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It is a good start. :tup:

But for true retribution, I sincerely hope that these disgusting rapists get a taste of their own medicine, by having the same thing done to them that they did to the poor girl. I.e. A jagged and splintered iron bar up their as$ until they rupture internally and die a slow and painful death.

Of course, the justice system doesn't deal with revenge/retribution... so I'm hoping that their fellow inmates take care of this.
 
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It is a good start.

But for true retribution, I sincerely hope that these disgusting rapists get a taste of their own medicine, by having the same thing done to them that they did to the poor girl. I.e. A jagged and splintered iron bar up their as$ until they rupture internally and die a slow and painful death.

As I hear, they are playing unwilling b**ches to the Tihar inmate these days.. I never thought that this form of medieval justice will make me feel good, but life does have a way of surprising you...
 
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As I hear, they are playing unwilling b**ches to the Tihar inmate these days.. I never thought that this form of medieval justice will make me feel good, but life does have a way of surprising you...

It's a very human reaction to such horrible events. I know it is wrong, but I can't help praying that these sick individuals across the world (including the one in China who tried to stab schoolchildren) get punished in the most extreme way possible.

The Indian guards in the jails would be doing the world a favour if they turned a blind eye to the punishment being meted out by their fellow inmates.
 
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hehehehe .. Everytime PKKH posts something it gets bashed alike by both Indian and Pakistanis .

You Know why because they are the most bigoted , shoddy journalists and Epitome of Ignorance .

Too many God Gets People Confused . LOL . As in One God has made life any better for women and children in Pakistan . I won't post the figures as it has already been posted by @fateh71 and @karan.1970 .

Maybe before having fits of verbal diarrhea they should reminisce about what people say about "Glass-house" .
 
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It's a very human reaction to such horrible events. I know it is wrong, but I can't help praying that these sick individuals across the world (including the one in China who tried to stab schoolchildren) get punished in the most extreme way possible.

The Indian guards in the jails would be doing the world a favour if they turned a blind eye to the punishment being meted out by their fellow inmates.

So true, specially since each of these 6 Mofos belong to the section of the society whose living conditions are worse off than what one gets in an Indian prison. So in absence of this mob justice, these guys are actually getting an upgrade by being imprisoned for this heinous crime
 
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It's a very human reaction to such horrible events. I know it is wrong, but I can't help praying that these sick individuals across the world (including the one in China who tried to stab schoolchildren) get punished in the most extreme way possible.

The Indian guards in the jails would be doing the world a favour if they turned a blind eye to the punishment being meted out by their fellow inmates.

Completely agreed !!

Wow man. It kind of shows the intelligence level of an average Pakistani. Disappointing.

Average Pakistanis are much better than these vile hate spewing creatures .
 
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hehehehe .. Everytime PKKH posts something it gets bashed alike by both Indian and Pakistanis .

You Know why because they are the most bigoted , shoddy journalists and Epitome of Ignorance .

Too many God Gets People Confused . LOL . As in One God has made life any better for women and children in Pakistan . I won't post the figures as it has already been posted by @fateh71 and @karan.1970 .

Maybe before having fits of verbal diarrhea they should reminisce about what people say about "Glass-house" .

Apart from a few idiots on this forum, I do not know a single Pakistani (and I know a lot of them) who has tried to take a swipe at India or at Hinduism at the back of this tragedy.. So do not read too much into the comments of some (minority) of the morons on this forum.

And please, for the love of God, dont call PKKH folks as journalists.. I know we are not very fond of media, but that's really below the belt for the journalists :)
 
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Apart from a few idiots on this forum, I do not know a single Pakistani (and I know a lot of them) who has tried to take a swipe at India or at Hinduism at the back of this tragedy.. So do not read too much into the comments of some (minority) of the morons on this forum.

And please, for the love of God, dont call PKKH folks as journalists.. I know we are not very fond of media, but that's really below the belt for the journalists :)

My point was the same mate :) .
 
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Average Pakistanis are much better than these vile hate spewing creatures .

Doubt it. Many Pakistani's are indeed intelligent. But the majority or the average is just an uneducated or even educated but bigoted person with the analysis skills of a teaspoon!

You didnt see the underhanded comment in the article about 'having many gods'. This is the kind of stuff average Pakistani's are all about.
 
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When compared to 1971 mass rapes its nothing ,have your father/grandfather saved your family women at that time? or IA saved just share your story. Even you are victim product don't hesitate feel free.

actually assad71 himself was a freedom fighter. atleast give some respect 2 the elderly guy.
 
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Doubt it. Many Pakistani's are indeed intelligent. But the majority or the average is just an uneducated or even educated but bigoted person with the analysis skills of a teaspoon!

You didnt see the underhanded comment in the article about 'having many gods'. This is the kind of stuff average Pakistani's are all about.


Saw that and commented on it . I have come across bigoted persons but by and large my experience with Pakistanis was positive . And Its not just about interaction on PDF but various social medias , communities and personal meetups .

actually assad71 himself was a freedom fighter. atleast give some respect 2 the elderly guy.

This is Just Sad . Disrespecting freedom fighter on defence forum ...
 
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Taking the aggression out of masculinity

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CELEBRATING MANHOOD: Religious customs, such as Karva Chauth openly propagate male-worship. Photo: Rohit Jain Paras

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CELEBRATING MANHOOD: Swami Vivekananda’s masculine photographic-pose is revealing of how Indian nationalism encouraged a deeply masculine notion of modernity. Photo: R. Shivaji Rao

The Indian family has been a long-standing site for reinforcing and perpetuating male privilege and entitlement

Sexual crimes derive from social attitudes and no serious effort at lessening their occurrence can ever depend upon cosmetic measures such as greater policing and calls for the death penalty. This is not to deny either the legitimacy of the anger over the terrible event that led to the recent rape and death of a young woman, or that the Indian justice system frequently subjects rape victims to as much trauma as the original act itself. Rather, that there is more urgent need than ever to think about the cultures of masculinity in India. While there have been good reasons why women’s studies departments and many non-governmental organisations have been resistant to including a focus on masculinity as a way of understanding gender, the time is ripe for a change in this attitude. Now, more than ever, we require an understanding of masculine cultures that is informed by feminist methods and perspectives. Gender is always a relationship between women, men (and other genders) and unless we have a sense of how boys are socialised as men, our understanding of the ways in which gender oppression unfolds will always be incomplete.

Socially produced

Masculine cultures infuse all significant aspects of modern life and masculinity refers to the socially produced ways of being male. That is to say, men learn to be men and this “learning” is expressed both in terms of social structures as well as in the ways in which men present themselves in everyday life. So, for example, the idea of “men’s work” and “women’s work” relates to social structure whereas the ways in which men speak, behave, gesture, and interact with other men (as well as women) reflect the behavioural aspects of masculinity. Linked to this is the idea that some ways of being a man are better than others. These ideas about gender are produced at specific sites, and these might include educational systems, customary laws and regulations, the state and its mechanisms, the family, religious norms and sanctions, popular culture, and, the media.

Finally, in this context, it is important to remember that in all societies there exist multiple ways of being a man, but that certain aggressive models of masculinity become dominant. That is to say, masculinity is not just a relationship between men and women, but also between men. Some ways of being a man are considered more manly than others.

The notions of “making” and “producing” are crucial to the study of masculine identities, for they point to their historical and social nature. The various discourses of “proper” masculine behaviour — in novels, films, advertisements, for example — would be unnecessary if it was a naturally endowed characteristic. The very fact that masculinity must consistently be reinforced — “if you buy this motorcycle you’ll be a real man” — says something about the tenuous and fragile nature of gender identities. It also suggests the possibility of foregrounding alternative models of masculinity.

Colonialism

A great deal of neglect of masculinity as an object of study lies in the celebratory ways in which we have tended to understand Indian nationalism which — in its reactions to colonial rule — produced a deeply masculine culture of modernity. So, if colonists sought to justify colonial rule by suggesting that Indians were not “manly enough” for either self-rule or rational thinking, nationalists simply inverted argument through providing “evidence” of Indian masculinity as well as “reforming” a number of social institutions to more closely reflect European ideas about “proper” families, intimacies, etc. Colonialism did not, of course, invent Indian masculinities, but it did help to cement and highlight certain regressive tendencies within it. Swami Vivekananda’s masculine photographic-pose was only one aspect of the cult of masculinity encouraged and tolerated by nationalism.

Beyond the historical context, masculine bias proliferates itself in a number of areas that have immediate bearing on everyday life. The masculinity of spaces and institutions is one of these. It has become commonplace to understand certain spaces and institutions (say, the street and Parliament) as public, and others (say, the home) as private. The terms “public” and “private” have, in turn, become linked to ideas about the “proper” realms for men and women. Women are tolerated in public spaces and within public institutions but are expected to behave “properly.” Otherwise they suffer ridicule and violence. The media quite often provides accounts of public women (say parliamentarians) through describing what they wear, or, how many children they have; women’s primary identity continues to be defined through an implicit understanding that public institutions possess (and should possess) a masculine identity. Our legal institutions just as frequently bring to bear masculine bias when dealing with gender-sensitive issues. It is not unusual, therefore, that while judges may express revulsion towards rape crimes, they may also say something like “what was this young woman doing at an ice-cream parlour at that time of the night?” The idea that women frequently contribute to their own ill-treatment through behaving in an “inappropriate” manner is part of the set of masculine attitudes that characterise a great deal of thinking on gender.

In schools

Schools are another site where masculine cultures are both produced and refined. Many of us too frequently make the simplistic assumption that there is a direct connection between girls’ education and women’s empowerment. The truth of the matter is that girls’ education continues to seen through a masculinity lens: that educated girls will make better mothers, rather than that they might be able to exercise individual autonomy. If on the one hand, schooling can reinforce dominant notions regarding “appropriate” male and female behaviour, we need also to realise that formal education is an inadequate measure of women’s autonomy. We need to move away from masculine notions of the significance of educated women as good wives and mothers.

The family and religious customs are two other extremely significant contexts for the making of masculine cultures. The Indian family has been a long-standing site for reinforcing the most pernicious aspects of masculinity. Our family lives contain elaborate formal and informal means of reinforcing and celebrating male privilege. Sons are brought up to both perpetuate and condone gender hierarchies and are nurtured with a sense of entitlement.

It is this that lies at the heart of male violence towards women. Indian “family values” are contexts of a great deal of jingoistic celebrations about what is special about Indian society. Such jingoism keeps us from turning a critical eye towards what is genuinely rotten within one of the most basic units of social life. It keeps us from critically examining the masculine cultures that impact upon the relationship between genders. It is important for women and men to protest against the crime of rape. But, it is just as important to ask why such a large number of women have taken to celebrating the Karva-Chauth festival, and, why there has been no significant public examination of such rituals of male-worship.

(Sanjay Srivastava is professor of Sociology and co-editor, Contributions to Indian Sociology, Institute of Economic Growth, New Delhi.)


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I'm glad of all news papers that The Hindu posted this article. calling out misoynistic hindu culture inherent and ingrained in india
 
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It doesnt matter who laughs at us or who does not.

People are fighting here to improve our society, no one else's. And unless we struggle, there is no one else to change things for us. Struggles like these are a start for us to make things better.
 
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