Religious clashes erupt in India

[Khalsa]

Yes I have.

You basically said to deal with it, I dont this was a response I was looking for.

 

[Flintlock]

You basically said to deal with it, I dont this was a response I was looking for.

That was my first sentence, yes.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

I am curious.

What is Hinduvta?

I still haven't understood this.

It is wrong to impose any religion on anyone or coerce or allure one into a religion or leave a religion.

In fact, while religion maybe pristine and pure, the clergy are the scoundrels who increase the flock so that the till rings and they lead a more comfortable life. This is more so in organised religions and places of worship of all religions.

 

[Flintlock]

I am curious.

What is Hinduvta?

Hindutva, literally "Hinduness", is the first modern attempt at defining who a hindu is.
Before this, Hindus didn't see themselves as one people, or one religion, but were defined in a negative sense by outsiders, as those who are not Muslim, or not Christian.

The person who first expressed this idea was Veer Savarkar, in his pamphlet titled "Who is a Hindu?" written while he was imprisoned in 1923.

Here is a quote from Wikipedia:

An atheist, Savarkar regards being Hinduism as an ethnic, cultural and political identity. "Hindus", according to Savarkar, are patriotic inhabitants of Bharatavarsha, those who consider India (Bharat) to be their fatherland (pitribhumi) as well as their "holyland" (punyabhumi). Savarkar thus extends the concept of "Hindu" beyond religious adherence to a term of ethnic nationalism and irredentism, identifying Hindus with the inheritors of a postulated Aryan race "indigenous" to Greater India. Sarvakar includes all Dharmic religions in the term "Hindusim" and outlines his vision of a "Hindu Rashtra" (Hindu Nation) as "Akhand Bharat" (United India), purpotedly stretching across the entire Indian subcontinent.

Still quoting wikipedia:

Hindu nationalists have the stated aim of uniting the Hindu society which is plagued by casteism, regionalism, passive religion. They have a positive outlook towards the Dalit community, which they aim to bring to leadership positions in their organizations.[9] They believe that the way Muslims and Hindus have treated each other in the past is a one-way compromise and they intend on making society more balanced and fair towards the majority Hindu population.[10] The BJP has also invited Muslims to be a part of this new society and work with the Hindus, Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs for a better India.

Their aim is to define every Indian as a Hindu - even Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, Muslims. They are all Hindus if they live in India.

Its base idea is to unify Indians across all barriers under one umbrella.

The views of its current exponents on history especially, are controversial, and seek to subvert the truth in order to propagate the image of one undivided India.

It is wrong to impose any religion on anyone or coerce or allure one into a religion or leave a religion.

Religions have been imposed upon people since the beginning of time.

Today, Christians and Muslims use all sorts of cheap tactics - fake miracles, ostracize, bribery, promise of heaven etc. etc. to gain followers.

Christian terrorism in the North East is a huge issue.

Hinduism doesn't convert on principle, since it considers every human as a hindu, regardless of their beliefs.

However, this is fast changing with Hindu leaders trying to compete with the evangelical christians and muslims.

This resulted in the court ban on religious conversions.

In fact, while religion maybe pristine and pure, the clergy are the scoundrels who increase the flock so that the till rings and they lead a more comfortable life. This is more so in organised religions and places of worship of all religions.

Very true.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Well, I am an Indian and that is it.

Nothing beyond.

 

[Khalsa]

Their aim is to define every Indian as a Hindu - even Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, Muslims. They are all Hindus if they live in India.
Its base idea is to unify Indians across all barriers under one umbrella.
The views of its current exponents on history especially, are controversial, and seek to subvert the truth in order to propagate the image of one undivided India.
So if you live in Muslim country, you should be Muslim and if you live in Christian country, you should be Christian?
Sikhs are not Hindus, you should read this book called, HUM HINDU NAHIN. It's an dialoge between a Sikh and Hindu friend.
I have no problem with united India but is it right to you impose your thoughts and beliefs on other people?

Religions have been imposed upon people since the beginning of time.
Today, Christians and Muslims use all sorts of cheap tactics - fake miracles, ostracize, bribery, promise of heaven etc. etc. to gain followers.
Christian terrorism in the North East is a huge issue.
Hinduism doesn't convert on principle, since it considers every human as a hindu, regardless of their beliefs.
However, this is fast changing with Hindu leaders trying to compete with the evangelical christians and muslims.
This resulted in the court ban on religious conversions.

I am very concerned about this trend as well. Christians using money and takins advantage of poor people. There is a hospital in Ludhiana called Christian Medical College. If your operation is going to cost 300,000 and you dont have money, they give you option by converting you to Christianity and reducing your bill. This is just one of many examples.

Just more thing, how the hell you quote sections? I dont know how to do that, I would really appriciate if someone can tell me.

 

[Flintlock]

So if you live in Muslim country, you should be Muslim and if you live in Christian country, you should be Christian?
Sikhs are not Hindus, you should read this book called, HUM HINDU NAHIN. It's an dialoge between a Sikh and Hindu friend.
I have no problem with united India but is it right to you impose your thoughts and beliefs on other people?

Its not. Actually, I am not a supporter of Hindutva. Especially not the way its being used as of today.

I think you misunderstood. The objective isn't to convert everybody to Hinduism.
The objective is to expand the definition of Hindu to include all religious groups within India.

I am very concerned about this trend as well. Christians using money and takins advantage of poor people. There is a hospital in Ludhiana called Christian Medical College. If your operation is going to cost 300,000 and you dont have money, they give you option by converting you to Christianity and reducing your bill. This is just one of many examples.

In Bombay, Christian colleges are introducing 50% reservation for Christians.

I don't have a problem with Christianity. The problem happens when these people use all sorts of tactics to convert people. They are taught to hate hindus and treat them as inferior (thus effectively creating 2 castes).

I was reading an article in a local newspaper about the stuff they do.

I'll give an example:
The priest will bribe the village bus-driver to pretend as if the bus is not starting. After some time, the priest will ask the passengers to alight and pray to some hindu god. The bus still won't start.
Then the priest will ask them to pray to Jesus and viola! The engine starts!

Then they will bribe the village doctor to give fake medicines to hindus and real ones to Christians.

Of course, Hindu priests have been fooling the gullible for centuries, but atleast they don't make them hate their own country and people.

Just more thing, how the hell you quote sections? I dont know how to do that, I would really appriciate if someone can tell me.

There is a quote button above the reply box - right between the picture button and the hash (code) button.

 

[Khalsa]

Its not. Actually, I am not a supporter of Hindutva. Especially not the way its being used as of today.

I think you misunderstood. The objective isn't to convert everybody to Hinduism.
The objective is to expand the definition of Hindu to include all religious groups within India.

Well I guess then we agree to diagree. It's like saying I am not stabing you, I am just trying to poke you with knife.

In Bombay, Christian colleges are introducing 50% reservation for Christians.

I don't have a problem with Christianity. The problem happens when these people use all sorts of tactics to convert people. They are taught to hate hindus and treat them as inferior (thus effectively creating 2 castes).

I was reading an article in a local newspaper about the stuff they do.

I'll give an example:
The priest will bribe the village bus-driver to pretend as if the bus is not starting. After some time, the priest will ask the passengers to alight and pray to some hindu god. The bus still won't start.
Then the priest will ask them to pray to Jesus and viola! The engine starts!
Then they will bribe the village doctor to give fake medicines to hindus and real ones to Christians.
Of course, Hindu priests have been fooling the gullible for centuries, but atleast they don't make them hate their own country and people.

This is very concerning. I live in the west and I see lots of Christian ministries raising money to expant Christianity. They goal to convert 1 million people some even have 100 million target. I am not against people changing thier riligion but thier tactics are very concerning.

There is a quote button above the reply box - right between the picture button and the hash (code) button.

Thank you!!!

 

[Khalsa]

Damn it didnt work.
I guess quoting skill are not that great.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

SA,

There are cahrlatans in all religions and the incident you hve narrated about the bus starting is quite disgraceful a conduct on the part of the priest and I sure would to believe that it was a one off case.

This type of chicanery is not what Christianity stands for, at least, as I understand Christianity.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Khalsa,

If you wish to quote separately from a post i.e. in segments, you have to highlight that segment and press the quote button (which is the last button and which looks like a square with writing and like a blurb of a comic book)

When it appears write what you wish to write as a comment.

Then you repeat the same for other segments.

Having done so, press the submit button and don't forget to say Voila!

 

[Flintlock]

SA,

There are cahrlatans in all religions and the incident you hve narrated about the bus starting is quite disgraceful a conduct on the part of the priest and I sure would to believe that it was a one off case.

This type of chicanery is not what Christianity stands for, at least, as I understand Christianity.

Sir, below the "creamy layer" of Christianity, the turf-war of conversion is fought with far less idealism than you would like to believe.

Conversion is a lucrative business for priests, after all, which priest doesn't want more followers?

The most common methods to win people over are usually fake healings, fake miracles, proving that the old faith is inferior or the "devil's work", etc. etc.

The sureshot way to win more followers is to get elected in local elections.
They one can have the full local state apparatus engaged in the holy task of "enlightening" the heathens.

Not that Hindus are very far behind. The cheap Charlatans like Sathya Sai Baba and innumerable less famous tricksters also go around performing miracles and healings to impress gullible villagers.

Of course, there are sincere gurus, worthy of respect, like Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. But they are few.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

SA,

I am not saying that you are not quoting a true incident. Its just that these type of chaps are a disgrace to the religion as much as the CM of Andhhra who attempt to low key that he is a Christian.

I don't say one must wear his religion on his sleeve. All I say is that don't fudge in the name of religion if indeed you feel that religion and your God is so pure and divine.

That is why I claim I have NO religion. It has been reduced to a mockery and a business for the priestly class in ALL religions.

God has been reduced to a product on sale and exploitation by the scoundrels and religion is merely a brand that is marketed.

The genuine devout who are a peaceful lot are left in consternation and disbelief!!