Religious parties offer blood money to Taseer’s family

[haviZsultan]

you know that is very cheap mind of you to think in this way ?? no one think anyone as slave , but problem is that your beloved Sindhi leaders give nothing to their Sindhi people , living in interior , that is why they come to Karachi for work , and as they are not educated , again fault of Sindhi's they find small odd jobs .. and this same goes with Pashtoon , Baloch and others , you can argue that why pathans are selling chai in Karachi , so its urdu speaking fault ?? this is really crazy thinking ...

Well at least we could have been the glue that binds the nation together. We should have helped the Sindhis Balochs and Pashtuns move to a better standard of living but as I said we demanded more and more rights for ourselves. Its clear that cities have a better standard and we control this cities of Sindh (main ones like Karachi and Hyderabad) with an iron hand. I wouldn't say we were responsible but cruelly negligent of the needs of other ethnic communities.

look at us Pakistani when we go in the west , majority have to work in small odd jobs , and once they get their degree; they get good jobs ..

if some Pashtoon come to Karachi from Peshawar , study and work together and than later he become a manager for a bank , i will respect him more than my own brother ... cause this kind of people inspired me ...

At least you respect some other people. Try to defeat the victim mindset. We are in a much, much, much better position as 'mahajirs'. We need to move the rest of the country in this direction as well. It can be done by giving all equal rights.

this is the difference between your mindset and mine ..

What is?

yes i am aggressive , when people deny the truth , and keep their arrogance ... i am like this , you can like it or not ...

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our Identity should be Pakistani , but if you just roam on this forum where you are a TT , you will see the difference ... people wont call you a Pakistani but muhajir or urdu speaking people .. so Taali dono hath se bajti hai janab

That is their mistake. I will always say I am Pakistani first. Everyone . Personally the people I like most is the Punjabis in Pakistan. They are the most critical about their ethnic identity and not so serious about it.

yeah exactly my point .... Quetta , Peshawar is continuously been targeted by Taliban but have you see People of Quetta and Peshawar , acting like you ?? oh please forgive me because from my ethnicity taliban was born ... no they dont cry ... they keep the pride .. and so we do ... but again i dont know who and what ethical background you have ..

I have no pride in an ethnic identity which we and our elders imposed on our selves. I am in reality a Lucknowi not muhajir. Moving from place A to B does not make one a muhajir. If it does Pashtuns in Karachi and Sindhis in Punjab are migrants too.

But again it will be hard to break the barriers of this identity. MQM chauvinists will find even the idea an "aggression against them."

i will Change my mentality when i will see Changes within our society ... this Ethnic problem is like cancer ... you just cant neglect it , and i cant lie for getting some positive ratings or some attention from Moderators ..

Don't stand back when our moment is there. Do not let ethnic identity keep you behind. Live let live, give respect, maintain these identities as inconsequential and we Pakistanis might rule the world.

 

[Dubious]

Well if your time is that important, I wouldn't presume to waste it. But when you assert something like that, you are expected to elaborate and specify what exactly you mean.

I am known to bore people with my details....So this time I prefer my time over entertaining people who are not interested (hence I asked if you really wanna know)

There have been plenty of cases in history, including during Muhammad's time, of diyya being paid to murderers. If you say that this particular case is an exception, you are expected to tell us why it is an exception, without hinting how important your time is.

Ok so now you asked...I will explain it in my next post (with references) right now is tv time....

 

[Mitro]

What you think of this

“We have a key case of Raymond Davis fresh in our memory. The political leadership of the country compromised national security, exploiting the provision in Islam to set that killer [Raymond Davis] free. We are ready to pay much more Khoonbaha (blood money) to the family of Salman Taseer [for Qadri’s release],” said Mr Talib.

They are lucky I'm not Pakistan's leader. I would have these idiots arrested, quartered and THEN executed publicly for treason. Pakistan is filled with fools who support these dumbasses, and I'm sick of it. If the Pakistani public is too stupid to actually think for themselves, and support these barbarians, then Pakistan is already a dead nation. Religious parties need to be banned. If they want to field candidates, or participate in politics, they should form secular parties to represent them.

They use democracy when it suits them, but speak against it almost on a daily basis; it sickens me that they're continued to be tolerated for fear of retaliation, even if I can understand the reasoning. Even though they expressed public support for Pakistan's enemies, they continue to get a free pass, because they have the ability to kill hundreds in minutes, and plunge the country into a deeper civil war.

[edit]: Never have I been as angry towards Pakistan as I have now. If the government doesn't do something soon, I will change my opinion to supporting a military leader instead. If GoP doesn't do something soon, it will be clear that Pakistan is not ready for democracy.

 

[That Guy]

What you think of this

“We have a key case of Raymond Davis fresh in our memory. The political leadership of the country compromised national security, exploiting the provision in Islam to set that killer [Raymond Davis] free. We are ready to pay much more Khoonbaha (blood money) to the family of Salman Taseer [for Qadri’s release],” said Mr Talib.

I think they're fools that would readily sell out to Pakistan's enemies.

Quran and Hadees are book of laws your post showed height of ignorance about Islam Shariah is the term used for orders and laws given in Quran and Sunnah

First of all, it's Hadith, not hadees. Second, no. The Quran is the Word of God, and the Hadith are a collection of witness accounts of the companions of the prophet. Shariah is derived from the Quran and Hadith, thus is interpreted differently according to the different schools of thought. There is a reason why different schools of thought exist, and why there are differences between them. Hanafi, Shafi, Hanbali and Maliki, these are the four Sunni schools of thought, and they differ slightly, because they interpret Shariah in different ways. I'm making a redundant statement here, because I think it is important to make this clear. All four schools are respectable, and technically correct in their own way.

Ignorance? I admit that I don't know everything about Islam, and that I am ignorant of many things, but this is not one of them.

 

[Dubious]

I think they're fools that would readily sell out to Pakistan's enemies.


First of all, it's Hadith, not hadees. Second, no. The Quran is the Word of God, and the Hadith are a collection of witness accounts of the companions of the prophet. Shariah is derived from the Quran and Hadith, thus is interpreted differently according to the different schools of thought. There is a reason why different schools of thought exist, and why there are differences between them. Hanafi, Shafi, Hanbali and Maliki, these are the four Sunni schools of thought, and they differ slightly, because they interpret Shariah in different ways. I'm making a redundant statement here, because I think it is important to make this clear. All four schools are respectable, and technically correct in their own way.

Ignorance? I admit that I don't know everything about Islam, and that I am ignorant of many things, but this is not one of them.

Honestly speaking Shariah is a diverse dynamic topic which has evolved successfully over the years ...sadly, lazy ogres who self proclaim themselves as people with knowledge have stopped this process for a while...

There is actually no 1 book called Shariah, there are a handful of different editions!

@Zarvan this post is for you too!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

No discussion on blood money, says Salmaan Taseer's family - The Express Tribune

Hope he is executed..

 

[Zarvan]

I think they're fools that would readily sell out to Pakistan's enemies.


First of all, it's Hadith, not hadees. Second, no. The Quran is the Word of God, and the Hadith are a collection of witness accounts of the companions of the prophet. Shariah is derived from the Quran and Hadith, thus is interpreted differently according to the different schools of thought. There is a reason why different schools of thought exist, and why there are differences between them. Hanafi, Shafi, Hanbali and Maliki, these are the four Sunni schools of thought, and they differ slightly, because they interpret Shariah in different ways. I'm making a redundant statement here, because I think it is important to make this clear. All four schools are respectable, and technically correct in their own way.

Ignorance? I admit that I don't know everything about Islam, and that I am ignorant of many things, but this is not one of them.

Shariah are laws based on Quran and Sunnah and that were implemented in RASOOL SAW time and 4 caliphs and remain great extent for next 700 years and to some extent later and 4 school thoughts don't have much difference 60 Ulemas from all sects can be brought together told to bring common points and implement them first other wise Taliban and groups like them are going no where

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Whether you like the family or not -they've suffered enough and should be left alone. A lot of us dislike PPP for its corruption and nepotism but that doesnt give anyone the right to kill another citizen just because of his views

From my own personal account - i didnt care for him. But on the issue of amending/repealing this blasphemy law - I would 100% support his views.

They should turn down the blood money and not do what was done to "Settle" that raymond davis affair.

Mumtaz Qadri should be hung for his crime

They are lucky I'm not Pakistan's leader. I would have these idiots arrested, quartered and THEN executed publicly for treason. Pakistan is filled with fools who support these dumbasses, and I'm sick of it. If the Pakistani public is too stupid to actually think for themselves, and support these barbarians, then Pakistan is already a dead nation. Religious parties need to be banned. If they want to field candidates, or participate in politics, they should form secular parties to represent them..

well a lot of those "lawyers" who support Qadri are the same traitors who rallied for "democracy" in 2007 and showed their love for democracy by pelting police and police vehicles with stones. Bunch of low-class, undisciplined hooligans.

 

[Imran Khan]

good law have money kill anyone

 

[That Guy]

Shariah are laws based on Quran and Sunnah and that were implemented in RASOOL SAW time and 4 caliphs and remain great extent for next 700 years and to some extent later and 4 school thoughts don't have much difference 60 Ulemas from all sects can be brought together told to bring common points and implement them first other wise Taliban and groups like them are going no where

That's where the hadith comes in. A lot of the laws that don't come from the Quran, come from the Hadith. The Hadith are a collection of witness accounts, and each account's authenticity is based on a number of factors, including how many times a single account was repeated by a number of companions.

The 4 schools do have differences though, and that's the point. They interpret Shariah in their own unique way, because sometimes completely differ on certain points.

The common points all sects adhere to, it's the points that they don't have in common is what Shariah differs sect to sect. That's is my point. Every Muslim must follow the 5 pillars of Islam, but everything else is interpreted differently according to their school.

Whether you like the family or not -they've suffered enough and should be left alone. A lot of us dislike PPP for its corruption and nepotism but that doesnt give anyone the right to kill another citizen just because of his views

From my own personal account - i didnt care for him. But on the issue of amending/repealing this blasphemy law - I would 100% support his views.

They should turn down the blood money and not do what was done to "Settle" that raymond davis affair.

Mumtaz Qadri should be hung for his crime



well a lot of those "lawyers" who support Qadri are the same traitors who rallied for "democracy" in 2007 and showed their love for democracy by pelting police and police vehicles with stones. Bunch of low-class, undisciplined hooligans.

I disagree. A lot of the lawyers that support Qadri are the same ones that supported Musharraf's rule.

 

[I.R.A]

They also offered to pay blood money to the deceased governor’s family for the acquittal of the self-confessed killer.

This is I believe highly contradictory of them. Either this killing was just (no blood money in that case) or they killed someone innocent and now offer blood money............... so what is it?

They're trying to support a convict that has killed a patriotic Pakistani. They've expressed that they're against military operations against militants. They've made clear that they they are willing to help a murderer, just to undermine the state of Pakistan.
Each and everyone of them should be investigated for terrorism, I can guarantee most of them will be involved in one form or another.

This particular case is from bralevi school of thought and as far as I know they have supported military ops against militants because they themselves have been targeted by these militants.

 

[I.R.A]

There have been plenty of cases in history, including during Muhammad's time, of diyya being paid to murderers.

Spot the error in your statement and you qualify for a lecture on Diyyat.........

If you say that this particular case is an exception, you are expected to tell us why it is an exception, without hinting how important your time is.

I can shed some light on diyyat.................. but first I will have to test your knowledge.

If you are willing than read on and answer my question, otherwise ignore me and stop worrying about diyyat.

How will you explain the term "Fisad Fil Arz or Ardh" ?

 

[janon]

Spot the error in your statement and you qualify for a lecture on Diyyat.........



I can shed some light on diyyat.................. but first I will have to test your knowledge.

If you are willing than read on and answer my question, otherwise ignore me and stop worrying about diyyat.

How will you explain the term "Fisad Fil Arz or Ardh" ?

Sorry, I am not here to be tested, and I am not interested in proving myself worthy of your lecture. This is a forum, and I expect you to behave like a forumite - answer my questions if you want to, or don't answer if you don't want to. Do the tests and exams with somebody who likes such online challenges - I do not.

 

[I.R.A]

Sorry, I am not here to be tested, and I am not interested in proving myself worthy of your lecture. This is a forum, and I expect you to behave like a forumite - answer my questions if you want to, or don't answer if you don't want to. Do the tests and exams with somebody who likes such online challenges - I do not.

First thing Diyyat if ever is to be paid it is to be paid to the family of the one who got killed not the "Murderer" (as you quoted without even looking at what you are saying and whom you are linking it to) but the "Murdered".

Second whatever your rant, don't ask questions if you have least of the idea of what you are talking about, and what I asked you about is a concept which is pretty much linked to "Diyyat's applicability"

Anyways have a nice day.

 

[janon]

First thing Diyyat if ever is to be paid it is to be paid to the family of the one who got killed not the "Murderer" (as you quoted without even looking at what you are saying and whom you are linking it to) but the "Murdered".

Oh dear, that inadvertent error is what you wanted me to realize? Change the 'to' to 'by'. Isn't it bleeding obvious, that compensation is not paid to, but rather by the perpetrators?