Ram Nath Kovind takes oath as India's new president amidst slogans of Jai Shri Ram in parliament

[punit]

Sorry I thanked your post instead of pressing reply. I will try to keep it simple.

When you stumph your wife in bedroom its fine. When you stumph her in front of your parents or children its not. If you were so inclined, and stumph your wife or others amongst consenting adults, a its a bit icky at best.

Same act different ethical results.

When Abdul Kalam was inaugurated as our President on the floor of our Apex institution and were the Muslim legislators to shout Allah-U-Akbar, you would be frothing at the mouth and having a apoplectic fit.

I would be incandescent and furious.

Wearing orange robes, lotuses, turbans, skull caps, beards, burkha's, saris, a kara, a kanga in parliament or at parties within the grounds of the Parliament is fine.

Hindus have ruled India for the last 70 years. Were not Lal Bahadur Shastri, Sarverpalli Radhakrisnan, Indira Gandhi ,Atal Bihai Vajpayee and many others not Hindus in your eyes ?

You have some deep seated emotional and psychological issues which you need to work through, but you have poured all that hurt into some fantastic world of perceived, special deliberate organised Hindu persecution.

We have a imperfect society where many are persecuted, and abused for religion, caste, social status, race, wealth or the lack of it, and gender but we are also a nation a laws, made in that Parliament for which you have such disdain. That Parliament is chosen by the people of India to put right some of what ails us. On that floor shouting banal religious slogans diminishes us.

@padamchen

Freudian slip ! Any way seems u decided to bypass the issues raised in my post and decided to go for preaching spree i have nothing more to say.

 

[Turingsage]

Freudian slip ! Any way seems u decided to bypass the issues raised in my post and decided to go for preaching spree i have nothing more to say.

Its called allegorical. Read the Mahabharata. Terms used to illustrate to a literal mind need to be stark sometimes.

 

[saurav jha]

Sorry I thanked your post instead of pressing reply. I will try to keep it simple.

When you stumph your wife in bedroom its fine. When you stumph her in front of your parents or children its not. If you were so inclined, and stumph your wife or others amongst consenting adults, a its a bit icky at best.

Same act different ethical results.

When Abdul Kalam was inaugurated as our President on the floor of our Apex institution and were the Muslim legislators to shout Allah-U-Akbar, you would be frothing at the mouth and having a apoplectic fit.

I would be incandescent and furious.

Wearing orange robes, lotuses, turbans, skull caps, beards, burkha's, saris, a kara, a kanga in parliament or at parties within the grounds of the Parliament is fine.

Hindus have ruled India for the last 70 years. Were not Lal Bahadur Shastri, Sarverpalli Radhakrisnan, Indira Gandhi ,Atal Bihai Vajpayee and many others not Hindus in your eyes ?

You have some deep seated emotional and psychological issues which you need to work through, but you have poured all that hurt into some fantastic world of perceived, special deliberate organised Hindu persecution.

We have a imperfect society where many are persecuted, and abused for religion, caste, social status, race, wealth or the lack of it, and gender but we are also a nation a laws, made in that Parliament for which you have such disdain. That Parliament is chosen by the people of India to put right some of what ails us. On that floor shouting banal religious slogans diminishes us.

@padamchen

Try teaching this in muslim majority countries. You will get real bonking

 

[Turingsage]

Try teaching this in muslim majority countries. You will get real bonking

You are belabouring under some delusion that I care what you think. You have not read my posts on Muslim majority countries as they are regularly deleted by the mods and issued with periodic bans.

 

[saurav jha]

You are belabouring under some delusion that I care what you think. You have not read my posts on Muslim majority countries as they are regularly deleted by the mods and issued with periodic bans.

True I haven't read your other posts but I am replying to the one I read.What is wrong if we want our country hindu republic where rights of minorities are protected? Isn't this our democratic right?

 

[HariVamsha]

Now that we have a Dalit President elected by the BJP, its time to remember the attics of another "dalit" president elected by the CONgress party.

http://yedavalliravi.blogspot.in/2005/11/kocheril-raman-narayanan.html

K.R.Narayanan, former president of India was supposed to be a Man of letters personally, a great diplomat professionally and a secularist politically. However here is an incident that demonstrates his "secularism".

The first reference is to a clemency petition that was made by two Christian dalits who have been convicted and awarded capital punishment in a case famously known as "Chilakaluripet Bus burning case". The convicted indulged in a gruesome act of roasting 21 passengers alive who are aboard a bus that was on its way to Chilakaluripet, a small town in Guntur district of Andhra Pradesh.

The convicted stopped and boarded the bus (hardly couple of kilometres away from its destination ) in the wee hours and tried to rob the passengers and as a measure to threaten them sprayed petrol and lit the bus. 21 passengers were charred to death. After the henious act the culprits had no remorse, instead enjoyed movies, alcohol and wandered in agritcultural fields around the place of crime. When an award was initiated to capture the culprits, one of them appeared before the police on the pretext of supplying clues for capture of the criminals. The police doubted the man whose hands were burnt and arrested him and his accomplice only to find out that they were the perpetrators of the crime.

All courts from district level to the apex have awarded and confirmed capital punishment to the convicted and finally the clemency petition was made to the then president Shankar Dayal Sharma during the fag end of his tenure. The strong Christian lobby and its protagonist George Fernandes left no stone unturned in building support to the "great cause" of awarding clemency to the convicted. I have read news paper reports, that they even wanted to broach the topic with the then President of South Africa, Nelson Mandela who was visiting India, to have the approval of clemency petition recommended by him. Myself and my paternal uncle wrote a letter to the president Shankar Dayal Sharma asking him not to award clemency explaining the details of the case as to why they don't deserve it. We reminded him of "Nishkama Karma Yoga" as propounded in Bhagavatgeeta.

Alas! Before the file has come to the president's office, Shankar Dayal Sharma's term ended and K.R Narayanan assumed office and the first thing he did was to award clemency to these incorrigible culprits ignoring the plight and agony of the family members, relatives and friends of those 21 people who have been baked to death. A newspaper even quoted a family member saying that, if the mercy petition is approved, the common man will loose confidence in the legal system.

I was residing in Chilakaluripet when the henious incident occurred and happened to visit the place of crime. The sight of the burnt bus was disturbing. Dead bodies couldn't be identified because they got roasted and the kith and kin were given remains by literally scratching them from the body of the bus to perform the last rites. They didn't even know if the "remains" they got belonged to their family member or not.

Did the convicts deserve clemency? Why was the president so merciful towards the convicted when they weren't towards the passengers?

The second reference is to the riots in Gujarat. In the wake of Godhra incident where in 56 Hindus who were traveling in Sabarmati express were burnt alive by Muslim fundamentalists, riots have started in Gujarat. K.R.Narayanan didn't talk, condemn the incident of Godhra, nor did he mourn for the lives of those 56 Hindus, but was quick enough in condemning the riots and quicker in painting Narendra Modi black. He has even written a "strong" letter to the then Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee about the riots.

K.R.Narayanan had been selective in using his words as "man of letters" for certain sections of the society, has used all his skills as"diplomat" when atrocities have been committed by them and yet remained "secular".

None of the words in English language trouble me more than the word "secular". The reason being the meaning of this word changes with situations, community of people involved in the situation and the context. All my efforts all through my life to understand the true meaning of this word have failed. I sometimes wonder if there would be any other country in this world other than India, where the interest of the majority community is not taken into consideration for making policy decisions. Being a Hindu sometimes gives me identity crisis.

 

[Tshering22]

Now that we have a Dalit President elected by the BJP, its time to remember the attics of another "dalit" president elected by the CONgress party.

http://yedavalliravi.blogspot.in/2005/11/kocheril-raman-narayanan.html

K.R.Narayanan, former president of India was supposed to be a Man of letters personally, a great diplomat professionally and a secularist politically. However here is an incident that demonstrates his "secularism".

The first reference is to a clemency petition that was made by two Christian dalits who have been convicted and awarded capital punishment in a case famously known as "Chilakaluripet Bus burning case". The convicted indulged in a gruesome act of roasting 21 passengers alive who are aboard a bus that was on its way to Chilakaluripet, a small town in Guntur district of Andhra Pradesh.

The convicted stopped and boarded the bus (hardly couple of kilometres away from its destination ) in the wee hours and tried to rob the passengers and as a measure to threaten them sprayed petrol and lit the bus. 21 passengers were charred to death. After the henious act the culprits had no remorse, instead enjoyed movies, alcohol and wandered in agritcultural fields around the place of crime. When an award was initiated to capture the culprits, one of them appeared before the police on the pretext of supplying clues for capture of the criminals. The police doubted the man whose hands were burnt and arrested him and his accomplice only to find out that they were the perpetrators of the crime.

All courts from district level to the apex have awarded and confirmed capital punishment to the convicted and finally the clemency petition was made to the then president Shankar Dayal Sharma during the fag end of his tenure. The strong Christian lobby and its protagonist George Fernandes left no stone unturned in building support to the "great cause" of awarding clemency to the convicted. I have read news paper reports, that they even wanted to broach the topic with the then President of South Africa, Nelson Mandela who was visiting India, to have the approval of clemency petition recommended by him. Myself and my paternal uncle wrote a letter to the president Shankar Dayal Sharma asking him not to award clemency explaining the details of the case as to why they don't deserve it. We reminded him of "Nishkama Karma Yoga" as propounded in Bhagavatgeeta.

Alas! Before the file has come to the president's office, Shankar Dayal Sharma's term ended and K.R Narayanan assumed office and the first thing he did was to award clemency to these incorrigible culprits ignoring the plight and agony of the family members, relatives and friends of those 21 people who have been baked to death. A newspaper even quoted a family member saying that, if the mercy petition is approved, the common man will loose confidence in the legal system.

I was residing in Chilakaluripet when the henious incident occurred and happened to visit the place of crime. The sight of the burnt bus was disturbing. Dead bodies couldn't be identified because they got roasted and the kith and kin were given remains by literally scratching them from the body of the bus to perform the last rites. They didn't even know if the "remains" they got belonged to their family member or not.

Did the convicts deserve clemency? Why was the president so merciful towards the convicted when they weren't towards the passengers?

The second reference is to the riots in Gujarat. In the wake of Godhra incident where in 56 Hindus who were traveling in Sabarmati express were burnt alive by Muslim fundamentalists, riots have started in Gujarat. K.R.Narayanan didn't talk, condemn the incident of Godhra, nor did he mourn for the lives of those 56 Hindus, but was quick enough in condemning the riots and quicker in painting Narendra Modi black. He has even written a "strong" letter to the then Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee about the riots.

K.R.Narayanan had been selective in using his words as "man of letters" for certain sections of the society, has used all his skills as"diplomat" when atrocities have been committed by them and yet remained "secular".

None of the words in English language trouble me more than the word "secular". The reason being the meaning of this word changes with situations, community of people involved in the situation and the context. All my efforts all through my life to understand the true meaning of this word have failed. I sometimes wonder if there would be any other country in this world other than India, where the interest of the majority community is not taken into consideration for making policy decisions. Being a Hindu sometimes gives me identity crisis.

Secular word in a country of tolerance since times immemorial has no relevance. It was only introduced in 1976 under Indira Gandhi when she imposed it on the nation.

It has to be removed as it was put into the constitution through force.