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Most relevant & apt editorial.

..but is anyone listening?



DAWN.COM | Editorial | Religious violence

Dawn Editorial
Monday, 01 Mar, 2010

Religious holidays in the country are fast becoming marked by violence. Over the weekend, processions celebrating Eid Miladun Nabi in Faisalabad and D.I. Khan were attacked causing death, injuries and mayhem.

Thankfully, the violence was quickly contained and did not rise to the level of terribleness that the country has unfortunately witnessed in recent times. Pakistanis hardly need reminding that the country is in the grip of religious intolerance and violence: the war against militancy has touched every corner of the country inflicting a terrible toll, and for a while certain areas were virtually ceded to the militants without a fight. But there is another, more insidious, religious poison that is spreading, largely unnoticed, across the country, and it is not quite as easy to explain as the territorial ambitions of the Taliban. That poison has pit Sunni against Shia, Deobandi against Barelvi, Muslim against religious minorities — and it defies easy categorisation. The only thing its various strands seem to have in common is a hatred for everything that is ‘different’, where ‘different’ is inevitably judged as an unacceptable deviation and therefore deserving of punishment, even death, in many instances.

Invariably — perhaps suggesting where the cure must first begin — a steady diet of dogmatic preaching is to be found wherever such violence occurs. In Faisalabad, the khatib of a local mosque was arrested on charges of inciting people to violence. It will take great political will but such violent elements need to be purged from the mosques and madressahs, for without that it will not be possible to roll back the tide of hate that is threatening to engulf the country. Nor should it be viewed as some-thing that is impossible to do. After all, only a few years ago, processions such as those witnessed on Saturday were low-key and passed off peacefully.

What is new is the sense of one-upmanship: each group wants to have a bigger and louder affair and is ever keen to rattle or taunt rival groups. In the event, the police and local administrations largely manage to do a good job and keep tensions to a minimum. But that is mere fire-fighting and ends up dealing with only the symptom and not the disease. The infrastructure of hate that has slowly taken hold at the grass-roots level is really what needs to be dismantled. Further delay in initiating that process will only cause the problem to grow in magnitude.
 
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What happened or happening in Indian state "Orrisa" against Christians is also what not forgettable.
 
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What happened or happening in Indian state "Orrisa" against Christians is also what not forgettable.

The topic is nothing to do with India.
Though we accept it was a sad incident and it should be stopped. However putting India into an Pakistan related issues is a typical "head-buried-in-sand" approach. Thanks.
 
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The topic is nothing to do with India.
Though we accept it was a sad incident and it should be stopped. However putting India into an Pakistan related issues is a typical "head-buried-in-sand" approach. Thanks.

mmmmmmmmmm well NO. We are not like Indians to express head burrid in sand approach. Our seriousness to talk about such things can be judged from the sources of the editorial. Pakistani media is far more liberal and unbiased than Indian one.


On a seriouse note if an Indian comes up with posting "Poverty in Pakistan" "AIDS in Pakistan", Child abuse in Pakistan"


Then man you seriously need to look within first to realise can you do so when your own India is plauged with these things.


anyway
 
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mmmmmmmmmm well NO. We are not like Indians to express head burrid in sand approach. Our seriousness to talk about such things can be judged from the sources of the editorial. Pakistani media is far more liberal and unbiased than Indian one.

May I suggest you to read Indian media more often. You can very well say you do but I guess you don't. Everyday Indian media is full of India related issues. We are afterall, selfish people for a reason!! :D

On a seriouse note if an Indian comes up with posting "Poverty in Pakistan" "AIDS in Pakistan", Child abuse in Pakistan"

So do Pakistani media comes up with Muslim's/minority condition, poverty, military expenditure etc.etc. BTW, what is the point.

Then man you seriously need to look within first to realise can you do so when your own India is plauged with these things.

Childish. Do I need to put links to support what GoI is doing to erase its issues.
 
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Most relevant & apt editorial.

..but is anyone listening?

Relevant. Check.
Apt. Check

No one is listening? Wtf?

The whole of defence.pk is committed to promote virtues of tolerance within Pakistan. If you go digging for dirt, you'll find dirt. Pakistan is a big country with a big population. We come in all shapes and sizes.
 
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Relevant. Check.
Apt. Check

No one is listening? Wtf?

The whole of defence.pk is committed to promote virtues of tolerance within Pakistan. If you go digging for dirt, you'll find dirt. Pakistan is a big country with a big population. We come in all shapes and sizes.

The editorial in the Dawn was meant for all those who read it. Not for defence.pk alone.

The contents of the editorial are both relevant & apt...for those who'd listen.
 
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Relevant. Check.
Apt. Check

No one is listening? Wtf?

The whole of defence.pk is committed to promote virtues of tolerance within Pakistan. If you go digging for dirt, you'll find dirt. Pakistan is a big country with a big population. We come in all shapes and sizes.

It is for the purpose of introspection. If you want to ignore such issues, you are doing your bit to push your own country down.

Same goes for citizens of any other nation as well.
 
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mmmmmmmmmm well NO. We are not like Indians to express head burrid in sand approach. Our seriousness to talk about such things can be judged from the sources of the editorial. Pakistani media is far more liberal and unbiased than Indian one.

May I suggest you to read Indian media more often. You can very well say you do but I guess you don't. Everyday Indian media is full of India related issues. We are afterall, deelfish people for a reason!! :D

On a seriouse note if an Indian comes up with posting "Poverty in Pakistan" "AIDS in Pakistan", Child abuse in Pakistan"

So do Pakistani media comes up with Muslim's/minority condition, poverty, military expenditure etc.etc. BTW, what is the point.

Then man you seriously need to look within first to realise can you do so when your own India is plauged with these things.

Childish. Do I need to put links to support what GoI is doing to erase its issues.

Dear ek-indian,

You suggesting him to read Indian Media. . . .:disagree:
24 hours a day, 7 days a week & 365 days a year always propaganda against Pakistan & Islam on Huge Indian Media:angry:

Don`t try to teach us about Indian Media.
I already have many Indian channels among those "Aaj Tak", "STAR NEWS", "ZEE NEWS" etc . . . always being used bad words against Pakistan & Islam and then me and my family just couldn`t believe that why they hate us and Islam too much:disagree:

Even using so bad words against the president of Pakistan.

Why pr today most of indian hate Pakistani`s are what their media always busy to update them with FAKE news and propaganda over Pakistan.

But its sad that Pakistani Media is keep quite over Hindu extremist terrorism against Muslim & Christians:angry:

So you better search that why Huge Indian Media is busy to make propaganda against Pakistan than defend it, boy!

:pakistan:
 
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In Punjab there were always an under current of sectarian (Shia/Sunni & Deobandi /Braelvi) rivalries. This was however never serious and incidents few and far between. The poison spread during the long reign of the bigot Zia, where JI openly collaborated with the Zia regime. Onset of Afghan war proved to be the catalyst in fermenting the current intolerance that has seeped thru out Pakistan.

One of my colleagues is a retired Egyptian Navy Commodore (also veteran of the two Arab/ Israeli wars); during discussions I jokingly blamed Egyptians as responsible for the streak of militancy in modern day Islam. To my amazement he agreed. Syed Qutub (one who justified suicide attacks) as well as Al Zawahari were Egyptians. Apparently Egypt was also burning during the early 80’s with Islamic militants attacking foreign tourists. My friend’s advice is that Pakistanis have only two choices.

1. Either accept militant Sunni Islam as preached by Al Qaeda and Taliban or
2. Crush these elements as Egypt did and follow it up with strict control of what a khateeb can say on the pulpit.

There is no middle way. Despite the fact that I abhor censorship, I have to agree with the Egyptian solution; choice of the lesser evil. Unless we stop madrasahs from teaching intolerance and uneducated khateebs from spread the sectarian hatred from the mosques, things will continue to go from bad to worse. The decision rests with the Pakistani public.

Personally I don’t see the situation getting any better. What can one expect in a country where even the Chief Justice has turned a bigot? CJ has ordered Jamia Hafsa, which was built on illegally occupied land in the first place, to be rebuilt. May be CJ as well as Hamid Mir & Geo Group along with PML (N) would like to see lathi wielding burqa clad women coming out again on the streets of Islamabad. With CJ, media anchors and mainstream political parties like that, does Pakistan still needs India as an enemy?
 
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Dear ek-indian,

You suggesting him to read Indian Media. . . .:disagree:
24 hours a day, 7 days a week & 365 days a year always propaganda against Pakistan & Islam on Huge Indian Media:angry:

Don`t try to teach us about Indian Media.
I already have many Indian channels among those "Aaj Tak", "STAR NEWS", "ZEE NEWS" etc . . . always being used bad words against Pakistan & Islam and then me and my family just couldn`t believe that why they hate us and Islam too much:disagree:

Even using so bad words against the president of Pakistan.

Why pr today most of indian hate Pakistani`s are what their media always busy to update them with FAKE news and propaganda over Pakistan.

But its sad that Pakistani Media is keep quite over Hindu extremist terrorism against Muslim & Christians:angry:

So you better search that why Huge Indian Media is busy to make propaganda against Pakistan than defend it, boy!

:pakistan:

Dear Hawk73:

Please undrstand the context. I was replying to a post which says Indian media is not hilighting certain issues.
I accept your point that Indian media goes overboard sometimes. However there are sane voices as well. This is case with almost every media.

Lastly, India is not the topic of thread. Thanks.

Edit: You should have used "her" instead of him. :)
 
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sad n hurting but its afact....not just in pakistan in india also. gujrat,orissa,nagaland etc....but u know what this is not going to stop suddenly...because we people r big hypocrites....i am hindu..i am muslim...im chirstian..im sikh..........first nthen may be we r indians(if another i'm of marathi,assamese,bengoli doesn't start...............)
so don;t start crying out of country about racism,US is bad,china is bad,pakstan is bad......................
doosro par patthar fekne se pehle apne gireban me jhak ke dekho
 
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Dear Hawk73:

Please understand the context. I was replying to a post which says Indian media is not hilighting certain issues.
I accept your point that Indian media goes overboard sometimes. However there are sane voices as well. This is case with almost every media.

Lastly, India is not the topic of thread. Thanks.

Edit: You should have used "her" instead of him. :)

The way your media behavior against Pakistan pr today is very sad:disagree:

As you may read my early messages that I were member at some Milatry Forums where you got huge Indian Lobby against Pakistan. They always saying poision against Pakistan. When I started to inform the real facts or tried to show that happened or happening in India against Muslims & Christian then I got banned without reasons:disagree:

So, DO NOT be so serious.

I understand what you try to say or suggest here.

But the way India pr today behave against Pakistan all over the world via their entire Huge Media is very sad.

During "Salman Bashir" visit to India, I heard that how bad behavior he got from India:disagree:

Lastly, just few Indian behavior like good neighbors dosen`t help at all my friend.

Yesterday, I saw "Hamid Mir" program on GEO TV and their I saw the clips where BJP, VHP, etc. . . saying so so shameful and bad words against Pakistan. :angry:
 
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