Rejecting an alleged miracle of Ghous Pak Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jillani leads to being beaten up by charged crowd

[PakAlp]

please cite us a verse which enjoins all of the abovementioned

Apologies, didn't mean to ignore you.
Holy Quran is very clear, Allah azzawajal commands us to follow the path of those who have Allah almighty bounties blessed upon them, who are these people? These are the blessed people of Allah almighty, the Prophet peace be upon him, the Sahaba Ra, The ahle bayt Ra, the great ulema of Islam. Its also mentioned in many hadith the blessed generations are the first 3 hundred years. This is when great Imams of Islam were born such as Imam Abu Hanifa, Shafi, Hanbal, Malik, Bukhari, Muslim etc.

No point debating about it but I'll share some info i found for you.

Believers are told in the Quran to obey the Sunnah of the Prophet (S.A.A.S)

The Sunnah is indivisible from the Quran, for it is the living interpretation of the Quran by Prophet Muhammad (saas), the possessor of great moral values who had such great consideration for believers that he would become distressed when they were troubled and would relieve them of their...

www.minhaj.org

This is a video I found on Taqleed, which means to follow one of the 4 fiqhs which are based on the Quran and Sunnah. The ulema made Islam simple for us, alhamdulillah the 4 fiqh are still surviving from the time of Salaf.

 

[Jazzbot]

Ghaus-e-Pak is highly revered by Sunni Muslims.

Same would be said about this joker in a few decades from now:

If some idiots want to believe in these fabricated fairy tales then it's their choice, but don't impose it on others and expect everyone to keep quiet about it. No one is sacred except prophets and sahaba.

 

[Mentee]

Apologies, didn't mean to ignore you.
Holy Quran is very clear, Allah azzawajal commands us to follow the path of those who have Allah almighty bounties blessed upon them, who are these people? These are the blessed people of Allah almighty, the Prophet peace be upon him, the Sahaba Ra, The ahle bayt Ra, the great ulema of Islam. Its also mentioned in many hadith the blessed generations are the first 3 hundred years. This is when great Imams of Islam were born such as Imam Abu Hanifa, Shafi, Hanbal, Malik, Bukhari, Muslim etc.

No point debating about it but I'll share some info i found for you.

Believers are told in the Quran to obey the Sunnah of the Prophet (S.A.A.S)

The Sunnah is indivisible from the Quran, for it is the living interpretation of the Quran by Prophet Muhammad (saas), the possessor of great moral values who had such great consideration for believers that he would become distressed when they were troubled and would relieve them of their...

www.minhaj.org

This is a video I found on Taqleed, which means to follow one of the 4 fiqhs which are based on the Quran and Sunnah. The ulema made Islam simple for us, alhamdulillah the 4 fiqh are still surviving from the time of Salaf.

Brother Al Quran didn't just leave us guessing about the path of the righteous by making a generic statement but also explained in detail the do's and don't's of the righteous ones.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Same would be said about this joker in a few decades from now:



If some idiots want to believe in these fabricated fairy tales then it's their choice, but don't impose it on others and expect everyone to keep quiet about it. No one is sacred except prophets and sahaba.

A crucial aspect to consider regarding matters of faith is the sanctity of what others hold to be sacred.

If you hold the view that it is acceptable to mock Auliya Ikram and reject Karamat as fanciful tales, then you have no right to object when others deride the messengers of Allah and reject the miracles of Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad as fabricated fairy tales, arguing that only the idiots would believe in them.

Furthermore, You advocate for the reverence of Sahaba, despite historical evidence suggesting that some of them acted contrary to the teachings of Muhammad. Yet, you are quick to dismiss the beliefs of others and belittle their sacred figures. This double standard is both illogical and unfair.

 

[S.Y.A]

Same would be said about this joker in a few decades from now:

If some idiots want to believe in these fabricated fairy tales then it's their choice, but don't impose it on others and expect everyone to keep quiet about it. No one is sacred except prophets and sahaba.

respectfully disagree on some points, while most of the stories are indeed fabricated, karamaat do occur from people other than Anbiya Alaihissalam. All we can do is figure out which narrations are from people who are trustworthy.

Even the Quran mentions the tale of ashaab e Kahf, and how they were made to sleep for years on end. Quran also mentions the story of throne of queen of saba, which was brought before Prophet Sulaimaan AS by one of his courtiers. Prophet Sulaimaan AS or a jinn didnt bring the throne, a human being in company of the Prophet with knowledge of the book did. This does not negate the Prophethood nor does it reduces the station of a Prophet AS. A wali, no matter how many karamaat occur on his hands, will always remain below Prophets AS and the Sahabah, even those who had no miracles.

following is a fatwa from the famous salafi website islamqa, the salafis are considered to be hardliners in this regards, and they too accept that karamaat can occur:

Karaamaat (miracles) that happened to some righteous people - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

At Tahaawi, cited by this fatwa, was an eminent Hanafi jurist, whose work on aqeedah is still read and studied by muslims around the world and is considered and authority in matters of aqeedah. His approach, mentioned in the link given above, is the best one: "We believe in what is narrated of their karaamaat that is proven to be narrated from trustworthy narrators. "

 

[Jazzbot]

A crucial aspect to consider regarding matters of faith is the sanctity of what others hold to be sacred.

No. That applies on religious faiths and core believes. Not on fairy tales.

If you hold the view that it is acceptable to mock Auliya Ikram and reject Karamat as fanciful tales, then you have no right to object when others deride the messengers of Allah and reject the miracles of Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad as fabricated fairy tales, arguing that only the idiots would believe in them.

Nobody mocks the so called Auliya, they just question the fairy tales that even those Auliya are not aware about themselves.

And how can you compare any random guy who was declared Wali by other random people with messengers of Allah like Moses, Muhammad (pbuh) etc? The miracles of Prophets are documented in Quran and other holy scriptures. Comparing those miracles with random fairy tales that have no evidence or value is plain stupidity.

Furthermore, You advocate for the reverence of Sahaba, despite historical evidence suggesting that some of them acted contrary to the teachings of Muhammad. Yet, you are quick to dismiss the beliefs of others and belittle their sacred figures. This double standard is both illogical and unfair.

How Sahaba's actions are relevant here when the subject is the fairy tales? Did anyone claim any such fairy tales about Sahaba? Please enlighten me if that's the case.

while most of the stories are indeed fabricated, karamaat do occur from people other than Anbiya Alaihissalam. All we can do is figure out which narrations are from people who are trustworthy.

Any who defines trustworthiness of someone? Some braindead molvi?

Even the Quran mentions the tale of ashaab e Kahf, and how they were made to sleep for years on end. Quran also mentions the story of throne of queen of saba, which was brought before Prophet Sulaimaan AS by one of his courtiers. Prophet Sulaimaan AS or a jinn didnt bring the throne, a human being in company of the Prophet with knowledge of the book did.

For God sake, stop comparing the tales mentioned in Quran with the nonsense these idiots paddle. This is like comparing apples with oranges.

Quran is a holy scripture where every word is from Allah himself and there is zero room of mistake or falseness. There were miracles during the times of Prophets, even Angels used to come and meeting / talk with humans (Prophets). All of that is now gone after last Prophet Muhammad, and doesn't happen anymore.

If today someone claims that he communicated with an Angel then it's just a fairy tale because no such thing happens anymore.

 

[S.Y.A]

There were miracles during the times of Prophets, even Angels used to come and meeting / talk with humans (Prophets). All of that is now gone after last Prophet Muhammad, and doesn't happen anymore.

you have a proof for that claim?

 

[Jazzbot]

you have a proof for that claim?

You need to read quran, try with translation this time please.

 

[S.Y.A]

You need to read quran, try with translation this time please.

please post the ayat to backup your claim. what i have mentioned are stories from the Quran that prove that miracles can happen through people other than Prophets AS. as well as opinions from different schools of thought (even the Salafis, whose understanding is mostly rooted in taking directly from the Qurana and Ahadith). you have provided nothing to backup your claim.

you are basically going against the ijma of entire ummah, even the salafis.

 

[M. Sarmad]

No. That applies on religious faiths and core believes. Not on fairy tales.

You have completely missed the point. Your interpretation of certain stories as "fairy tales" may differ from that of others, who view them as integral components of their faith. Similarly, there are those who may regard your own faith and beliefs as merely a belief in non-existent entities and mythical stories. It is essential to recognize and respect that different individuals hold diverse beliefs and values, and it is not our place to diminish or belittle them.

 

[Dr-who]

If the saints are given miracles by Allah then does that mean we make shrines for them and ask them for help even though they are not alive
Why didn’t sahaba take Barakah from the prophet pbuh after he had passed away?
Why didn’t the laymen take barakah from the sahaba like the righteous khalifas ?
Nowadays we the baba who went for umrah and everyone taking him as a saint, does it make any sense?

 

[Super Falcon]

Chutiya qom, worshipping fraudsters of their time.

These were saints and help the humanity understand İslam before writting your poison read about these honourable people after what people did on their name has nothing to do with their teachings