chaudhari</strong>, Chief of the Air Staff...www.sps-aviation.com
Did you read the article properly?
Su 30 mki is not going anywhere before 2040.
Up until Syria and couple of weeks ago, it was only western equipment (fighters specifically), that were "battle tested/proven". That's a big selling point. F 15, F a18s.. Rafales, all got a good chunk of that action, never shot down iirc. Just that poor Jordanian guy who got burnt alive and his F-16. The Russians had suffered losses in Syria, but then they were doing a lot more close air and transport and other stuff than just bomb runs.have been going through the thread, the only thing that I see from Indian members is "western, western, western", which says a lot about their mentality.
I think they have 270 SU30s, the rabtor (Raptor for normal people) of the east, the Mini AWACS, and one of the best missile dodgersA former PAF ACM once said, with all different systems and gadgets installed into the SU-30 by the IAF, either it will become a brilliant weapon system or ready for the scrap yard.
When you have over 250 SU-30s at your disposal yet your PM is still crying about a few dozen Rafales, it all becomes too obvious. Other than that, it was often claimed that SU-30 is an overkill for Pakistan and it's meant for China as the MiG-29 is sufficient to take care of entire PAF.... Guess what, when the test came, no MiG-29 was visible in sight.
All people criticizing Soviet Junks should also realise one important thing, no western countries (except France) especially America would not have sold us any advance military equipments until mid 2000s. And also how weak our economy was at that time we couldn't have afford them anyways even if offered. We had no choice back in the day. The only way to compete against Pakistan armed with advance American weapons was to buy Soviet machines. The lesson learnt during 65 war where we had nothing that could stand up against PAF F104 Starfighters.
Calling Russian/Soviet planes junk is quite hypocritical don't you think. The problem with IAF is not the birds but the man flying that bird. You don't have the kind of training and tactics PAF exercise for. We have F7PG which is also derived from Soviet era Mig-21 and we have never said that they are junk. The pilots that fly them know of bird's capability and the tactics required to use them effectively where as in case of IAF there is no cohesion no well thought out planning. I mean Rafael is not goose which lays the golden egg every time. In the end it is the tactics that matter not the bird. As long as IAF blames the bird it will still be a sub par air force not capable of the big leagues.
Hence me mentioning that the pilots know the capabilities of the airplanes and the tactics they used are based on that. The were not actively used in operation swift retorts strike package or the aerial cover package that was deployed but that doesn't mean they were not used at all during state of high tensions after 27th Feb.You are right about the man and tactics being the most important, but F-7P (Maybe even PG) is certainly considered the least important asset in PAF as of now. There is a good reason it was not involved in Swift Retort and a good reason that (despite being much younger) they are being replaced before the older Mirages.
Chinese planes are far superior to Russian junk. China flat out refused to buy the SU-35 because it's inferior to domestic aircraft. The J-16D is probably the best 4.5th gen in the world.