Reinventing the Nation: Made in China 2025

[AndrewJin]

true. Plus I don't believe that shoe making require a lot of R&D . From what I know, it's all about marketing. Chinese shoe makers need to associate their brand with more world re-known athletes.

That's what they are doing now, u can even find them funding athletes abroad.

If u go to Everest Base Camp, u can see more and more climbers are using Chinese brands. U know those products are basically produced in the same factory as North Face and Jack Wolfskin. It's all about the brand.

 

[Echo_419]

Some folks need to understand that Made in China 2025 is China's equivalent of Germany's Industry 4.0. It is an integrated plan to achieve smart, integrated and efficient manufacturing.

Keep in mind that it is a plan drafted by the world's one of the most efficient governments that often delivers better and earlier results.

Just look at the poverty reduction numbers of Millennium Goals by the UN. Take China out, there is very little progress being done by the rest of the developing nations over the past 15 years.

China is the true emblematic of scientific governance.

So I have full confidence that China will deliver Made in China 2025 vision successfully.

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Perhaps it is under Power Equipment category.

Impressive I am always amazed by Chinese progress, hopefully under Modi we will be able to emulate your experience in Manufacturing

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Impressive I am always amazed by Chinese progress, hopefully under Modi we will be able to emulate your experience in Manufacturing

Its not about who is in charge or even the political party. Its the population and their inclination to perform and be competitive.

The government represents the population and the mandate of heaven to rule is also decided by the population. Strengthen from the base of the pyramid, not a strong tip built on flimsy masonry.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Hehe, So you don't know, you don't know who is the leader while talking about comprehensive manufacturing power(Or don't want accept it),

Manufacturer should manufacture the good with low cost, with proper quality, that's the point, technology, skill, managing, labor and other resource all work for it, in fact, what you talk about is not manufacturing power, don't compare APPLE with Foxconn.

Just so that you know, it is not be reaching this conclusion, it is the Chinese Government and most of everyone as well.

And you can look at any sector. Let's say robotics. Right now, most of Chinese robotics manufacturers are basically assembling foreign parts. Almost all lack core technology.

Yes, manufacturing means producing things with lost cost, and appropriate etc. But that's the point. There is demand for everything, and China occupies the bottom niche. China doesn't produce things that are higher above in the value chain, which require more skills, quality, and tech.

 

[AndrewJin]

Its not about who is in charge or even the political party. Its the population and their inclination to perform and be competitive.

The government represents the population and the mandate of heaven to rule is also decided by the population. Strengthen from the base of the pyramid, not a strong tip built on flimsy masonry.

I'm pretty sure the mayor of my city is much more hardworking than Modi.
He is also traveling around the world to seek opportunities (I'm not being sarcastic).
I think a team is much more important than a single person, effective executive teams of every layer of the government.
Talking about the districts of my city, one district had successfully convinced IKEA to build the biggest IKEA mall over another district and now it is successfully running with several hundred restaurants inside providing thousands of jobs. Its success leads to another fierce competition of several district governments to build a second mall in the suburbs.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

I'm pretty sure the mayor of my city is much more hardworking than Modi.
He is also traveling around the world to seek opportunities (I'm not being sarcastic).
I think a team is much more important than a single person, effective executive teams of every layer of the government.
Talking about the districts of my city, one district had successfully convinced IKEA to build the biggest IKEA mall over another district and now it is successfully running with several hundred restaurants inside providing thousands of jobs. Its success leads to another fierce competition of several district governments to build a second mall...

Strong and hardworking people get strong hardworking leaders.

Ideally that is. A double edge sword.

Corrupt and pretentious people get corrupt and pretentious leaders.

China's strength comes from the Chinese people. China's biggest enemy also comes from the Chinese people.

 

[sweetgrape]

Just so that you know, it is not be reaching this conclusion, it is the Chinese Government and most of everyone as well.

And you can look at any sector. Let's say robotics. Right now, most of Chinese robotics manufacturers are basically assembling foreign parts. Almost all lack core technology.

Yes, manufacturing means producing things with lost cost, and appropriate etc. But that's the point. There is demand for everything, and China occupies the bottom niche. China doesn't produce things that are higher above in the value chain, which require more skills, quality, and tech.

I don't know whether you really know what's manufacturing power, I have said, don't compare Foxconn with Apple, but you did.

Foxconn assmble Iphone with foreign component, can't change the fact it is biggest and most powerful OEM manufacturer, and leader in its field, Apple also don't manufacturer most of components of Iphone, but can't change the fact APPLE's leader in its field.

First learn, what's manufacturing power, And tell me, talking about comprehensive manufacturing power, who is leader? don't talk from here to there.

And you said China doesn't product higher value things, Are Iphone, BMW, BENZ, HSR, Airbus, Nuclear reactor, LNG ship? you want tell me they are not Chinese brands? hehe, you really don't know what's industralization and manufacturing power.

 

[TaiShang]

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

I don't know whether you really know what's manufacturing power, I have said, don't compare Foxconn with Apple, but you did.

Foxconn assmble Iphone with foreign component, can't change the fact it is biggest and most powerful OEM manufacturer, and leader in its field, Apple also don't manufacturer most of components of Iphone, but can't change the fact APPLE's leader in its field.

First learn, what's manufacturing power, And tell me, talking about comprehensive manufacturing power, who is leader? don't talk from here to there.

And you said China doesn't product higher value things, Are Iphone, BMW, BENZ, HSR, Airbus, Nuclear reactor, LNG ship? you want tell me they are not Chinese brands? hehe, you really don't know what's industralization and manufacturing power.

Lol, dude I have more than got your logic, and it is a big fat lie. Firstly, foreign companies setting up factories in the country count to a very limited extent. Also, when one is talking about manufacturing power, the design and technology FOR that manufacturing is also included.

Then, you want to talk, let's talk.

You first mention iPhone. Let's talk iPhone then. Who manufactures the chip set, and the whole electronics suite? Apple designs its chip, which is fabricated in Taiwan. Memory? Samsung or Hynix usually. Glass? Corning. Screen? Samsung/Sharp.

What Foxconn usually does is to manufacture the body, and then assemble all of this. (And even Foxconn is not exactly a local Mainland Chinese company. It is domiciled on a territory that is not under your control)

Let's talk LNG Ships. The leading and most advanced manufacturers of LNG ships remain the Koreans, and Japanese. Chinese ship building sector has actually lost its order share in the market.

Even for the LNG ships manufactured by China, most of the parts are supplied by foreign companies, some even not made in China. Propulsion is usually supplied by MAN, or Warstila, or Rolls Royce.

Look at all the below articles to find out the list of suppliers:

http://www.oedigital.com/component/k2/item/12122-the-switch-gets-lng-vessel-work

http://www.ship-technology.com/news...tenance-services-for-clsicos-six-lng-vessels/

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...-for-two-chinese-built-lng-tankers&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...rders-abb-systems-for-lng-carriers&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...o-have-fuel-sharing-man-df-engines&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...ns-picked-four-lng-carrier-quartet&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...build-new-lng-containership-family&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...-class-first-lnt-a-box-lng-carrier&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...to-power-lng-fueled-pctc-newbuilds&Itemid=230

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...4-engine-order-for-yamal-lng-ships&Itemid=230


Essentially many very important components are being imported, or used of foreign suppliers: Propulsion, Electric Systems etc. (If you want I can just keep giving you links, even Chinese sources themselves appreciate the difficulty, and dependence on suppliers.) Not that there is anything wrong with this, this is the way one grows.

You are talking about Air Bus? This is beyond hilarious. Airbus only has a finishing and maintenance center in China. Most of the core parts are imported. Don't even talk about Aviation Industry, where US and Europe are far ahead. If in any doubt just see the commerical market position of Chinese brands versus Boeing or Airbus. (Even for C 919, a hell lot of components are produced elsewhere.)

I can just go on. I am a training chemical engineer, and in chemical engineering almost all technology is licensed by China.

 

[empirefighter]

No need to argue more，today is not 2025. We of course know our weakness，but our advantages are also very obvious，actually，our biggest advantage is our Party which gives us full comfidence，and as a foreigner you will never understand it. Time will prove who is right.

Lol, dude I have more than got your logic, and it is a big fat lie. Firstly, foreign companies setting up factories in the country count to a very limited extent. Also, when one is talking about manufacturing power, the design and technology FOR that manufacturing is also included.

Then, you want to talk, let's talk.

You first mention iPhone. Let's talk iPhone then. Who manufactures the chip set, and the whole electronics suite? Apple designs its chip, which is fabricated in Taiwan. Memory? Samsung or Hynix usually. Glass? Corning. Screen? Samsung/Sharp.

What Foxconn usually does is to manufacture the body, and then assemble all of this. (And even Foxconn is not exactly a local Mainland Chinese company. It is domiciled on a territory that is not under your control)

Let's talk LNG Ships. The leading and most advanced manufacturers of LNG ships remain the Koreans, and Japanese. Chinese ship building sector has actually lost its order share in the market.

Even for the LNG ships manufactured by China, most of the parts are supplied by foreign companies, some even not made in China. Propulsion is usually supplied by MAN, or Warstila, or Rolls Royce.

Look at all the below articles to find out the list of suppliers:

http://www.oedigital.com/component/k2/item/12122-the-switch-gets-lng-vessel-work

http://www.ship-technology.com/news...tenance-services-for-clsicos-six-lng-vessels/

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...-for-two-chinese-built-lng-tankers&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...rders-abb-systems-for-lng-carriers&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...o-have-fuel-sharing-man-df-engines&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...ns-picked-four-lng-carrier-quartet&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...build-new-lng-containership-family&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...-class-first-lnt-a-box-lng-carrier&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...to-power-lng-fueled-pctc-newbuilds&Itemid=230

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...4-engine-order-for-yamal-lng-ships&Itemid=230


Essentially many very important components are being imported, or used of foreign suppliers: Propulsion, Electric Systems etc. (If you want I can just keep giving you links, even Chinese sources themselves appreciate the difficulty, and dependence on suppliers.) Not that there is anything wrong with this, this is the way one grows.

You are talking about Air Bus? This is beyond hilarious. Airbus only has a finishing and maintenance center in China. Most of the core parts are imported. Don't even talk about Aviation Industry, where US and Europe are far ahead. If in any doubt just see the commerical market position of Chinese brands versus Boeing or Airbus. (Even for C 919, a hell lot of components are produced elsewhere.)

I can just go on. I am a training chemical engineer, and in chemical engineering almost all technology is licensed by China.

No need to argue more，today is not 2025. We of course know our weakness，but our advantages are also very obvious，actually，our biggest advantage is our Party which gives us full comfidence，and as a foreigner you will never understand it. Time will prove who is right.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

No need to argue more，today is not 2025. We of course know our weakness，but our advantages are also very obvious，actually，our biggest advantage is our Party which gives us full comfidence，and as a foreigner you will never understand it. Time will prove who is right.

Exactly. I know that China, even CCP knows the real scenario. It is only ultra-nationalist people here who try to jump on the China is already best train.

I have full confidence that China will be able to ride up the value chain. I am just saying that RIGHT NOW, it is not happening fast enough.

 

[Grevion]

China already had a Industrial Revolution in the 90s so this is about the transformation of Chinese economy from a producer of lower end cheap but yet efficient quality manufacturer to a technologically advanced and high quality product manufacturing economy. But for that China has to create its own brand value of products which will take atleast 30 years from now to make them comparable with their western counterparts.

ps- the graphics in the opening post with the Chinese premier on it reminds me of the soviets. A strong communism rising from the east challenging the western capitalism and its way of economic growth

 

[TaiShang]

 

[sweetgrape]

Lol, dude I have more than got your logic, and it is a big fat lie. Firstly, foreign companies setting up factories in the country count to a very limited extent. Also, when one is talking about manufacturing power, the design and technology FOR that manufacturing is also included.

Then, you want to talk, let's talk.

You first mention iPhone. Let's talk iPhone then. Who manufactures the chip set, and the whole electronics suite? Apple designs its chip, which is fabricated in Taiwan. Memory? Samsung or Hynix usually. Glass? Corning. Screen? Samsung/Sharp.

What Foxconn usually does is to manufacture the body, and then assemble all of this. (And even Foxconn is not exactly a local Mainland Chinese company. It is domiciled on a territory that is not under your control)

Let's talk LNG Ships. The leading and most advanced manufacturers of LNG ships remain the Koreans, and Japanese. Chinese ship building sector has actually lost its order share in the market.

Even for the LNG ships manufactured by China, most of the parts are supplied by foreign companies, some even not made in China. Propulsion is usually supplied by MAN, or Warstila, or Rolls Royce.

Look at all the below articles to find out the list of suppliers:

http://www.oedigital.com/component/k2/item/12122-the-switch-gets-lng-vessel-work

http://www.ship-technology.com/news...tenance-services-for-clsicos-six-lng-vessels/

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...-for-two-chinese-built-lng-tankers&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...rders-abb-systems-for-lng-carriers&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...o-have-fuel-sharing-man-df-engines&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...ns-picked-four-lng-carrier-quartet&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...build-new-lng-containership-family&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...-class-first-lnt-a-box-lng-carrier&Itemid=231

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...to-power-lng-fueled-pctc-newbuilds&Itemid=230

http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?...4-engine-order-for-yamal-lng-ships&Itemid=230


Essentially many very important components are being imported, or used of foreign suppliers: Propulsion, Electric Systems etc. (If you want I can just keep giving you links, even Chinese sources themselves appreciate the difficulty, and dependence on suppliers.) Not that there is anything wrong with this, this is the way one grows.

You are talking about Air Bus? This is beyond hilarious. Airbus only has a finishing and maintenance center in China. Most of the core parts are imported. Don't even talk about Aviation Industry, where US and Europe are far ahead. If in any doubt just see the commerical market position of Chinese brands versus Boeing or Airbus. (Even for C 919, a hell lot of components are produced elsewhere.)

I can just go on. I am a training chemical engineer, and in chemical engineering almost all technology is licensed by China.

You type these much words, but you don't get the point. You compare Apple with Foxconn repeatly, don't understand what's the manufacturing power.
And you avoid answering who is leader in comprehensive manufacturing power.

I am interested in why you tell me you are chemical engineer? show you know more than me? hehe, it is very funny, what do you think my position is? My job are much closer to manufacturing and R&D than you, may offend you, in my opinion, when talking about industralization and manufacturing, you are more like armchair expert, something you still don't understand, like many indian and Vietnamese in the forum.

I don't think it need to discuss with you on this, I know what you will talk if continue, where is the position of China in the world economy, and industry, I know better than you, I am in it.

BTW, I am not ultra nationalist, from my comments, where do you find I said China is best?

 

[empirefighter]

China already had a Industrial Revolution in the 90s so this is about the transformation of Chinese economy from a producer of lower end cheap but yet efficient quality manufacturer to a technologically advanced and high quality product manufacturing economy. But for that China has to create its own brand value of products which will take atleast 30 years from now to make them comparable with their western counterparts.

ps- the graphics in the opening post with the Chinese premier on it reminds me of the soviets. A strong communism rising from the east challenging the western capitalism and its way of economic growth

Fuuny comparison，but China is unlike Soviet，we have no interest in changing others political idealogy. To be honest，Soviet did find out a new way for non west country to catch up with the West，it told the Human how to make national plans and execute it ，how to finish industrization quickly. The soviet did have too many shortcomings and its leaderships were too aggressive to their neibours including China，but the West downgrade the Soviet achievements too much after Cold War . The two big competitors of USA，Russia and China ，one was communism when it was superpower，one is still communism，that means something .