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Any takers for the Ak-12?
didnt seem to impress the Russian army due to its defects in its initial trials and the fact that they already have AK 74s. Pakistan has all four extreme weather conditions almost round the whole year and a gun must be as robust as the standard AK 47.
not sure about the latest news about its performance but I dont see it replacing G3 anytime as a battle rifle. because of the initial setup costs are eye watering.

Don't forget all those muscles will add extra weight for the soldiers to carry - can restrict the movements to a point too.
hehe , bigger muscles dont mean dead weight that means more power to carry weight. have you seen the 100 meters dash sprinters? they are rippling with muscles, are they any slow in their movements?
thrust to weight ratio buddy , thrust to weight. you get tired less, you have more oxygen in your body and you output more..

back to the guns by the way. the cheap but effective option is to adopt an AK family of guns while G3 is gradually phased out. forget the Western guns they are a pig to maintain.
 
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Top 10 Combat Rifles

The combat rifle is the soldier's closest companion. Despite the revolution in battlefield tactics over the past 100 years, it
is still the mainstay of every modern army in the world. Now meet the best of the best,
these are the top ten combat rifles of all time.

10: M14

Type: Semi or Fully Automatic Rifle
Caliber: 7.62 x 51 mm (.30 inch)
Muzzle Velocity: Approximately 2,799 feet per second
Rate of Fire: 700-750 rounds per minute
By the end of World War II, with an American infantry platoon carrying as many as four different weapons -- and four types
of ammo -- the U.S. Army decided to develop a single weapon that could fulfill multiple roles. The result was the M14. First fielded in
1957, the rugged, accurate new rifle had plenty of stopping power with the standard NATO 7.62 mm round. It first saw major action in Vietnam, where soldiers liked its
performance but struggled with the weight of both gun and ammunition. Before long it
was phased out in favor of the lighter M16,but a few frontline units still use the classic weapon, primarily as a sniper rifle.
A U.S. Marine looks over his shoulder at the blazing thatched houses of Duc An, 60 miles
south of Da Nang, after a raid on the village

9: Sturmgewehr 44

Type: Semi or Fully Automatic Assault Rifle
Country of Origin: Germany
Caliber: 7.92 x 33 mm
Cartridge Capacity: 30 rounds
Muzzle Velocity: Approximately 2,133 feet per second
Rate of Fire: 500 rounds per minute
The Wehrmacht hadn't been at war with the Soviet Union for long when it became clear that German infantry with their bolt-action
Mausers were often at a disadvantage in firefights with Russian automatic weapons.
In response, German armament developers came up with a revolutionary new weapon:
the first "assault rifle" (the literal translation of the German Sturmgewehr). The key to its
success was a shorter 7.92 mm round that allowed for effective automatic fire and permitted soldiers to carry sufficient
ammunition. The Sturmgewehr came too late to play a significant role in World War II, but it wins high marks for innovation.

8: 1903 Springfield

Type: Bolt-Action Rifle
Country of Origin: United States
Caliber: 7.62 x 63 mm (.30-06 inch)
Cartridge Capacity: 5 rounds
Muzzle Velocity: Approximately 2,700 feet per second
Rate of Fire: 10 rounds per minute
The relatively poor performance of the Norwegian Krag-Jorgensen rifle used by U.S. troops in the Spanish-American War led
American planners to look elsewhere for a standard infantry weapon. They "borrowed"
the more effective action found on the German 7mm Mauser, added a few modifications, and produced a magazine-fed rifle that boasted phenomenal accuracy.
The 1903 quickly gained a reputation as an outstandingly accurate and powerful firearm -- at the Battle of Belleau Wood in
1918, U.S. Marines armed with Springfields cut down enemy counterattacks from 700 to 800 yards away. The rifle continued in
service through World War II and Korea and even saw combat as a sniper rifle in Vietnam.

7: Steyr Aug

Type: Semi or Fully Automatic Bull-Pup Assault Rifle
Country of Origin: Austria
Caliber: 5.56 x 45 mm (.22 inch)
Cartridge Capacity: 30 and 42 rounds
Muzzle Velocity: Approximately 3,084 feet per second
Rate of Fire: 650 rounds per minute
Looking more like a weapon from a science- fiction movie, the Steyr's only serious "flaw"
is the advanced design that seemed to scare away potential customers after its introduction in 1977. In this radically new "bull-pup" configuration most of the barrel,receiver and action, instead of being in front of the operator's firing hand, is all moved back in the stock, resulting in a remarkably compact weapon that is light and easy to handle. The Steyr also features an interchangeable barrel system, a transparent magazine, and optional left or right shell ejection capability
 
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6: Mauser K98k Carbine


Type: Bolt-Action Rifle
Country of Origin: Germany
Caliber: 7.92 x 57 mm (.30 inch)
Cartridge Capacity: 5 rounds
Muzzle Velocity: approximately 2,822 feet per second
Rate of Fire: 10-15 rounds per minute
First produced at the end of the 19th century, the Mauser 98 was the perfect synthesis of the many innovations that rifles had undergone during the late 19th
century: smokeless powder, clips that could be fed into magazines and, most of all, its superb bolt action that is still the basis for
most modern hunting rifles. The original model 98 was used during World War I to great effect, but when Germany started
rearming in the 1930s the rifle received upgrades that made it lighter and easier to sight and shoot. Inevitably outgunned by
automatic weapons, the Mauser
nevertheless stands as one of the legendary rifles of the modern age

5: FN FAL

Type: Semi or Fully Automatic Rifle
Country of Origin: Belgium
Caliber: 7.62 x 51 mm (.30 inch)
Cartridge Capacity: 20 rounds
Muzzle Velocity: Approximately 2,700 feet
per second
Rate of Fire: 650-700 rounds per minute
Inspired by the Sturmgewehr 44, the Belgian manufacturer Fabrique Nationale (FN) originally developed the FAL around the
same intermediate round used by the German gun, but when NATO issued the requirement for the longer 7.62 mm, FN altered the design and created a heavy hitter
that packs a punch -- and a potent kick. The FAL soon became one of the classic weapons of the Cold War, used by over 50 countries, even if it proved tough to handle
in full auto mode. The rifle gave good service to the Australian army in the jungles of Vietnam, to Israeli troops during the Six-Day
War and was used by both sides in the fight for the Falkland Islands.

4: M1 Garand

Type: Semiautomatic
Rifle Country of Origin: United States
Caliber: 7.62 x 63 mm (.30-06 inch)
Cartridge Capacity: 8 rounds
Muzzle Velocity: Approximately 2,838 feet per second
Rate of Fire: 30 rounds per minute
Adopted by the U.S. Army in 1936, the M1 Garand proved to be a tough, heavy battle rifle when it entered combat five years later.
General Patton remarked at the end of World War II that the M1 may have been the greatest battle implement ever devised. A bit
of a stretch perhaps, but there's no doubt that the M1 was the first successful semiautomatic rifle issued in any quantity that had the ruggedness and accuracy to
dominate the battlefield. Over 6.25 million Garands had been manufactured by the time
it was taken out of service in the early 1960s.

3: Lee-enfield SMLE

Type: Bolt-Action Rifle
Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Caliber: 7.7 x 56 mm (.30 inch)
Cartridge Capacity: 10 rounds
Muzzle Velocity: approximately 2,438 feet
per second
Rate of Fire: 15-20 rounds per minute
The standard infantry weapon of British troops from World War I to the 1956 Suez crisis, the Lee-Enfield SMLE (pronounced"smelly") built its reputation on reliability,
accuracy and a phenomenal rate of fire. Its magazine carried 10 bullets, the largest capacity of any rifle on the battlefield during
the first half of the 20th century. Its short bolt action cocked on closing, and its muzzle cap prevented dirt from clogging the
weapon. In the hands of a well-trained infantryman, the Lee-Enfield could perform what was called the "mad minute," i.e., thirty rounds hitting a target 200 meters distant in one minute, a volume of fire that rivals
modern semiautomatic weapons.

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2: M16


Type: Semi or Fully Automatic Assault Rifle
Country of Origin: United States
Caliber: 5.56 x 45 mm (.223 inch)
Cartridge Capacity: 20-30 rounds
Muzzle Velocity: Approximately 3,281 feet
per second
Rate of Fire: 700-950 rounds per minute
Although it took a little time to work out the gun's jamming problems during its combat
trials in the early 1960s, the M16 has proven to be an outstanding performer with superb accuracy, handling, service length and
combat effectiveness. The rifle fulfilled the U.S. military's desire to develop a lightweight modern assault rifle that could replace the
semiautomatic M1 and its selective-fire counterpart, the M14. Its innovative features
include lighter metal alloy and plastic construction, a simple gas reload system and the use of 5.56 mm ammunition, allowing soldiers to carry twice the amount
of ammunition for the same weight of 7.62 mm rounds.
1: AK-47

Type: Semi or Fully Automatic Assault Rifle
Country of Origin: Soviet Union
Caliber: 7.62 x 39 mm (.30 inch)
Cartridge Capacity: 30 rounds
Muzzle Velocity: 2,329 feet per second
Rate of Fire: 600 rounds per minute
With over 75 million built worldwide, the AK-47 (a.k.a., "Kalashnikov") is a firearms
legend that has probably inflicted more lethal results than any other single weapon system ever produced. Built on the same
basic design as the German Sturmgewehr, it chambered an intermediate round and was
built from stamped parts. The AK-47 was not only easy to produce and relatively cheap, is also
proved remarkably easy to maintain and virtually immune to conditions that could easily take out other guns. Accuracy is
average, but the Kalashnikov compensates for this with its ability to unleash a lethal wall of lead.
 
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POF has let us down with their bullet's quality lately, especially the 9mm rounds.
that was just one batch and happened very recently.
I personally use 9mm 1z allot and found them better then Chinese 9mm, its a different thing, i somehow got 2009 batch from somewhere
 
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@RescueRanger - Did this guy just imply that I'm a midget ? :mad:

Short guys are hard to take seriously, my friend in college was 5'3. Had a big *** afro. When he shaved that bad boy i was rolling in tears. Short people are cute :D

that was just one batch and happened very recently.
I personally use 9mm 1z allot and found them better then Chinese 9mm, its a different thing, i somehow got 2009 batch from somewhere

I use S&B which is the only option we have, NATO 9mm is too hot and most of the new ones are counterfeit. I have been looking for tracers, know a place in Lahore?
 
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hehe , bigger muscles dont mean dead weight that means more power to carry weight. have you seen the 100 meters dash sprinters? they are rippling with muscles, are they any slow in their movements?
thrust to weight ratio buddy , thrust to weight. you get tired less, you have more oxygen in your body and you output more..

Maj. Gen. Mario, all those years chasing Princess Peach has caused you to forget Anatomy.

3 Types of Muscles:
  • Smooth, involuntary muscles mostly within organs
  • Skeleton, anchored to the bones (Muscles of Sprinters)
    • Type I, "Red, Slow Twitch" Carry Oxygen and sustained aerobic exercise
    • Type II, "Fast Twitch" contract quickly, very powerfully but easy to strain, provide only short, anaerobic bursts of activity before muscle contraction becomes painful (What you see in Sprinters)
  • Cardiac, Heart

It comes down to developing the right balance of each certain muscle and developing it to constantly provide nothing less.
 
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Maj. Gen. Mario, all those years chasing Princess Peach has caused you to forget Anatomy.

3 Types of Muscles:
  • Smooth, involuntary muscles mostly within organs
  • Skeleton, anchored to the bones (Muscles of Sprinters)
    • Type I, "Red, Slow Twitch" Carry Oxygen and sustained aerobic exercise
    • Type II, "Fast Twitch" contract quickly, very powerfully but easy to strain, provide only short, anaerobic bursts of activity before muscle contraction becomes painful (What you see in Sprinters)
  • Cardiac, Heart

It comes down to developing the right balance of each certain muscle and developing it to constantly provide nothing less.

now you tell me?

damn all that pumping iron and throwing out after hard drills could have been streamlined had I read this noble post before. have you checked the physique of a typical US or UK marine? generous biceps and thighs, broad shoulders pick up a heavy kit on the back and do a quick march for many miles and can dig up a fox hole within a matter of minutes.

how does it deal with the elements? mud, spoil, sand , snow? heat, cold? moisture? water? not asking for a full AK 47 style dipping and soaking into pool of mud and sand but talking about an occasional or short amount of contact.

other concern I have is its field repair and service.
 
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But then I even the odds whenever we play Rugby - The taller you are the higher your center of gravity & the easier is it to tackle you ! :D

Which position do you play at, 7s, 15s? Played for any clubs?
 
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Which position do you play at, 7s, 15s? Played for any clubs?

Dude I don't do any of that, I play Rugby the way a newbie plays Snooker - Without any idea about the proper nomenclature of any of the things or the finer points of the game !

I just use my upper body strength to bulldoze my way through whenever we - friends or cousins - play it; they play Rugby for some club here in Lahore DHA the name of which I don't know !
 
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Dude I don't do any of that, I play Rugby the way a newbie plays Snooker - Without any idea about the proper nomenclature of any of the things or the finer points of the game !

I just use my upper body strength to bulldoze my way through whenever we - friends or cousins - play it; they play Rugby for some club here in Lahore DHA the name of which I don't know !

Dude you play rugby, how cute! hahah sorry im on a killstreak tonight :D
 
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Dude I don't do any of that, I play Rugby the way a newbie plays Snooker - Without any idea about the proper nomenclature of any of the things or the finer points of the game !

I just use my upper body strength to bulldoze my way through whenever we - friends or cousins - play it; they play Rugby for some club here in Lahore DHA the name of which I don't know !

Hahaha fair enough! Btw that club would be the LRFC, pretty good for Pakistani standards, in fact the best we have along with the Jinns.
 
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5.56 means the person you hit aint going to be down after getting hit
its stopping power is lowers
pakistan army is fighting a very determined enemy
if if injured he is going to fight back till death
which means 5.56 aint the best caliber which means 7.62 is better
BESIDE USA AND NATO IS GOING TO SHIFT TOWARDS 6.8MM cause 5.56 AINT GOOD ENOUGH
beside M4 has a serious jamming problem


5.56 means the person you hit aint going to be down after getting hit
its stopping power is lowers

The 5.56 NATO round stopping power is lower than the 7.62 but for every 7.62 round you precisely fire you can fire multiple 5.56 rounds, and it's stopping power is effective at most combat or fire fight ranges. Also I find it easier to engage multiple targets and deliver follow up shots with a 5.56 round, with a 7.62 round I would recommend the Army use muzzle breaks but that wouldn't be cost effective.


beside M4 has a serious jamming problem

Source? Many of the mil-spec M4's have forward assist and if a jam does occur should be easy to resolve. The G3 also has suffered jams in several tests and situations.

BESIDE USA AND NATO IS GOING TO SHIFT TOWARDS 6.8MM

Not sure if that is true news, but the 6.8 mm Remington is a good mid-way caliber, it has benefits of both the 5.56 and 7.62 caliber.[/quote]



Just a copy of the Armalite and Colt Ar-15, though I do like this weapon a lot one of the most versatile battlefield weapons.
 
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