Raymond Davis Case: Developing Story

[Abu Basit]

Just deal with Davis for a few days more and then let him go---.

yeah let the rope go around his neck.....

 

[Tameem]

Just deal with Davis for a few days more and then let him go---.

Is it your Desire? Demand? Or just a duty as an American?

Nevertheless!! Davis encounter with two Pakistanis on that fateful day is not spontaneous by any nature except his cowboy style response but a pre-planned one from our security agencies point of view because they want to rounded him up for one way or another and US embassy’s mistake (for someone’s) gave them an opportunity;

First, they know he is not on diplomatic Passport and secondly a day before the incident US embassy shared a list of their diplomats in Pakistan; Davis name is not Included in it, both these facts emboldens to give him a taste of real Pakistan.

IMO, Its not a co-incidence or a sheer negligence from US Consulate but a simple SOP for a persons like him to operate in that kind of situations worldwide so that real motives of his presence remain hidden until something “Rare” happened and by that time Public knows anything hard the culprit like him vanished abruptly from the face of the earth, but in this case that “Rare” is shown and encountered by the Americans alone first in shape of Davis adventurism to kill two persons in broad daylight in a busy chowk and exposing himself like this and secondly the behavior of Pakistani Establishment (both Military and Civil) and Politicians (Both In Govt & Opposition) in this incidents response.

So, Americans from an ordinary like you to an Extra-Ordinay like your President just cant believe on the behavior of Pakistanis alike, and believe me….Their is more to come……!!!!

Therefore, My dear MK the problems is much deeper and sware than what you think and desire thousands of miles away in your bedroom.

 

[tallboy123]

"CIA spy" Davis was giving nuclear bomb material to Al-Qaeda, says report


London, Feb 20(ANI): Double murder-accused US official Raymond Davis has been found in possession of top-secret CIA documents, which point to him or the feared American Task Force 373 (TF373) operating in the region, providing Al-Qaeda terrorists with "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents," according to a report.

Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) is warning that the situation on the sub-continent has turned "grave" as it appears that open warfare is about to break out between Pakistan and the United States, The European Union Times reports.

The SVR warned in its report that the apprehension of 36-year-old Davis, who shot dead two Pakistani men in Lahore last month, had fuelled this crisis.

According to the report, the combat skills exhibited by Davis, along with documentation taken from him after his arrest, prove that he is a member of US' TF373 black operations unit currently operating in the Afghan War Theatre and Pakistan's tribal areas, the paper said.

While the US insists that Davis is one of their diplomats, and the two men he killed were robbers, Pakistan says that the duo were ISI agents sent to follow him after it was discovered that he had been making contact with al Qaeda, after his cell phone was tracked to the Waziristan tribal area bordering Afghanistan, the paper said.

The most ominous point in this SVR report is "Pakistan's ISI stating that top-secret CIA documents found in Davis's possession point to his, and/or TF373, providing to al Qaeda terrorists "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents", which they claim are to be used against the United States itself in order to ignite an all-out war in order to re-establish the West's hegemony over a Global economy that is warned is just months away from collapse," the paper added. (ANI)



"CIA spy" Davis was giving nuclear bomb material to Al-Qaeda, says report - Yahoo! News

 

[Developereo]

Let Davis go; Pakistan cannot fight a superpower.

Remember the Klingon proverb, "revenge is a dish best served cold."

 

[Tameem]

Let Davis go; Pakistan cannot fight a superpower.

Remember the Klingon proverb, "revenge is a dish best served cold."

Brother....Let it come....bcz that "Revenge" will be a cure to all Pakistanis Diesease in the longer run...!!

Khuda Tujhe Kisi Toofan say Aashna Kar-day
Kay Tairay Be-her Ki Mojoon main Iz-tirab Naheen

 

[Awesome]

There is a big difference between respect and fear. The argument that there are UN laws governing the matter and that we have accorded diplomatic immunity are a matter of respect and we should respect that law and that commitment we did. Essentially when we signed that treaty we agreed that even if a US (or any other nation's) diplomatic immunity holder even raped little kids in Pakistan we will not prosecute him/her. We did so, because we believed in our capability to give this diplomatic immunity to non-raping or for that matter murdering type of Americans.

Which is why from the Pakistani side it is hard to believe that we would knowingly accord this level of immunity to a tech guy, however we won't have the same issue of according the immunity to say Patterson or Munter, who we don't expect to be child rapists or murderers.

Furthermore even if Munter does engage in capital crimes, we are morally right in our stance to demand that the US waive off Munter's immunity for him to be prosecuted in Pakistan. No? Then US state is a horrible entity and we shouldn't have diplomatic relations with them at all.

Respect would be acknowledge his immunity but still keep your moral high ground and break off relations with the US. Respect for your own laws is also that if immunity is not proven, don't waiver even if nuclear weapons are point at you.

Fear on the other hand is, what we call in Urdu "Ulta chor kotwal ko daantay" (thief blames the cop), when the US threatens to break relations with Pakistan - and we give that threat more importance than the right thing.

 

[Tameem]

ISI declares war on CIA following Davis double murder incident
Submitted by Raman Iyer on Sun, 02/20/2011 - 05:47
Lahore, Feb 20 : Pakistan’s premier spy agency Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) has hardened its stance against US’ Central Intelligence Agency following the Raymond Davis incident in Lahore on January 27.
While the US official confessed to shooting dead two men in Lahore, allegedly in self-defence, a third Pakistani was struck and killed by another vehicle that was reportedly racing to Davis'' aid.
ISI sources have confirmed that Davis, who is currently under detention in Lahore, had links to the CIA, and said that the conduct of the US intelligence agency around the incident has “virtually thrown the partnership into question”.
“Irrespective of the commonality of objective in the war on terror, it is hard to predict if the relationship will ever get back to the level it was prior to the Davis episode. The onus of not stalling the relationship between the two agencies now squarely lies on the CIA,” The Nation quoted them, as saying.
They also dispelled the allegations that the ISI was protecting and relocating the Haqqanis as “complete insinuation”.
“Such stories, to the best of our knowledge, are leaked to the media with the connivance of the CIA and it’s regrettable that the CIA leadership on many occasions failed to show respect to the relationship between the two agencies and acted in arrogance towards the ISI, which has only resulted in weakening the relationship,” said the sources.
“It is unfortunate that the CIA leadership fails to understand that the ISI works and will continue to work for national interest regardless of the CIA’s stance,” they added.
Responding to a question, the sources said that the CIA’s “outdated approach of exerting pressure is counterproductive and will result in isolation of the CIA in an operational environment where its performance has been found wanting. This approach has offered more questions than answers.”
The sources also rejected the perception that information about the drone targets was being provided by Pakistan to the CIA, and that drone strikes came to a halt following the Davis episode because Pakistan had stopped providing them information about targets.
They insisted that these attacks came under “an autonomous CIA operation, and Pakistan or the ISI has never provided any target information for drone strikes.” (ANI)

 

[Awesome]

There ought to be a lot more investigation into why the Drone attacks have stopped - and what does it mean for Pakistan?

How has CIA's autonomous drone based operation come a to halt after Davis' arrest? Surely, one guy wasn't the entire operation, thats absurd. But something has changed in the CIA's planning and thinking. I think they are more worried about maintaining their cover than conducting any drone attack. If we go back to the rumor that the two killed, Faheem and Faizan, they were intelligence operatives, is it possible that they were part of some scenario where the CIA recruits local youngsters from Punjab to go to far flung places and plant GPS trackers like the one found on Davis? Davis might have initially been duped into hiring two ISI agents?

It's all speculative and no proof of it, but it should be investigated, at least the one apparent symptom is not imagined - the stoppage in drone attacks.

I think the call to move the case from Police custody to higher intel agencies is a good one as long as they too give their report to the LHC. However one drawback of this would be that the case would be out of the Punjab government's hands and fully with the Federal government. The Punjab government has a lot of motivation to not bend to US pressure as they have nothing to gain from it. But the police is highly inept to handle this.

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Let Davis go; Pakistan cannot fight a superpower.

Remember the Klingon proverb, "revenge is a dish best served cold."

tsk tsk... defeatist at best...

You forget the much more famous saying...

Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam

Today is a good day to die!!!

 

[Developereo]

Brother....Let it come....bcz that "Revenge" will be a cure to all Pakistanis Diesease in the longer run...!!

Khuda Tujhe Kisi Toofan say Aashna Kar-day
Kay Tairay Be-her Ki Mojoon main Iz-tirab Naheen

In real life conflict, the winner is usually the one who stays calm and doesn't let anger cloud his judgement.

A 300 pound guy who never went to the gym, never worked out, and ate crap all his life cannot take on the world heavy weight boxing champ, no matter how angry he is. It is worse than a suicide mission because his family will be left destitute without him. The only thing to do is to let it be a wakeup call and reform his body, so he is in a better position to fight next time.

Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam

Today is a good day to die!!!

I'd rather be a winner than a martyr. Everybody has an Achilles' heal; the trick is to live another day and fight back.

 

[Tameem]

In real life conflict, the winner is usually the one who stays calm and doesn't let anger cloud his judgement.

Dear In this age of Atomic warfare...the real winner is "Ideology" not the meat or the machine!!! So Don't loose hope on the sole assumptions of both!!!!!

 

[Awesome]

Russian Foreign intelligence confirms Davis's CIA status and reports of helping Taliban

For gods sakes, why is CIA or the Black Operations team helping the Taliban with Nuclear/biological weapons? CIA gone rogue?

This is not just the Pakistani media reporting this, even the Indians have picked it up.

Davis was giving Nuke material to Qaeda: Report

London: Double murder-accused US official Raymond Davis has been found in possession of top-secret CIA documents, which point to him or the feared American Task Force 373 (TF373) operating in the region, providing al Qaeda terrorists with “nuclear fissile material” and “biological agents", according to a report.

Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) is warning that the situation on the sub-continent has turned “grave” as it appears that open warfare is about to break out between Pakistan and the United States, The European Union Times reports.

The SVR warned in its report that the apprehension of 36-year-old Davis, who shot dead two Pakistani men in Lahore last month, had fuelled this crisis.

According to the report, the combat skills exhibited by Davis, along with documentation taken from him after his arrest, prove that he is a member of US’ TF373 black operations unit currently operating in the Afghan War Theatre and Pakistan’s tribal areas, the paper said.

While the US insists that Davis is one of their diplomats, and the two men he killed were robbers, Pakistan says that the duo were ISI agents sent to follow him after it was discovered that he had been making contact with al Qaeda, after his cell phone was tracked to the Waziristan tribal area bordering Afghanistan, the paper said.

The most ominous point in this SVR report is “Pakistan’s ISI stating that top-secret CIA documents found in Davis’s possession point to his, and/or TF373, providing to al Qaeda terrorists “nuclear fissile material” and “biological agents”, which they claim are to be used against the United States itself in order to ignite an all-out war in order to re-establish the West’s hegemony over a Global economy that is warned is just months away from collapse,” the paper added.

 

[Developereo]

Dear In this age of Atomic warfare...the real winner is "Ideology" not the meat or the machine!!! So Don't loose hope on the sole assumptions of both!!!!!

Pakistan will not use atomic weapons. I can guarantee you that the US knows exactly where each and every one of our nukes is stored. They will be neutralized first in any war. And the US will reduce Pakistan into Afghanistan without even breaking a sweat.

The US is not just a superpower; it is a hyperpower. Even Russia is all talk - they dare not take on the US.

Do you have any idea how the local population lives when you have foreign troops in the streets? Even UN troops? There will be ten thousand Davises running lose, killing with impunity. Our high schools will turn into brothels, and our peopel will be reduced to begging for food scraps. There is no dignity there.

 

[Tameem]

Pakistan will not use atomic weapons. I can guarantee you that the US knows exactly where each and every one of our nukes is stored. They will be neutralized first in any war. And the US will reduce Pakistan into Afghanistan without even breaking a sweat.

The US is not just a superpower; it is a hyperpower. Even Russia is all talk - they dare not take on the US.

Do you have any idea how the local population lives when you have foreign troops in the streets? Even UN troops? There will be ten thousand Davises running lose, killing with impunity. Our high schools will turn into brothels, and our peopel will be reduced to begging for food scraps. There is no dignity there.

There is no treatment of chronic fear......!!! Rightly said earlier by someone.

Wa-EZa Khataba Humul Jahiloona....Qaloo Salamaaaa!!!

SALAMMAAA

 

[JonAsad]

I am happy- such minority cowards- fearful- people are living in the west- First there was an American-- now an Australian- they are just like western mouthpieces-- like old age "Qasids"-- giving us the message before a battle- Surrender or face Annihilation-- In the end it depends on the people in the country- the majority- what they want- it seems like they are not in a mood to bow down to the supposedly supreme- Americans-