Re-Organization of FCNA

[Cuirassier]

Doesn't make sense, I know it's not at LC but with an AK Brigade (which is tasked with defensive duties exclusively inside AJK) alloting it to a strike formation sounds unnecessary.

Nevertheless the change has been made, anyways, does the GHQ have any plans of formally raising a Northern Command?

 

[Gryphon]

Nevertheless the change has been made, anyways, does the GHQ have any plans of formally raising a Northern Command?

The demarcation of boundary between Central Command & the proposed Northern Command is a complex process; for this reason HQ Central Command was established at Kharian and not Mangla.

 

[Cuirassier]

The demarcation of boundary between Central Command & the proposed Northern Command is a complex process; for this reason HQ Central Command was established at Kharian and not Mangla.

That means that the I Corps Cdr is at Kharian? Since he's the CENTCOM cdr too?

 

[Signalian]

That means that the I Corps Cdr is at Kharian? Since he's the CENTCOM cdr too?

1st Corps HQ is in Mangla. Kharian has active divisions under 1st Corps HQ.

Rawalpindi-based 34th Light Infantry Division is the infantry reserve for FCNA, with its brigades placed near/within its AOR.

There are other units from different Corps HQ looking after CPEC also, hint: Multan-Bwp corridor.
I think the three different routes of CPEC could ensure raising of 3 different command structures to protect all of CPEC.

 

[Gryphon]

That means that the I Corps Cdr is at Kharian? Since he's the CENTCOM cdr too?

Switches between Mangla and Kharian. The Command HQ has its Chief of Staff as well.

There are other units from different Corps HQ looking after CPEC also, hint: Multan-Bwp corridor.
I think the three different routes of CPEC could ensure raising of 3 different command structures to protect all of CPEC.

10 Corps got 34 LID, rest were approved a total of 28 new battalions for CPEC security.

 

[Gryphon]

@Signalian @JPMM

Saw this pic of former 1 Corps Cmdr (HQ Mangla) with insignia of Central Command (HQ Kharian) on right arm.

PA 12 Corps was upgraded to SC more than a decade back, the 12 Corps HQ ceased to exist. But here 1 Corps HQ is being retained. Makes me suspect transfer of 19 Div & 23 Div besides 2 Arty Div to CC is a matter of time now.

Your op?

 

[Cuirassier]

@Signalian @JPMM

Saw this pic of former 1 Corps Cmdr (HQ Mangla) with insignia of Central Command (HQ Kharian) on right arm.

PA 12 Corps was upgraded to SC more than a decade back, the 12 Corps HQ ceased to exist. But here 1 Corps HQ is being retained. Makes me suspect transfer of 19 Div & 23 Div besides 2 Arty Div to CC is a matter of time now.

Your op?

23 Div transfer would be strange but it's very likely that the Arty Div and Inf Div are directly under CC as Command Reserve, hence reducing reliance of Corps elements on GHQ earmarked reserves.

 

[babrum]

what if we raise another light infantry unit and raise squadrons for airborne assaults in northen area ?

 

[Gryphon]

23 Div transfer would be strange but it's very likely that the Arty Div and Inf Div are directly under CC as Command Reserve, hence reducing reliance of Corps elements on GHQ earmarked reserves.

Command HQ is basically a Corps HQ with authority over other Corps in its region. So everything a new Corps requires has to be raised incl. HQ Air Defence, HQ Arty, HQ Engineers, HQ Signals, HQ Logistics & Corps Tps.

Formations placed directly under the Comd HQ (in area Mangla-Chenab rvr) would be holding in nature and most probably will include 19 Div (current 1 Corps) and 23 Div (current 10 Corps).

 

[Cuirassier]

Command HQ is basically a Corps HQ with authority over other Corps in its region. So everything a new Corps requires has to be raised incl. HQ Air Defence, HQ Arty, HQ Engineers, HQ Signals, HQ Logistics & Corps Tps.

Formations placed directly under the Comd HQ (in area Mangla-Chenab rvr) would be holding in nature and most probably will include 19 Div (current 1 Corps) and 23 Div (current 10 Corps).

23 Div has LC duties too - would be messy if they are made to report to CC.

 

[khanasifm]

Currently the FCNA is a designated two star formation ( division equivalent), with 5 brigades under it.

Considering that the last conflict with India occured in the AOR of FCNA, i was wondering if the Army could reinforce the formation and enhance it's status to Corps-level.

Ever since both nations have been declared nuclear states with capabilities to strike each other regardless, i believe the chances of a full scale war across the Punjab and Sindh have significantly reduced, despite all the talk on the Cold Start Doctrine or the New Concept Of War Fighting, in reality both sides know the consequences of armed offensives across the IB or WB. The 2002 and 2008 standoffs and their outcomes are a proof of this.

I would suggest that FCNA should constitute of 2 Divisions, one formed by the present brigades, whereas the new troops will be fished from the ARN
Since it's a mountain terrain, we would need infantry and artillery units. The following divisions can be earmarked for this:

8th Infantry Division
15th Infantry Division
2nd Artillery Division
10th Infantry Division
11th Infantry Division

If we fish out 1 brigade each from these divisions we'll have sufficient formations to raise another division in GB

These Divisons are part of the Holding Corps in the Army Reserve North and i believe defence is easier with lesser troops available rather than offense.
The troop levels in ARNs Strike Formation will not change thus it's offensive power will remain.

These new redirected brigades will need acclimatization and mountain equipment so that they are ready for their new roles.

The new ORBAT of the FCNA can then be:

FCNA HQ (Gilgit)
1st Mountain Division (Gilgit)
10th Mountain Division (Skardu)

FCNA will be independent of X Corps and this will strengthen our hold on GB and ability for operations in that terrain.
Since the current threat that persists is of small scale/low intensity warfare, these deployments can help our defence where it really is threatened.

What do you suggest ?

It’s already oversized div with 7 brigades including signal and engineering brigades plus 5 infantry brigades

typical Infantry div has 3-5 Brigades but mostly 3 Infantry in paa and FCna has 7 so you can create two infantry div out of existing strength if needed there may be some reason for not doing so mostly $$ as another div mean more cost plus admin staff etc

Also keep in mind It’s not just fc NA is in north There are paramilitary/scouts as well other army units which rotating in and out while fcna is typically in north

New brigade just for cpec already now in north on top of very bing else which I think reports to the new cpec div

 

[PanzerKiel]

@Signalian @JPMM

Saw this pic of former 1 Corps Cmdr (HQ Mangla) with insignia of Central Command (HQ Kharian) on right arm.

PA 12 Corps was upgraded to SC more than a decade back, the 12 Corps HQ ceased to exist. But here 1 Corps HQ is being retained. Makes me suspect transfer of 19 Div & 23 Div besides 2 Arty Div to CC is a matter of time now.

Your op?

12 Corps HQ is also there, just like 1 Corps.

CC has 1,30 and 4 Corps, SC has 12, 5, 31 and 2 Corps.

 

[Cuirassier]

12 Corps HQ is also there, just like 1 Corps.

CC has 1,30 and 4 Corps, SC has 12, 5, 31 and 2 Corps.

Just wanted to confirm - does FCNA only have 3 Bdes? Or is there a fourth too? Thanks.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Just wanted to confirm - does FCNA only have 3 Bdes? Or is there a fourth too? Thanks.

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[Gryphon]

12 Corps HQ is also there, just like 1 Corps.

CC has 1,30 and 4 Corps, SC has 12, 5, 31 and 2 Corps.

Why does Cmdr SC wear only the SC patch, and not 12 Corps patch?

Will PA Comd's ever have a separate GOC-in-C?