Religious circumcision of kids a crime - German court

[Hack-Hook]

Adults circumcision is not objected anywhere. Like in zimbabwe they are doing this:-

Zimbabwe Lawmakers Get Circumcised in AIDS Fight :: EDGE on the Net

So why do you suggest to cut that? and it that a natural organ of baby and that if not cut, baby will have it for his whole life?

Adult circumcision don't have half the benefits of doing it in newborns and is more complicated

and I suggest cutting the umbilical cord for the exact same reason that I suggest circumcision , it help things be more simple , help the kid be healthier and get less infection and blah blah blah blah

I can go for a long time , but there is one different between this two , by circumcising you'll help the child to stay healthier for all its life , but cutting or not cutting the cord is a matter of 2-3 week and it made things complicated and messy for a short time .

Atleast it does not holds in Germany.

And those who cannot afford to wash themselves daily, I doubt they will get it done under proper care, unlike barbers in Pakistan who use one knife for whole town without sterilizing it.

well even in the heart of Europe not all people wash themselves after doing it and the majority of people who do it do it in the next morning after several hours of relaxing sleep

 

[RuheTag]

by circumcising you'll help the child to stay healthier for all its life ,

Like not being circumcized will make the child sick whole life?

If this were the case, more than 80% of Germany's population would have been sick and should die early. But surprizingly on average they live longer than majority of circumcized asians.. So does it has to do anything with circumcision?

well even in the heart of Europe not all people wash themselves after doing it and the majority of people who do it do it in the next morning after several hours of relaxing sleep

Thats a personal choice of anybody whether somebody wants to remain cleane or not. Even circumcised may not wash themselves.

And those who are not circumcised, if you ask them if they want to get circumcised by telling this hygeine benefit,, would they agree with you to cut front skin of their penis?

 

[ice_man]

Like not being circumcized will make the child sick whole life?

If this were the case, more than 80% of Germany's population would have been sick and should die early. But surprizingly on average they live longer than majority of circumcized asians.. So does it has to do anything with circumcision?



Thats a personal choice of anybody whether somebody wants to remain cleane or not. Even circumcised may not wash themselves.

And those who are not circumcised, if you ask if they want to get circumcised by telling this hygeine benefit,, would they agree with you to cut front skin of their penis?

so you saying circumcision and non circumcision are EQAULLY healthy! in terms of STDs and UTIs??? & cutting umbilicol cord is also a personal prefrence?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Like not being circumcized will make the child sick whole life?

If this were the case, more than 80% of Germany's population would have been sick and should die early. But surprizingly on average they live longer than majority of circumcized asians.. So does it has to do anything with circumcision?

well they more frequently get UTI .
in our textbook its stated if a circumcised male get UTI ,even in the first episode we need to do advenced diagnostic tests to find why but if he is uncircumcised , we do that only if the UTI repeat itself

by the way have you entered other factors like General level of hygiene and education and ...... in your comparison ?

 

[RuheTag]

So it is okay to cut an organ to reduce the risk of any disease? i.e. Rather advising people to use condoms in unprotected sex or asking them to refrain from unprotected sex, one should cut everybody's penis,,, to prevent lices in hair especially women, everybody (incl. Women) should be skin headed because not everybody can wash'/clean themselves today?

And because kidneys might get a stone later in life, remove a child's kidney?

and women might develop breast cancer, remove her breasts when she is born?

 

[Luffy 500]

What kinds of aliens are these westerners? Homosexuality and abortion is legal but circumcision is illegal. What kind of retarded
morons are they. But they have this strange superiority complex about their culture and ways of life is the best and are champions of human rights. They want to take the whole world down the drain with them. West is run ignorant retards.

 

[Hack-Hook]

So it is okay to cut an organ to reduce the risk of any disease? i.e. Rather advising people to use condoms in unprotected sex or asking them to refrain from unprotected sex, one should cut everybody's penis,,, to prevent lices in hair especially women, everybody (incl. Women) should be skin headed because not everybody can wash'/clean themselves today?

And because kidneys might get a stone later in life, remove a child's kidney?

and women might develop breast cancer, remove her breasts?

in general health , we never have one solution , all preventive measures must be consist of several layer , otherwise they'll fail and circumcision is only one layer.

let ask you if you ban circumcision , why not ban Formula and order all mother to breast feed their children and I assure you if i want to count benefits of breast feeding and dangers of formula it'd be several pages , by the way there is consensus in medical community that breast feeding is far far far far better than formula and all the companies that produce these formulas are lying about their products and all is false advertising.

So it is okay to cut an organ to reduce the risk of any disease? i.e. Rather advising people to use condoms in unprotected sex or asking them to refrain from unprotected sex, one should cut everybody's penis,,, to prevent lices in hair especially women, everybody (incl. Women) should be skin headed because not everybody can wash'/clean themselves today?

And because kidneys might get a stone later in life, remove a child's kidney?

and women might develop breast cancer, remove her breasts?

in general health , we never have one solution , all preventive measures must be consist of several layer , otherwise they'll fail and circumcision is only one layer.

let ask you if you ban circumcision , why not ban Formula and order all mother to breast feed their children and I assure you if i want to count benefits of breast feeding and dangers of formula it'd be several pages , by the way there is consensus in medical community that breast feeding is far far far far better than formula and all the companies that produce these formulas are lying about their products and all is false advertising.

 

[RuheTag]

What kinds of aliens are these westerners? Homosexuality and abortion is legal but circumcision is illegal. What kind of retarded
morons are they. But they have this strange superiority complex about their culture and ways of life is the best and are champions of human rights. They want to take the whole world down the drain with them. West is run ignorant retards.

The funny thing is the intelligent eastners do beg for aid and textile qouta's from these retards, and large population of proud Asians struggles hard to get visas of retarded countries.

 

[fallstuff]

Use some common sense! Getting circumcised or not does not harm the child, not getting vaccination may kill the child.

Actually there is a corelation between vaccination and autism. This is a huge debate in USA.

Many autistic folks blame their predicament on vaccines. Way more Than folks having complications related to circumcision.

 

[RuheTag]

in general health , we never have one solution , all preventive measures must be consist of several layer , otherwise they'll fail and circumcision is only one layer.

let ask you if you ban circumcision , why not ban Formula and order all mother to breast feed their children and I assure you if i want to count benefits of breast feeding and dangers of formula it'd be several pages , by the way there is consensus in medical community that breast feeding is far far far far better than formula and all the companies that produce these formulas are lying about their products and all is false advertising.

in general health , we never have one solution , all preventive measures must be consist of several layer , otherwise they'll fail and circumcision is only one layer.

let ask you if you ban circumcision , why not ban Formula and order all mother to breast feed their children and I assure you if i want to count benefits of breast feeding and dangers of formula it'd be several pages , by the way there is consensus in medical community that breast feeding is far far far far better than formula and all the companies that produce these formulas are lying about their products and all is false advertising.

The preventive measures should not remove any part of body unless a medical neccassity. If the foreskin needs to be removed because of any infection or anything thing like that, it should be removed. But as a preventive measure, I dont see the point given that there is no imminent risk of anything.

Breast feed is another thing. Breast feeding is a choice of a women to give her milk to her baby. Definately breast feeding is better than anything else. State should not interfere if a women wants to feed her baby with her milk or milk from market.

 

[saix]

Actually there is a corelation between vaccination and autism. This is a huge debate in USA.

Many autistic folks blame their predicament on vaccines. Way more Than folks having complications related to circumcision.

The study that showed the link between vaccines and autism was later debunked. The media promoted the idea too much so many people still believe their is a link although no study has shown one. Also somewhat related to this thread is that most US states allow people to avoid mandatory vaccination by claiming it is against their religion. However this does pose a risk to other people so it is controversial since people started using the religious exemption after the media showed the links between autism and vaccines. People should now be aware that vaccines and autism are not related.
Autism and Vaccines: Lancet Retracts Controversial Autism Paper - ABC News

 

[Ahmad]

Like I said: it's of non importance.

I think for desparate africans who are suffering from HIV virus, even small things can be of significance. and the research has shown that, circumcision reduces the risk of catching the virus upto 60%, i think we shouldnt ignore that.

 

[lem34]

Circumcision of an adult male is the real crime...

Whoever disagrees is obviously not either an adult or a male.

But if an adult male is consenting say if there is a convert who wishes to be circumcised are you suggesting it should not be allowed?

 

[ice_man]

@ ruhe tag

umbilical cord removal is not necessary and yet still removed. but foreskin which might cause baby UTIs and STDs should be kept interesting!

 

[RuheTag]

@ ruhe tag

umbilical cord removal is not necessary

Check with an independent medical specialist if this is true.