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REFUSAL OF KASHMIR PLEBISCITE IS COWARDICE OR FEAR OF REALITY

@pakeye
let me ask a counter question to you....

I hope you understand english and thus comprehend the pre-requisites to the UNSC resolutions....

Why didn't pakistan recall it's troops from the period of 1952 to 1965 and let the plebiscite go through? Why did it violate the resolutions in 1965 by Invading Kashmir?
 
  • They think that by killing Muslims in Kashmir, they are seeking retribution for the sadist history they have.
  • They know that if they extend the same 'democratic' right to the Kashmiris as they do to themselves and brag about it all the time, it will result in the people of Kashmir choosing to break away which is too big for their ego to accept.
  • They know that an independent Kashmir will align itself with Pakistan and China which will create another insecure border for them.
  • In their minds freedom for Kashmiri people will encourage Punjabi Sikhs to seek independence as well and will give confidence to other insurgencies in the South.
The genocidal instinct of all Indian citizens who unanimously support the suppression and murder of Muslims and stealing of their lands is a product of the above factors and a historic sense of insecurity. Now that India is classifying itself as a Hindu country, we need to make sure that Kashmiris get all support they need. We cannot leave our kin at the mercy of genocidal hegemons.
A perfect example of what happens when you let an ideology (and a radical one at that) infect a state and its people.

For all other topics @Horus is an agreeable, sensible and informative member but in topics like this that side that has been fed by a lifetime of propaganda and lies against the "evil, Hindu homogen" India comes to the fore.


I would counter by saying that for as long as Pakistan is an ideological state, it will not prosper- the reality of this is for all to see in Pakistan today.
 
@sandy_3126

let me ask a counter question to you....
I hope you understand english and thus comprehend the pre-requisites to the UNSC resolutions....
Why didn't Pakistan recall it's troops from the period of 1952 to 1965 and let the plebiscite go through? Why did it violate the resolutions in 1965 by Invading Kashmir?[/quote]


Our region seeds are not belongs to the English breed
English is not my language
prerequisites to the UNSC resolutions..
Because In November 1948, the Indian and Pakistani governments agreed to hold the plebiscite , But in presence of Indian troops Pakistan refused withdraw its troops from Kashmir , India called it was a violation of the agreed conditions for holding it and the process stalled India then proposed that Pakistan withdraw all its troops first, calling it a precondition for a plebiscite. Pakistan rejected the proposal on the grounds that the Kashmiris would be unable to vote freely in the presence of the Indian army.

Source: REFUSAL OF KASHMIR PLEBISCITE IS COWARDICE OR FEAR OF REALITY | Page 11
 
Read, pre-requisites of UN security councils resolutions on kashmir , and explain how has pakistan facilitated the plebicite... also do explain if 1965 was a violation of the UNSC resolution to which pakistan was a signatory, then what did pakistan do till 1990 to revive the UNSC councils resolutions, was 1999 kargil as violation of the the UNSC councils resolutions?.....
Pakistan knows if there is a plebiscite it will be browbeaten as always, and thus it's strategy is forment trouble by aiding it puppets in Kashmir.....
Prerequisite of UN Security Councils Resolutions Bounding for Both Countries
The facilities for Plebiscite under UNO will be responsibility of both countries
many proposals can be implemented as if both parties are agreed then a
synchronous withdrawal of both Indian and Pakistani troops from the region for a plebiscite under UN observance.

IF The Kargil is the Violation in your point of view
Then
Pressurize your memory for The Siachen
 
Clutching straws now....

Give up all you positions in Pre-1947 boudaries of state of jammu and kashmir, recall your regular and irregular armed forces, and intimate India. India will maintain a limited security and administrative force throughout the state and the plebiscite would have been initiated.... You did not do that for 50 years, and India's patience ran out in the early 90's Indian parliament unanimously passed the resolution that the entire state of jammu and kashmir is a part of India....

We never took any of you negotiations seriously... kargil was an example where we were in negotiation whereas your army was getting ready to backstab us.... the reality is YOU have never kept your end of the plebiscite and now violated the resolution three times.... so there is no scope to negotiate with pakistan anymore....

The Nightmare of the result of Kashmir Plebiscite
don't worry
it is the question of the right of self determination of peoples of Indian occupied Kashmir
pre 1947 boundaries of state of Jammu and Kashmire was the under foots of Pushto tribesmen they was reached at Baramulla Sector and Srinagar they was the tribesmen not belong to Pakistan Army so they can be re deploy on thier positions.
Hari Singh, the maharaja of Kashmir, signed an instrument of accession on 25 October 1947 to the Indian union.(Maharaja can't bring back)
it means pre 1947 situation will be create as the Jammu and Kashmir, the largest of the princely states, had a predominantly Muslim population ruled by the Hindu Maharaja Hari Singh (Maharaja can't bring back)
we will wate the fate of the world biggest first extremist Democracy .
 
Prerequisite of UN Security Councils Resolutions Bounding for Both Countries
The facilities for Plebiscite under UNO will be responsibility of both countries
many proposals can be implemented as if both parties are agreed then a
synchronous withdrawal of both Indian and Pakistani troops from the region for a plebiscite under UN observance.

IF The Kargil is the Violation in your point of view
Then
Pressurize your memory for The Siachen
As I said... read and comprehend.... The resolution calls for Unilatral withdrawal of Pakistani forces first not Indian....

thanks
 
@sandy_3126


Our region seeds are not belongs to the English breed
English is not my language
prerequisites to the UNSC resolutions..
Because In November 1948, the Indian and Pakistani governments agreed to hold the plebiscite , But in presence of Indian troops Pakistan refused withdraw its troops from Kashmir , India called it was a violation of the agreed conditions for holding it and the process stalled India then proposed that Pakistan withdraw all its troops first, calling it a precondition for a plebiscite. Pakistan rejected the proposal on the grounds that the Kashmiris would be unable to vote freely in the presence of the Indian army.

Source: REFUSAL OF KASHMIR PLEBISCITE IS COWARDICE OR FEAR OF REALITY | Page 11
Then why did you sign the UNSC resolutions in the first place.????
 
Then why did you sign the UNSC resolutions in the first place.????
Very simple because we want the peaceful solution of Kashmir dispute, pl. clear your concept Pakistan and India both are parties having a dispute India want to force the pre condition that Pakistan first withdraw their troops before plebiscite other way Pakistan rejected the proposal on the grounds that the Kashmiris would be unable to vote freely in the presence of the occupational Indian army.
 
Very simple because we want the peaceful solution of Kashmir dispute, pl. clear your concept Pakistan and India both are parties having a dispute India want to force the pre condition that Pakistan first withdraw their troops before plebiscite other way Pakistan rejected the proposal on the grounds that the Kashmiris would be unable to vote freely in the presence of the occupational Indian army.
Wow, your comprehension skills really need some work.... Read the UNSC resolutions pre-requisite that Pakistan signed and agreed to adhere to. It clearly states that pakistan needs to withdraw its troops and then initmate India... and pakistan agreed to the preconditions by accepting the resolution.

There is no India wanting to enforce anything.... It is clearly worded in the documents that pakistan accepted.... Please read and try to understand the resolution.... especially when you want to brandish the UNSC backed plebiscite on the forum...
 
let me ask a counter question to you....
I hope you understand english and thus comprehend the pre-requisites to the UNSC resolutions....
Why didn't Pakistan recall it's troops from the period of 1952 to 1965 and let the plebiscite go through? Why did it violate the resolutions in 1965 by Invading Kashmir?[/quote]


Our region seeds are not belongs to the English breed
English is not my language
prerequisites to the UNSC resolutions..
Because In November 1948, the Indian and Pakistani governments agreed to hold the plebiscite , But in presence of Indian troops Pakistan refused withdraw its troops from Kashmir , India called it was a violation of the agreed conditions for holding it and the process stalled India then proposed that Pakistan withdraw all its troops first, calling it a precondition for a plebiscite. Pakistan rejected the proposal on the grounds that the Kashmiris would be unable to vote freely in the presence of the Indian army.

Source: REFUSAL OF KASHMIR PLEBISCITE IS COWARDICE OR FEAR OF REALITY | Page 11[/QUOTE]
Why should we go by your rules? The UN set up a pre requisite foe plebiscite i.e. unilateral withdrawal of PA from the valley, which you didn't fulfill. Now you can't blame us for your own inability to fulfill the condition, (whether you think the condition as justified or not, is not our problem.) So now the case is closed.
 
Wow, your comprehension skills really need some work.... Read the UNSC resolutions pre-requisite that Pakistan signed and agreed to adhere to. It clearly states that pakistan needs to withdraw its troops and then initmate India... and pakistan agreed to the preconditions by accepting the resolution.
There is no India wanting to enforce anything.... It is clearly worded in the documents that pakistan accepted.... Please read and try to understand the resolution.... especially when you want to brandish the UNSC backed plebiscite on the forum...

In 1948 India was went in UNSC India was begging to UNSC to intervene in the Kashmir Issue with Pakistan the UNSC pre condition was not accetable to Pakistan and Pakistan rejected the proposal on the grounds that the Kashmiris would be unable to vote freely in the presence of the occupational Indian army.

and according the UNSC Resolution 126(1957) 2.12.1957 one condition was as through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite, &
in absence of Pakistan and under Indian Army control free and impartial plebiscite was imposable !!
What will be the result of plebiscite!! The Treasure in Burglar Security


Resolution 126 (1957)
Adopted by the Security Council at its 808th meeting on 2 December, 1957.


THE SECURITY COUNCIL,
Having received and noted with appreciation the report of Mr. Gunner V. Jarring, the
Representative of Sweden, on the mission undertaken by him pursuant to its resolution 123 (1957)
of 21 February, 1957,

Expressing its thanks to Mr. Jarring for the care and ability with which he has carried out his mission,

Observing with appreciation the expressions made by both parties of sincere willingness to
co-operate with the United Nations in finding a peaceful solution,

Observing further that the governments of India and Pakistan recognise and accept the provisions of
its resolution 38(1948) of 17 January, 1948 and of the resolutions of the United Nations
Commission for India and Pakistan dated 13 August, 1948 and 5 January, 1949, which envisage in
accordance with their terms the determination of the future status of the State of Jammu and Kashmirin accordance with the will of the people through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite, and that Mr. Jarring felt it appropriate to explore what was impeding their fullimplementation,
Concerned over the lack of progress towards a settlement of the dispute which his report manifests,
Considering the importance which it has attached to demilitarisation of the State of Jammu and
Kashmir as one of the steps towards settlement,


Recalling its previous resolutions and the resolutions of the United Nations Commission for India and
Pakistan on the India-Pakistan question,

1. Requests the United Nations Representative for India and Pakistan to make any
recommendations to the parties for further appropriate action, with a view to making progress
towards the implementation of the resolutions of the United Nations Commission for India and
Pakistan of 13 August, 1948 and 5 January, 1949, and towards a peaceful settlement;

3. Authorises the United Nations Representative to visit the sub-continent for these purposes;

4. Instructs the United Nations Representative to report to the Security Council on his efforts as
soon as possible.

The Security Council voted on this Resolution on 2-12-57 with the following result:
In favour: Australia, China, Colombia, Cuba, France, Iraq, Philippines, Sweden, U.K. and
U.S.A.
Against: None
Abstaining: U.S.S.R.
 
Read the UNSC resolutions on kashmir , it is self evident that pakistan did not let the plebiscite happen....
WTF.Pakistan always talks about plebiscite in kashmir.its india which rejects plebiscite in kashmir by calling kashmir as its integral part
 

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