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Only embassy staff enjoy absolute immunity: Experts​

“What if a diplomat enters the White House and kills the American President and later claims immunity. Do you think immunity is available in such a case…absolutely not,” he contended.

“The immunity is only applicable when a diplomat performing official functions and it is not meant for benefiting individuals,” Zafarullah maintained.​
http://tribune.com.pk/story/113961/only-embassy-staff-enjoy-absolute-immunity-experts/
 
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Only embassy staff enjoy absolute immunity: Experts​

“What if a diplomat enters the White House and kills the American President and later claims immunity. Do you think immunity is available in such a case…absolutely not,” he contended.

“The immunity is only applicable when a diplomat performing official functions and it is not meant for benefiting individuals,” Zafarullah maintained.​
Only embassy staff enjoy absolute immunity: Experts – The Express Tribune

Maybe you can answer the question posted above. did your interior minister not stand up in the national assembly and say what is quoted?

Malik clears the air on Davis? immunity – The Express Tribune

"The government has corroborated the stance of US authorities on the status of Lahore double shooting accused Raymond Davis as a diplomat.

Supplementing a statement the US embassy released three days after the incident, Interior Minister Rehman Malik told members of the Senate on Wednesday that Davis does hold a diplomatic passport and visa.

“Raymond Davis holds a diplomatic passport … he travelled to Pakistan on a diplomatic visa given [to him] after clearance by security agencies of the country. Pakistan is a signatory of certain international protocols (on diplomatic immunity), which we cannot violate,” Malik said. He also claimed that he personally holds Davis’ file, which contains all his records."
 
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Maybe you can answer the question posted above. did your interior minister not stand up in the national assembly and say what is quoted?

Malik clears the air on Davis? immunity – The Express Tribune

"The government has corroborated the stance of US authorities on the status of Lahore double shooting accused Raymond Davis as a diplomat.

Supplementing a statement the US embassy released three days after the incident, Interior Minister Rehman Malik told members of the Senate on Wednesday that Davis does hold a diplomatic passport and visa.

“Raymond Davis holds a diplomatic passport … he travelled to Pakistan on a diplomatic visa given [to him] after clearance by security agencies of the country. Pakistan is a signatory of certain international protocols (on diplomatic immunity), which we cannot violate,” Malik said. He also claimed that he personally holds Davis’ file, which contains all his records."

And he can not go back on his words - he will be liable till washington with these kind of words.
 
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A legal view of immunity to Raymond Davis

ISLAMABAD: Does Raymond Davis have diplomatic immunity? A simple answer is no, because he is not a diplomat. Diplomatic immunity in layman’s terms is a form of legal immunity held between governments through treaties, which guarantee that diplomats are given safe passage and considered immune from civil suits or criminal prosecution.

The governing instrument of International Law for diplomatic immunity is called Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations 1961, and a lot has been said about this already in press and on TV. However no one has paid attention to a similar treaty of just two years later, called Vienna Convention on Consular Relations 1963 which was adopted by Pakistan through Diplomatic and Consular Privileges Act 1972.

This Convention governs immunities and privileges accorded to Consulate members and its staff. The word “consular post” is defined in Article 1 of 1963 Convention as any consulate general, consulate, vice consulate or consular agency, and consular officer is defined as any person, including the head of a consular post, entrusted in that capacity with the exercise of consular functions.

After understanding these two definitions given in Vienna Convention of 1963, one needs to read Article 41 (1) which says: “Consular officers shall not be liable to arrest or detention pending trial, except in the case of a grave crime and pursuant to a decision by the competent judicial authority”.

A legal view of immunity to Raymond Davis
 
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The Friday Times:Raymond Davis: fact & fiction by Najam Sethi’s

Raymond Davis: fact & fiction


The case of Raymond Davis has outraged the imagination and sentiment of Pakistanis mainly because of a distortion of key facts by powerful sections of the Pakistani media. It has also become a vicious ping pong game between the PPP and PMLN governments, with both trying to score nationalist points regardless of the consequences for political stability and national security. Ominously, though, it has soured a troubled relationship between Pakistan and the US who claim to be “strategic partners” in the region. Let’s sift fact from fiction.

Fiction: Mr Davis “murdered” two Pakistanis. He shot them in the back, suggesting he was not threatened by them. They were not robbers. Their handguns were licensed. Fact: Two men on a motorbike, armed with unlicensed pistols, held up Mr Davis’ car. He expertly shot them through the windscreen, stepped out and took pictures of the gunmen with weapons as evidence of self-defense. Later, an autopsy report showed that four out of seven bullets had hit the gunmen in the front, confirming the threat to him. The criminals had earlier robbed two passersby of their cell phones and money.

Fiction: Mr Davis is not a diplomat because he doesn’t have a diplomatic visa or status registered with the Foreign Office. Hence he cannot claim diplomatic immunity under the Vienna Conventions. Fact: Mr Davis has a Diplomatic Passport. His visa application by the US State Department to the Pakistan Embassy in Washington DC of 11 September 2009 lists him as a Diplomat who is on “Official Business”. The US government has claimed diplomatic immunity for him. This is the norm. For example, Pakistan’s Ambassador to Spain in 1975, Haroon ur Rashid Abbasi, was granted immunity following discovery of heroin from his suitcase. Col Mohammad Hamid Pakistan’s military attaché in London in 2000, was caught having sex with a prostitute in his car in a public place. He invoked diplomatic immunity and avoided arrest. Mohammad Arshad Cheema, Pakistan’s First Secretary in Nepal, also invoked diplomatic immunity after 16kg of high inte4nsity RDX explosives were recovered from his house and he was suspected of being involved in the hijacking of Indian Airlines Flight IC-814. And so on.

Fiction: Mr Davis was not in any imminent danger of grievous injury, let alone kidnapping or death, from the two young men. So he committed a murder and cannot plead self-defense. Fact: A murder necessitates a motive. What motive could Mr Davis have in killing two unknown people in broad daylight if they didn’t threaten him in any way? More to the point, Westerners, especially Americans, risk all manner of threats while in Pakistan because of extreme anti-Americanism in the country for various reasons. At least 10 Americans have been killed by terrorists in Pakistan in the last thirty years, and US consulates in Karachi and Peshawar and the embassy in Islamabad have been attacked twice each. The US Principal Officer in Peshawar was attacked in 2008 and the Marriot Hotel was bombed. In addition, Iranian diplomats, Chinese engineers and UN workers have been killed or kidnapped by terrorists since 1990; the Sri Lankan cricket team was attacked in 2009, and 17 French Naval technicians were killed in Karachi in 2003. And so on. Under the circumstances, Mr Davis had every right to fear he might be kidnapped or killed by the two gunmen. The law relating to self defense is also clear, notwithstanding calibrations and qualifications in case law. If there is even a perceived threat of grievous bodily harm, let alone death, a person may be justified in countering it in any manner in self-defense.

So where do we go from here?

The Punjab government has played a particularly dubious, nay devious, role from the outset. It pressurized the local police to arrest Mr Davis instead of verifying his diplomatic immunity and letting him go. It exploited anti-Americanism to embarrass the PPP government in Islamabad by putting the onus of responsibility for claiming diplomatic immunity on it. It nominated a public prosecutor who deliberately falsified information to enrage popular passions. The federal government, meanwhile, has been craven, inefficient and defensive to the point of opportunism. The end result is that US-Pak relations have soured significantly at a time when neither side can afford to be distracted from the main issues at hand.

In the end, however, the matter will have to be settled according to the facts of the situation in light of international and domestic law rather than passion and outrage. If the Federal Government should officially tell the court that Mr Davis has diplomatic immunity or the public prosecutor argue self-defense in his behalf, he should be a free man.

The sooner this is done, the better. A state’s national interest is not served by passion or prejudice in the face of strategic interests. This must not be sacrificed at the altar of party politics. Equally, the US must stop pressurizing Pakistan to accept trigger happy cowboys on intelligence operations as unaccountable diplomats. If this “Ugly American” syndrome persists, and if CIA or Blackwater killers and Special Ops men run amuck in Pakistan, as they did in Iraq, there will be more rage and violence on the street, and both Pakistan and the US will be net losers.
 
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A legal view of immunity to Raymond Davis

ISLAMABAD: Does Raymond Davis have diplomatic immunity? A simple answer is no, because he is not a diplomat. Diplomatic immunity in layman’s terms is a form of legal immunity held between governments through treaties, which guarantee that diplomats are given safe passage and considered immune from civil suits or criminal prosecution

A legal view of immunity to Raymond Davis


I notice you keep going back to what so called legal experts say. And completly ignore what your own interior minister (who's department is responsible for such determinations) says.
 
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Here is a brief outline on the recent major events that have taken place during the mysterious case of Raymond Davis:

Jan 26: Raymond Davis, an American official, allegedly shot two robbers in self-defence in a market area in Lahore. Davis called for help and the second vehicle got into a fatal accident with a pedestrian and fled the scene. Onlookers gathered around Davis and took his footage and the bullet-ridden vehicle. Police came to the scene and took Davis into custody for a statement.

Jan 27: Raymond Davis is held by police authorities for the shootings. Different sources claim that Davis is not a diplomat and cannot carry any type of weapons. The US embassy confirms his employment as a technical adviser. However, police authorities did say that Davis was held-up at gunpoint and reacted in self-defence.

Jan 29: US officials claim that Raymond Davis has diplomatic status in Pakistan, referring to Vienna Convention. But sources said that Davis did not have diplomatic status per se. Davis is remanded still under custody with Pakistani police authorities.

Jan 30: Prime Minister Yousef Gilani does not comment on the Davis arrest until officials confirm his identity and status in Pakistan as a foreigner. Many media personnel allege that the vague circumstances surrounding Davis could possibly mean that Davis might be a CIA agent.

Jan 31: ABC News in the US and the Huffington Post report that Davis was part of a security firm in Florida, which had a vague background leading to more reports of a possible CIA connection. The government has not decided to hand in Raymond David to US officials. Local lawyers call for a trial.

Feb 1: President Zardari announces that Pakistan will decide the fate of Raymond Davis while the US demands the diplomat Raymond Davis returned. Lahore High Court blocks any moves made by international parties to remove Raymond Davis from Pakistan’s custody. Interior Minister Rehman Malik reiterates that Pakistan will make the decision on Davis. Prime Minister Gilani says that US pressure is not part of the decision making process for the Davis case.

Feb 2: Interior Minister Rehman Malik states that Raymond Davis holds a diplomatic passport. The LHC extends Davis’s remand in Pakistani custody.

Feb 3: US embassy states that Davis has diplomatic immunity.

Feb 4: Pakistani government sources claim that Raymond Davis’s diplomatic immunity seems “dubious.”

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Feb 4: Pakistani government sources claim that Raymond Davis’s diplomatic immunity seems “dubious.”


The government has corroborated the stance of US authorities on the status of Lahore double shooting accused Raymond Davis as a diplomat. Supplementing a statement the US embassy released three days after the incident, Interior Minister Rehman Malik told members of the Senate on Wednesday that Davis does hold a diplomatic passport and visa.

“Raymond Davis holds a diplomatic passport … he travelled to Pakistan on a diplomatic visa given [to him] after clearance by security agencies of the country. Pakistan is a signatory of certain international protocols (on diplomatic immunity), which we cannot violate,” Malik said. He also claimed that he personally holds Davis’ file, which contains all his records.

Why above contradiction?
 
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Why do I think that? Becasue Pakistan (government, military, economy) cannot bear the inevitable consequences if they don't let him go. Who needs a Pyrrhic victory?

How far will the US to go to jeopardize the relationship with Pakistan on the war in Afghanistan, nuclear security and cooperation over terrorism, for one man, if he is indeed not found to have diplomatic immunity.

And what of the reports that Raymond Davis isn't his real name? If those are true, how can an individual who presented a false identity, and whose duties at the American Embassy are unclear, be granted diplomatic immunity when he wasn't issued a diplomatic visa to begin with?
 
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did your Interior Minister Rehman Malik not stand up in front of your national assembly as this article says and say what is quoted?

Malik clears the air on Davis? immunity – The Express Tribune
Yes, that statement is interesting, because the images of RD's passport do not show a diplomatic visa, and the article posted today by Asim quoting the US embassy indicates that they admitted Pakistan did not issue Davis a diplomatic visa. However, Davis did possess a diplomatic passport, but a diplomatic passport alone is not a guarantee of diplomatic immunity - the host nation has to accept diplomatic status of the individual by issuing a diplomatic visa.

So now, per the US embassy statement, the argument is over the interpretation of the conventions governing diplomatic immunity, and whether RD's job description (whatever it is found out to be) automatically provides him diplomatic immunity in this particular crime.
 
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Raymond Davis isn't his real name - but he presented a visa indicating that was his identity - that is fraud and deceit, on part of Davis and on the part of the US government if they knowingly abetted this.

Why should he enjoy any diplomatic rights regardless of what his passport or visa are? States posting diplomats to other nations should act honestly and above board - posting officials with fraudulent documents and identities is a violation of trust and laws with the host nation.
 
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How far will the US to go to jeopardize the relationship with Pakistan on the war in Afghanistan, nuclear security and cooperation over terrorism, for one man, if he is indeed not found to have diplomatic immunity.

Good point, but then, how far can Pakistan push the US over one man because of all these other important links?
 
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