Rapprochement with Pakistan not on cards: Israel

[Indus Pakistan]

Thing is Indonesians are high IQ. Even if Indonesia accepts Israel, the Indonesian people although not happy will not start rioting.

Bingo. Please ready my reply above.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I will still go with Indonesia. I might be wrong but the Indonesian state is very strong like the Turkish state. I have wagered on Oman and Indonesia so let's see what happens. Who do you bet on?


Why is this relevant? Because I think almost all Muslim states besides Iran are ready to accept Israel. However the differance between those who have taken the step and those who have not is very simple. Those that are weak and fear public backlash are keeping quite. Only those states that are strong and can push their public into following the decision of the government are taking the step forward. And I think Indonesia is strong. Pakistan is weak which is why I wager on Indonesia.

I am leaning towards Oman,Tunisia at the moment Indonesia is very large diverse country but let's wait and see but one thing for sure the Mid East is being divided into a GCC/Israel block vs Iran and their proxies

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

I think you are Hypocrite or do not know History..

Jews were living on the land which is now named as Israel & Palestine, Even they were living on Medina, when Islam was not born, They were kicked from Arab by Umar, And they went to Europe and other areas of the world..

Muslims even sold Palestine land (of Jews) to Jews via UK after World Wars 1 by " Balfour Declaration".
Even Muslims main holly place is Mecca not Jerusalem, While Jews Jerusalem.

They are trying to stop bloody proxy war.. Muslims from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh are expert in Fatwa giving.. Declaring Kafirs...

Almost every Influential Muslim state has recognize Israel, except Saudi

So, I generally would assume people would lie on stuff they can easily getaway with... but you are quite blatant, repeatedly spewing bogus material knowing fully that these are verifiably incorrect.
Perhaps, ignorance, driven by an agenda or pure hubris is at play here!
Jews were not living in Jerusalem when it was ceded by Archbishop of Aelia(Jerusalem) to Omar(R.A.)! Archbishop as part of his agreement specifically notated that he wouldn't want Muslims to allow Jews to resettle in Jerusalem! Muslims did NOT dislocate Jews, that happened at the destruction of the second temple, 70AD!
Zionists purchased land in guise of persecuted community fleeing pogroms, persecution and Antisemitism in Europe and Russia under British patronage, knowing fully what the intended course was...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Can you really say most of their leaders weren't traitors to Muslims?

I for life of me can't understand how you can take liberty on 1.5 billion Muslims spread across the globe and speaking on their behalf as if the have one mind, one thought and one mouth - yours. I just can't. Do you by any chance hold some validation certificate from the almighty?

They would only be traitors if, and NOTE this IF the Palestininan - Israeli conflict was about Islam or Muslims. IT IS NOT. The conflict is about a native people [Muslim and Christians of Palestininan stock] against European settlers.

If the European settlers had been Muslim there still would have been conflict unless you think Muslim on Muslim displacement makes it halal. When Iraq invaded Kuwait the Kuwaiti's did not say "jee the invaders are Muslim and Arab speakers so this is halal". When the Afghans cause trouble on the Durand Line I don't hear anybody saying "Jee they are Muslims so all is cool".

This issue is not about Islam. This issue is about territorial ambitions which includes Jews, Christians and Muslims in the conflic. Got it?

Two noteable Christian Palestinians -

George Habash - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ashrawi was born to Palestinian Christian parents on October 8, 1946 in the city of Nablus, British Mandate for Palestine, now part of the occupied West Bank.[5] Her father, Daoud Mikhail, was a physician and one of the founders of the Palestine Liberation Organization,[6][7] and her mother Wadi’a ***’ad Mikhail, was an ophthalmic nurse.[6]

Hanan Daoud Mikhael Ashrawi (Arabic: حنان داوود مخايل عشراوي‎; born October 8, 1946) is a Palestinian leader, legislator, activist, and scholar who served as a member of the Leadership Committee and as an official spokesperson of the Palestinian delegation to the Middle East peace process, beginning with the Madrid Peace Conference of 1991.

 

[PakPrinciples]

Pakistan already burning, more than 80k killed by so called Jehadi mullah, including 6k+ troops only in Swat,
Almost all Jehadi/Sectarian Groups were made by Zia and his Rats, All those groups are still active with different names..

Not true at all, our problems stem from Pakistan's participation in the "War of Terror" on Afghanistan.

The US has effectively become the new USSR.

We've lost troops to the same ideology that was invading us in the 60s who have been allowed to brainwash some of our peoples via liberal/secular PTM which focuses their efforts on ethnocentrism to drive Pakistani's apart the same way the Pushoonistan movement did in the 60s under a Soviet allied Afghanistan under the protection of a large foreign power (before it was the USSR now the US)

The Mujahid of the war against the USSR are largely gone while the IEA has been a friend to Pakistan and its people.

Zia was probably the greatest military leader this country had, not a single leader since Jinnah and Liaquat Ali Khan of the Muslim League even accomplish anything close to what he did.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

So let's see the only countries to recognize Israel were dictatorships and those the US has paid off to be their friend?

That is because most Muslim countries are fcukin dictatorships unless I missed something. And Turkey is a democracy. I don't see Erdogan unrecognizing Israel.

 

[Yankee-stani]

That is because most Muslim countries are fcukin dictatorships unless I missed something. And Turkey is a democracy. I don't see Erdogan unrecognizing Israel.

The Turkish-Israeli tension is all for show tbh it does exist it's all about certain gas pipelines in the East Med both Netanyahu and Erdogan are similar in domestic politics regards both are predominantly supported by conservative sections of society eg-Orthodox Jews and Religous Muslims so this type of rhetoric gets them the votes but interesting enough they govern their respective countries as centrists

Ok, You are Right, Happy ?
But tell me Jews were living in Palestine before Muslims or not ?

OK, Tell me, Why Muslims sold land of Palestine ? Now, why they are fighting if they sold lands?
Now, Saudi Mullah are trying to stay away from claims that Prophet Mohammad went to Sky from Palestine..

I will be honest with you f..ck the Ashkenazi Jews and Palestinians I would rather have either Iran or Turkey rule over the lands than these bickering SOBs

 

[Trailer23]

What a waste of conversation.

Its not us, and that's all that matters.

 

[Clutch]

Amin..... but this is trolling and off topic. As usual another example of biased moderation.
BTW, Pakistan has been hit hard by the economic hit man and his aides.

Evidence has come out that the Patwari government tried an reproach towards Israel and not this one. Very much in topic.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Ok, You are Right, Happy ?
But tell me Jews were living in Palestine before Muslims or not ?

OK, Tell me, Why Muslims sold land of Palestine ? Now, why they are fighting if they sold lands?
Now, Even Saudi are trying to stay away from claims that Prophet Mohammad went to Sky from Palestine by Buraq..
Now, they are saying Prophet Mohammad went by Buraq from Saudi Mosque with same name but not from Palestine..

https://www.israelhayom.com/2020/11/29/from-mecca-to-jerusalem/

Saudi researcher Osama Yamani claims in the Saudi establishment paper Okaz, near Mecca on the Arabia Peninsula?


According to Yamani, the mosque Muhammad visited is actually located in Al-Ju'ranah in Saudi Arabia's Makkah Province.

So, true to form... supplant one lie with another. Get a hobby!

 

[White and Green with M/S]

I met a patwari this morning.

And what is this, are you trying to troll here???

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Ok, You are Right, Happy ?
But tell me Jews were living in Palestine before Muslims or not ?

OK, Tell me, Why Muslims sold land of Palestine ? Now, why they are fighting if they sold lands?
Now, Even Saudi are trying to stay away from claims that Prophet Mohammad went to Sky from Palestine by Buraq..
Now, they are saying Prophet Mohammad went by Buraq from Saudi Mosque with same name but not from Palestine..

https://www.israelhayom.com/2020/11/29/from-mecca-to-jerusalem/

Saudi researcher Osama Yamani claims in the Saudi establishment paper Okaz, near Mecca on the Arabia Peninsula?


According to Yamani, the mosque Muhammad visited is actually located in Al-Ju'ranah in Saudi Arabia's Makkah Province.

And there is a hadith of our prophet that predicted Jews will return on their country ISRAEL, HENCE THIS HADITH prediction that JEW will return on their country ISRAEL ALREADY HAD BEEN COMPLETED, WILL YOU DENY THIS HADITH, WILL YA???

 

[Unite & Defend]

What's the point discussing this - Pakistan will NEVER recognise them. Bear in mind - they have put a lot of hurting on Pakistan over the decades, covertly. Much of this knowledge is not available in public domains.

The majority view in Pakistan regarding this matter, cannot be swayed, not now, not in 30 years.

For me - What would be offered in exchange if there was a path to recognition - and 300 F whatever, as some here have quoted, just won't cut it, nor will whatever BNs.

Pakistanis are the most RESOLUTE people amongst ALL Muslim orientated nations - just a REMINDER to a few of the fellas on this thread.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Can someone please explain why a significant number of our fellow Pakistanis are so touchy, insecure and averse to Pakistan recognizing Israel? These guys are also not bothered about the well-being and best interests of Pakistan as well.

What's the point discussing this - Pakistan will NEVER recognise them. Bear in mind - they have put a lot of hurting on Pakistan over the decades, covertly. Much of this knowledge is not available in public domains.

The majority view in Pakistan regarding this matter, cannot be swayed, not now, not in 30 years.

For me - What would be offered in exchange if there was a path to recognition - and 300 F whatever, as some here have quoted, just won't cut it, nor will whatever BNs.

Pakistanis are the most RESOLUTE people amongst ALL Muslim orientated nations - just a REMINDER to a few of the fellas on this thread.

Not saying that I disagree with you but what do we Pakistanis do when the Palestinians themselves recognize and heed to all of Israel's demands?

 

[Trango Towers]

What will Pakistan do when the Palestinians eventually recognise Israel and heed to all their demands?

Why rush to recognise a fascist state?