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Recall your memory & tell me since when last time you liked a thread where Pakistan have a upper hand. ????
This is when i say it hearts when your enemy is superior then you.
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Wilco
It was more traitors then Raw, bcoz of whome we lost East Pakistan, But you know What happens happens for good, now we are happy that we dont have it.Astra said:I Creation of Bangladesh- RAW sensed the opposition of Govt in East pakistan and the timily assault divided Pakistan into two smaller halves, which are easy to handle militarily.
this is unfortunately the indian version which more unfortunately is not true.II Siachen- RAW noted the purchase of huge amount of Arctic-weather gear, and alerted Indian Army, which captured Siachen.
Killing inocents in not the moto of ISI but of Raw you knew it i knew it no need to explain, even if Cat kills *** in India the cat is investigated to be an possible ISI agent.ISI - Apart from doing some bomb blasts, they have not been able to go any further. And now the relults are even worse. Spending millions on Taliban, and losing it to Northern Alliance/US. And now you are fighting your own ISI created Taliban.
It was more traitors then Raw, bcoz of whome we lost East Pakistan, But you know What happens happens for good, now we are happy that we dont have it.
this is unfortunately the indian version which more unfortunately is not true.
if we have bought the Arctic-Weather gear then our soldiers who initially fought there were not in Regular Jerssies. do some research then post your comments.
I was infact the success of ISI the he informed us about your Ideas of invading our territory, & we send our men in -50C with regular Uniform & most of initial casualities were bcoz of this..
Killing inocents in not the moto of ISI but of Raw you knew it i knew it no need to explain, even if Cat kills *** in India the cat is investigated to be an possible ISI agent..
it was ISI who broke Mighty Russia into Small Pieces, if we have did it in past we are capable of doing it now.
Tnx This was what i wanter to hear. i will use it in some future time, write down that you will not even belive your own statement.Traitors are created, they are not born. RAW did it, because its in our national interest to be a regional player.
You captured Siachian in your dreams, but carry on have sweet dreams.No matter what you say, india captured siachen, its one of Pakistans biggest failure after Bangladesh.
Here are some authentic links that discuss about ISI being involved in terrorist activities:
BBC News | SOUTH ASIA | Pakistan spy service 'aiding Bin Laden'
Backgrounder: The ISI and Terrorism: Behind the Accusations
BBC NEWS | South Asia | West 'will fail' without Pakistan
Yes the world knows who did it. so no discussion needed.The world knows who did it. You assisted them by creating Taliban, which Pakistan themselves have to fight now. Does it look like a good strategy?
well i think no intellegence agency can be compared with other.
All basically are doing best on their part.
look at the scale of bad blood and human sufferings all due to the proxies arround the world.
Wilco dear dont get into this if you had seen the man is trying to get hand on something (sick).
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BTW on a lighter note.
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ISI trained monkey caught in New Delhi.
December 20, 2007.
New Delhi: The New Delhi Police has released pictures of a monkey which it claims has been trained by the Pakistani intelligence agency, the ISI, to undertake missions which are difficult for human agents. New Delhi Police Chief, H.K. Gandphatrai congratulated the police on this occasion. According to police sources, the monkey Raju (name changed for security reasons) was trained for two years in a specialized training centre in the Pakistani city of Gujjar Khan before being sent accross the Line of Control.
In the last couple of years, a number of monkeys started to break into various offices of the Indian Government. Last year, a gang of monkeys were responsible for stealing classified files from the office of the Prime Minister. Earlier this year, the Deputy Mayor of Delhi was killed by a gang of monkeys. Police authorities said that they had thought the attacks were due to their Lord Hanuman being unhappy with them, but the arrest of Raju has given a whole new dimension to the cases. Authorities believe that Raju the monkey will provide them with critical leads to arrest the other members of his monkey gang.
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I think chaman will be happy to know the approach of two agencies
Its not possible to really compare intelligence agencies, since every intelligence agency is not made under the same conditions, or have the same objectives.
The objectives and manner of operating of intelligence agencies differ according to their nations. Some intelligence agencies have very little to do, since their country has no enemies and very little crime or corruption. Eg Scandinavian intelligence agencies. after the cold war, they have very little work. but that doesnt mean they are incapable.
Different agencies are formed for different purposes, and have different objectives. You cant compare two agencies fairly, since they may have different purposes, and also because some of their hidden agendas are not revealed to the public. Also, budget allocated to intelligence agencies are almost always higher than publicised figures, so one cant really know how efficient an intelligence agency is.
The success of an intelligence agency should be measured by the number of their objectives the agency has completed, and most of all, by how well they have kept peace in their country. also, their influence in their own nation and in enemy nations is important.
Then there's thee fact that intelligence agencies dont give info on their activities. A lot of them, like the CIA, publicise their failure and hide their successes, so as to make enemies underestimate them. The best example was when the CIA salvaged a sunken soviet golf class sub, and recieved critical info on soviet submarine tactics and codes. the project was declassified only several decades later. after all, the true strength of an intelligence agency lies in deception and secrecy. the more their enemies underestimate them, the less they will take safeguards against the agency, making it easier for the agency to carry out their operations.
In conclusion, i can say that we can only speculate whether RAW or ISI is better. Their true objectives, successes and failures will be classified for many years to come. For all we know, right now one of them might be undertaking a major operation that would destroy the other. but we wont know about it for decades. its fun to speculate, but i doubt that what we say happened or is happening is what really happened or is happening.
in my opinion, based on what i know from declassified operations, the best intelligence agency is Mossad. they have always gathered critical information about their enemies, prevented their enemies infiltrating into israeli security system successfully, prevented countless terrorist attacks, and most importantly, made sure israel always had an edge over their vastly numerically superior enemies. i doubt that israel could have won any wars without Mossad.
Imported to Delhi from a more exotic land?
You captured Siachian in your dreams, but carry on have sweet dreams.
so you're saying that mossad or cia are not effective, moron?What fools!
You ought to realize that in the first place, a secret service ought to remain secret; in which case, it should occur to you all that the less you know and hear about it the more effective it is.
whatever, ISI has been able to bleed india from all directions. last time I checked, the golden temple was blown by a tank, assam is in fire, kashmir militancy, naxalites, maoists, fake currency being pumped into the economy, mizoram, all jihadi outfits in indiaand growing, bangladesh, parliament attack following 2002 border line up, bombay blasts, dawood ibrahim, extortion, crime, etc. a large chunk of your country is not even under your writ anymore, i can't possibly understand why you're plotting our destruction.On that note alone, RAW scores a victory over the ISI because while you lot castigate RAW for 'never being in the news' and for 'being a fat elephant', they are silently and skillfully plotting your destruction- and doing an excellent job of it too, evidenced potently by the scarcity of 'news' imputing their culpability : recall the spate of recent bomb blasts and assassinations in your major cities and how your 'superior' ISI is still blaming the islamists! hoohaha
the ISI is just as ruthless, and is a totally rogue network. that's why it's earned a name for itself, "a state within a state". the KGB also had immense spotlight in the media, that doesn't make them any bit as inefficient, does it?Ofcourse, one of you will no doubt allege that I am merely trying to find an excuse for RAW's lack of reputation. After all, Mossad and the CIA have carefully cultivated theirs and have therefore become feared to a point of admiration. But you see, that is exactly what you don't realize- that a reputation for ruthlessness is precisely in the utmost national interest of Israel- given its posture of mutually open aggression against and circumscription by numerous hostile states. Mossad's reputation for ruthlessness is as much a deterrent as it is an achievement- a deterrent to possible terror attacks by sowing the seeds of doubt and trepidation in the minds of its would be protagonists- at the stage of formulation itself .
it's reputation is exaggerated? you're a total idiot, your intelligence shows me just how mature you are. after all, this is just another india vs. pakistan thread to you, right?As for the CIA, while certainly adept in its organization and execution, its reputation has very often been exaggerated (as it is being done here now) and this is as much a product of the Cold-War era as it is of popular imagination manifested in hollywood flicks. That is not to say that the CIA is not good, hell no! it certainly is, but then again the need for an histrionic reputation is justified by the numerous wars America engages in and is sometimes as useful as the agency itself.
wishful thinking on your part, again. the ISI is tied down to india, they basically control afghanistan, even right now (it's a pretty tall claim on your part, considering that you ignore the fact that the ISI has destroyed two afghan governments).In the second place, India's sphere of influence is much larger than Pakistan's , whose strategic and intelligence capabilities, in the words of its own leaders, are primarily directed towards India. India's intelligence missions, on the other hand, encompass the entire subcontinent, most of the middle east, Afghanistan, parts of East Asia and most importantly China, a much larger and potent security challenge than Pakistan. Effectively, you are all comparing one agency, whose faculties are concentrated in a specific sphere, to another, whose capacities are straddled across many frontiers- an unfair comparison to say the least.
you just found this out? R&AW has been trained by KGB, Mossad for more than 30 years now, go ahead add the CIA to the picture. it makes no difference. out country is much smaller, with less people so it's easier to control. on top of that, we have national database of 140 million people. that's far better than what you have, considering millions of people in india who don't even exist.And finally, as one of you rightly mentioned, RAW agents often share training and intelligence with the Mossad and the KGB (and ever since the war on terrorism, with the CIA as well). Not just that, it has had considerable experience foiling Maoist plots and home-grown insurgencies (some, no doubt, sponsored by Pakistan), in addition to battling Islamic militants in Kashmir.
India's satellite monitoring systems are also far more advanced than Pakistan's and have put friendly states' satellites into orbit- both for surveillance and other activities: see the recent launch of an Israeli spy satellite from a base in southern India that will provide shared information on hostile states in the vicinity.
ohhh, that's scary Germany and Singapore! ISI already colloborates with other agencies, why do you seem to ignore that? why does it even matter, do you think R&AW still needs help?And, in more grim news for Pakistan, the RAW has also started collaborating with intelligence agencies from other countries such as Germany, Britain, France and Singapore.
yeah, yeah, yeah, i've heard that a lot. get your own house in order, and we do ours. i don't even have to think about how powerful our agency is. The ISI became probably the most powerful intelligence agency in the 1980's when it brought down the Soviet war machine. you saw a massive uprising in sikh militancy, kashmir, assam, and other places in India at that time. we destroyed the afghan govt. a second time just for fun, nuclear material smuggling right under the nose of the western govt's.I caution the Pak-praisers and the India-drubbers therefore to think twice about how they interpret information (or the lack thereof) on the RAW and the IB ( India's other intelligence agency). We are far stronger than you can ever imagine...