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US official in Pakistan shooting may face charges


LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) — A U.S. consular employee in Pakistan alleged to have shot dead two gunmen who may have been intent on robbing him has been formally placed under arrest and could face murder charges, authorities said Friday, in a case that may inflame anti-American anger in the country.

A third Pakistani was killed in the incident Thursday in the bustling city of Lahore, allegedly after being hit by a U.S. vehicle rushing to aid the American.

Police officer Umar Saeed said Friday the American had told officers he had withdrawn money from an ATM shortly before the incident, raising the possibility the two men were following him. Others Pakistani officers have said the men were likely robbers and both were carrying pistols.

The issue of American diplomats or their security detail carrying weapons inside Pakistan was a hot-button subject last year among certain politicians and sections of the media purportedly worried about the country's sovereignty. Many Pakistanis regard the United States with suspicion or outright enmity because of its occupation of neighboring Afghanistan and regular missile attacks against militant targets in Pakistan's northwest.

"'American Rambo' goes berserk in Lahore,'" read the headline in The Nation, a right-wing newspaper that often publishes anti-U.S. conspiracy theories.

Western diplomats travel with armed guards in many parts of Pakistan because of the risk of militant attack. Lahore has seen frequent terrorist bombings and shootings over the last two years, though the city's small expatriate population has not been directly targeted.

Punjab province Law Minister Rana Sanaullah said the American was formally placed under arrest after a complaint from a brother of one of the victims. The case is being investigated as a potential murder, and the American may face that charge, Sanaullah said.

Lahore police chief Aslam Tareen said the American may also face a charge involving illegally carrying a weapon, a Beretta pistol.

"Diplomatic staff usually enjoy a certain type of immunity, but I am not sure about murder," Tareen said. "We will consult the Foreign Office and legal advisers in this regard."

In a two-sentence statement Friday, the U.S. embassy confirmed that a consulate staffer "was involved in an incident yesterday that regrettably resulted in the loss of life." The U.S. was working with Pakistanis to "determine the facts and work toward a resolution," it said.


Robbers on motorbikes pulling up alongside cars and holding them up is a common crime in Pakistani cities.

A newspaper editorial in The Express Tribune said it was reasonable for Western diplomats to travel armed, but noted that in America shooting in self-defense can result in a conviction, especially if it can be proved that the accused used excessive force.

Americans and other foreigners have also been frequently targeted by Islamist militants in Pakistan.

In the northwestern city of Peshawar in 2008, gunmen shot and killed a U.S. aid worker as he drove to work. Suspected militants also opened fire on the vehicle of the top American diplomat in the city the same year, but she survived the attack.

The Associated Press: US official in Pakistan shooting may face charges
 
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Just look at the mischief in the AP report that its 'common' crime in Pakistan that motor bikes will pull up along side for robbery attempts.

There are so many check posts in Lahore these days that that idea that you can rob someone on gunpoint and drive away on a motorbike and that too in a crowded place like mozzang is way too far fetched.

This SOB killed these poor people in cold blood and he must be punished for his crimes
 
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Firing a full magazine of rounds into two victims is no self defence , this is murder , his intent was not to disable but to KILL!

Basically after he emptied the magazine he tried to flee the scene , if it was self defence he should have gone to the police and identifed himself as one seeking protection from attempted robbery but this rat tried to flee and was chased down and caught by the traffic wardens.
 
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Just look at the mischief in the AP report that its 'common' crime in Pakistan that motor bikes will pull up along side for robbery attempts.

There are so many check posts in Lahore these days that that idea that you can rob someone on gunpoint and drive away on a motorbike and that too in a crowded place like mozzang is way too far fetched.


This SOB killed these poor people in cold blood and he must be punished for his crimes

Stop making false propositions. I don't know what kind of image you have about Pakistan but AP report is correct - these things also happen infront of Police with no action taken by them.

Pakistanis are always in denial mode.
 
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Ok, we assume that they were robbers but why they had 4 WIRELESS SETS? Is there any explanation?
 
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Stop making false propositions. I don't know what kind of image you have about Pakistan but AP report is correct - these things also happen infront of Police with no action taken by them.

It might be a common thing in Karachi but its not so widespread in Lahore and these days , given the number of check posts that are there , it very unlikely that motor cyclists ( who are checked the most ) would carry weapons and attempt a robbery.
 
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Ok, we assume that they were robbers but why they had 4 WIRELESS SETS? Is there any explanation?

If they were that sophistcated that they had weapons and wireless sets they would not be on motor cycles , trust me

these are all lies and misinformation being speread since the killer is a white american.
 
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It might be a common thing in Karachi but its not so widespread in Lahore and these days , given the number of check posts that are there , it very unlikely that motor cyclists ( who are checked the most ) would carry weapons and attempt a robbery.

No i live here and these things happen and im witness to them - Law and order is very bad in Pakistan.

Ok, we assume that they were robbers but why they had 4 WIRELESS SETS? Is there any explanation?

That's what police is for, to investigate and charge those responsible.
 
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The Facts are very clear

- This guys does not have diplomatic imunity and he was not authorized to carry a weapon
- He killed two people with mutiple bullets and tried to flee the scene
- His colleague ran over and killed a bystander
- The police chased him and caught him
- He has been formally charged with murder.


Now we Pakistanis would like to see justice being done.
The prosecution should seek the death penalty for him.
 
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The US foreign office quoted by Media saying the name of the diplomat being mentioned in the media is wrong . Now one wonders who is using fake name ?
 
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I think diplomacy will go under way and he will be tried in the US and spent his time in jail there if he is convicted.
 
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I think diplomacy will go under way and he will be tried in the US and spent his time in jail there if he is convicted.

thats not possible like that innocent lady of Pakistan in US jail.... i forgot her name here..............

hang this david on same street ASAP otherwise next time people will do justice on streets.....even in the name of self defense he cannot use more force and there is no proof that these 2 guys attacked him so self defense cannot be proved....
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Court grants 6-day remand of American

LAHORE: US Consulate employee was produced in court Friday on double murder charges, Geo News reported, a day after he shot dead two men on a motorcycle in what he said was self-defence.

The US citizen was appeared before the Senior Judge Zafar Iqbal who handed over the accused to the police on six-day remand.

The man, Raymond Davis was described by the State Department in Washington as an American civilian working for the US Consulate in Lahore.

A third Pakistani was crushed to death by a consulate car that went to the scene to aid the man following the shooting in a busy street in the eastern city.

Provincial law minister Rana Sanaullah said officials had asked the US Consulate to release the second vehicle and its driver to police.

The US embassy in Islamabad has confirmed the man involved was a consular worker but said it was still trying to work out with the police what had happened.

Punjab minister Sanaullah said no American pressure would be allowed to influence the criminal case.


Court grants 6-day remand of American
 
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There are new updates that the bullets he fired from his weapon for killing Pakistanis, were banned by Hague Convention . So under the law its against the rules to use these bullets
 
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