Ramdev keen to introduce yoga in Pakistan

[ARCHON]

Don't play innocent when i said i would Prefer Namaz(Prayer) over Yoga for Meditation you said that I might not also go to GYM.Now what is that Supposed to mean that Islam and Prayers do not Provide Relaxation and Meditation.

i didnt substitute namaz over gym.. if u know the words well..

 

[Luftwaffe]

Tell ramdev atleast 16 Million Muslims of Pakistan perform Prayers Nimaz which is far better than yoga. Do i have to give you details google it.

 

[sparklingway]

The traditional conservative school of thought always sees everything as a threat because in their myopic views the world works only to destroy them (as if people don't want to progress but just hurt these people). The Malaysian ban on yoga was quite a news to me, keeping in mind the traditional openness Malaysian scholars have shown as oppose to ours.

If somebody practices yoga to relax, nobody should have a problem on both religious or social reasons.

 

[sparklingway]

but how is it against islam? anyone?

Malaysian scholars believe it is "unislamic" but as always, there are numerous schools of thought

Malaysia clerics issue yoga fatwa
By Robin Brant
BBC News, Kuala Lumpur

A Chinese man practices yoga at a yoga center in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Many people see yoga as a way to maintain their health

Millions of people in Malaysia have been banned from doing yoga because of fears it could corrupt Muslims.

The Islamic authorities have issued a ruling, known as a fatwa, instructing the country's Muslims to avoid yoga because of its Hindu roots.

To most people yoga is simply a sport - a stress-busting start to the day.

Malaysia's National Fatwa Council said it goes further than that and that elements of the Indian religion are inherent in yoga.

Announcing the decision, the council chairman Abdul Shukor Husin said practices like chanting and what he called worshipping were inappropriate and they could "destroy the faith of a Muslim".

The ruling is not legally binding but many of Malaysia's Muslims abide by fatwas.

Yoga classes here are filled with mostly non-Muslim Malaysians of Chinese or Indian descent, but in the major cities it is not uncommon to see several Muslim women at classes.

Prayers and gym

For Muslims across Malaysia the day starts at 5.30 in the morning, as the call to prayer goes out.

A handful of the most devout arrive at a mosque in the western outskirts of Kuala Lumpur.

A Hindu holy man performs yoga postures during the Ardh Kumbh Mela festival in Allahabad, India (file photo)
In India, yoga is an integral part of the Hindu religion

Over the other side of the road, in the shadow of the Mosque's golden dome, a few others start arriving to start their day - at the gym.

Each is carrying a yoga mat, slung over their shoulder.

Adam Junid is a Muslim Malaysian who does both - prayers and gym, specifically yoga.

An engineer in his 30s, he goes to a weekly class for about 30 people.

"I don't think it interferes with the religion at all," he says.

"In fact it helps you, makes you healthy and more aligned and it helps you become self aware," he adds.

Adam is a rarity because it is mostly women and not many Muslims who do this.


Islam is able to cater to the needs of Muslims - spiritual needs, intellectual needs and other needs, material needs - there is no need to bring in elements from outside
Professor Osman Bakar

"The yoga masters repeat that it actually can be quite compatible with religion," he said. "It makes you a better person."

Yoga comes in many forms. For some it is a stress-busting sport. For others a serious bit of soul searching.

What Adam does once a week is the serious stuff. The class I sat in on was two hours long.

Spiritual experience

It included breathing exercises, with the help of the tick-tock of a metronome.

There was meditation, then half an hour of darkness for intense relaxation.

Before that some of the class managed a very stable headstand. Others could touch the back of their head with their foot.

"It can go with any religion," instructor Mani Sekaran told me.

"Or it can go with those who don't believe in any religion, because it's purely sports," he added.

He is also founder of the Malaysian Yoga Society. A bald and very fit man, he once did martial arts.

"If I want to train for an Olympic gold medal... whether I believe in a religion or not doesn't matter. I just keep on training."

Man at a mosque in Kuala Lumpur
Malaysia is a secular democracy where Islam is the official religion

"Based on that we can use yoga to enhance whatever we are doing, whether it is religion or whether it's spirituality... but it [yoga] is stand alone."

During the class I sat in on, yoga's Hindu roots were mentioned, albeit briefly. A spiritual experience was on offer for those who wanted it.

This is the point where some Muslims in Malaysia worry about yoga. They think it is encroaching on their way of life.

One Muslim student told me that she combined yoga techniques with prayers. That concerns some Islamic experts.

"If people want to practice yoga, the physical exercise, I think that is no problem," Professor Osman Bakar, from Malaysia's Institute of Advanced Islamic Studies, told me.

"Many Muslims would say fine. But they would object to the mixing of the two things."

"Islam is a complete way of life. Islam is able to cater to the needs of Muslims; spiritual needs, intellectual needs and other needs, material needs. So there is no need to bring in elements from outside," he added.

Adam's yoga class ended with a quick discussion about self-awareness, concentration and why people do yoga. I was not sure if this was a weekly occurrence or for my benefit.

He told me that yoga has made him a better person. He has no plans to stop.
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There has been a fatwa voicing the same opinion for Indonesia and Egypt as well.

I see no harm in practicing it as long as you're not indulging in repeating verses associated with Hinduism

 

[RobbieS]

Tell ramdev atleast 16 Million Muslims of Pakistan perform Prayers Nimaz which is far better than yoga. Do i have to give you details google it.

Yes. Please give details. No disrespect, but this is the first time I have heard such a thing.

 

[Johny lever]

yoga is good for health..I do it every day..that gives me energy to resist the punches and kicks from my wife.. i must go..its my yoga time...thank you !!

 

[sirius]

Tell ramdev atleast 16 Million Muslims of Pakistan perform Prayers Nimaz which is far better than yoga. Do i have to give you details google it.

Googled it and didnt find a single credible link
can you please do us a favour and support your claim by giving a link

 

[mjnaushad]

Googled it and didnt find a single credible link
can you please do us a favour and support your claim by giving a link

Thats because muslims pray namaz as its a duty. Not because we want to sell the exercise books.

 

[pak-yes]

Woooo now that would be stupid to find links on how many People offer Namaz.

 

[Draft]

Woooo now that would be stupid to find links on how many People offer Namaz.

It is even more stupid if one responds without reading properly.
Sirius is clearly asking luftwaffe, links which support his claim that Namaz is better than Yoga.

Tell ramdev atleast 16 Million Muslims of Pakistan perform Prayers Nimaz which is far better than yoga. Do i have to give you details google it.

Googled it and didnt find a single credible link
can you please do us a favour and support your claim by giving a link

 

[sparklingway]

It is even more stupid if one responds without reading properly.
Sirius is clearly asking luftwaffe, links which support his claim that Namaz is better than Yoga.

I support you in a limited context. There is no point in mixing a religious duty with an exercise aimed at mental and physical relaxation. Minds corrupted with images of threat to culture and ideology breed such views only.

PS:- I have never had the chance to practice yoga

 

[Imran Khan]

as i know yoga is not banned in pakistan but sorry mr baba we no need this stupid game which is nothing but make fool others (as per indian doctors)

 

[Mirza Jatt]

as i know yoga is not banned in pakistan but sorry mr baba we no need this stupid game which is nothing but make fool others (as per indian doctors)

I do not practice yoga,neither I follow Ramdev..but your claim here really makes me confused cause al these years I have been listenng to people who got cured of several deseases due to regular practice of yoga..I might be wrong,just provide a source mate that says that Indian doctors do not believe in yoga and its results....I can definitely give you linkis to sources that pove Indian doctors recommend Yoga.
Thanks in advance.

few of the links you can go through -
Doctor Says Yoga May Be Prescription For Better Health

Indian doctor promotes health, happiness with laughter yoga (Feature) - Monsters and Critics

 

[Luftwaffe]

mjnaushad...best answer to mr. sirius

ok sirius here is something interesting read it feel free to disagree.

Prayers, apart from nourishing your soul, are also good for health!

A Malaysian study suggests that prostration in praying is benefic for one’s health.

Salah (the Islamic prayer), is an exercise which is good for hearth and spine. It also enhances memory and concentration abilities.

The Islamic prayer consists of the following steps:

1. standing with hands on top of each other at chest level
2. bowing down with hands resting on knees
3. standing up from bowing with hands by the side
4. going in prostration (sajjda) once
5. lifting face up from prostration but sitting on the ground
6. doing a second prostration (Sajjda) and then getting up

These psysical movements that a Muslim does during prayer strenghten the joints and muscles and stimulate blood circulation. Consequently, they also prevent the stagnation of bloog in the veins of the legs (which may lead to coagulation and other problems).

Sajdah is a unique position or stance in the regular prayers, which a Muslim is supposed to offer at least five times a day.

Although the basic purpose of obligatory prayers isn’t to provide an exercise for people, it is being increasingly recognized that it has plenty of medical advantages.

Sajdah is a unique position as this is the only position in which brain (or head) becomes lower than the heart and hence for the first time the blood gushes towards the brain with full force whereas in all other positions (even when lying) brain is above the heart when it has to work against gravity to send blood to the brain.

In the position of Sajdah due to the increased blood supply the brain receive more nourishment and it has good effect upon memory, vision, hearing, concentration, psyche and all other cognitive abilities. People who offer their prayers regularly have more will power and can cope with the difficulties of life in a much better manner. They have fewer incidences of headaches, psychological problems and other defects of cognitive function.

Prostration in prayer

Not only the Muslim prayers have such benefic prayer movements. References to kneeling and prostration to express one’s humbleness before the Almighty abound in the Bible and are practiced by such notables as Abraham, Moses and Aaron, Joshua, Elijah, Solomon and Jesus.

Prostration in prayer is still practiced by some members of the Russian Orthodox Church and some Catholics still maintain kneeling in prayer. In contrast, Baptists and other Christian denominations have abandoned kneeling, and the Jewish liturgy has eliminated it altogether. The only exception perhaps is the Samaritan Jew, whose prayer is similar to the Muslim’s prayer, but for the language.

While getting up from Sajdah the perennial muscles are one of those muscles which have to pull the trunk back to sitting position and they contract actively.

Similarly while standing up from Sajdah the perennial muscles are again actively mobilized and this gives much strength to the muscles important for manpower.

The unique position of Sajdah also has positive effects upon the back muscles as while going into Sajdah and getting up from it the back muscle contract actively and they become stronger. Probably it is because of this reason that a person who is regular in prayers will uncommonly get backache.

Although prayer in religion is not meant to be an exercise, there are lots of medical advantages associated with it. Still, the best thing a prayer can offer is peace of mind.

 

[Imran Khan]

I do not practice yoga,neither I follow Ramdev..but your claim here really makes me confused cause al these years I have been listenng to people who got cured of several deseases due to regular practice of yoga..I might be wrong,just provide a source mate that says that Indian doctors do not believe in yoga and its results....I can definitely give you linkis to sources that pove Indian doctors recommend Yoga.
Thanks in advance.

few of the links you can go through -
Doctor Says Yoga May Be Prescription For Better Health

Indian doctor promotes health, happiness with laughter yoga (Feature) - Monsters and Critics

sorry bhai jee i have no link i watch it on tv show were ram dev and indian doctors was face to face doctors admit take breath from single side of nose or both do whatever sit sleep or whatever but its no benifit if you have any health problim .like suger hapatitas b or c or tb.