Rajputs, Jats and Gujjars

[Nilgiri]

Two comments:

Nobody will engage with you if you post with some self-restraint. It has already been pointed out that your totally unfounded remarks about Indians started the intervention with @Tea addict making a harmless observation. Don't blame others for what you have brought on yourself.

There is a thread entirely by Pakistanis about Pakistanis and it will serve to remind you of several things that you seem to forget.

1. Restricting a thread to Pakistanis only is NOT a guarantee of quality. Reading that thread will make it clear that the opposite can be true. It degenerates quickly, very quickly, and that is not surprising in the abstract.
2. You will find Indian members entering a thread only when interested, or when provoked. It is up to you to observe decency and limits on what you post. You, @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan, have everything to do with the results of your badly-conceived post. Don't blame others.

On a personal note, I have never been part of a collusive effort.

On the contrary. I have had to face a great deal of hostility from Indian members for pointing out logical and rational aspects of an issue, aspects that did not support a jingoistic view among Indians on that issue.

You get what you deserve.



Nobody likes to be shown up as an idiot. That is human nature. For such anguished souls to make such a personal humiliation a national issue is also not unusual nor unexpected. And, of course, just to put the cap on things, being informed in exact and precise detail how he has strayed leads to a charge of verbosity.

Just found it funny is all....Joe the Troll....almost has a ring to it....and you of all people

In my list of trolls/trolling intensity/olympics, you are literally like dead last in the medals count (Esp factoring in post count and all that). Heck kind of parallels a bit with India in the summer olympics (post count = population)...did you have an earlier field hockey era trolling equivalent (medal wise) I wonder...

...at some point I will have to read this thread from the start...still have not done that...I just somewhat rudely read only the last bits (hence the straying well off topic when it was pointed out to me)....but the context+emotional undulation is so important to this forum (in judging the last sinews of it at the end) I have often found.

Imma tag some more ("austerlitz level"!) trolls like you and I now:

@VCheng @jbgt90 @Vibrio @scorpionx @M. Sarmad

 

[VCheng]

Just found it funny is all....Joe the Troll....almost has a ring to it....and you of all people

In my list of trolls/trolling intensity/olympics, you are literally like dead last in the medals count (Esp factoring in post count and all that). Heck kind of parallels a bit with India in the summer olympics (post count = population)...did you have an earlier field hockey era trolling equivalent (medal wise) I wonder...

...at some point I will have to read this thread from the start...still have not done that...I just somewhat rudely read only the last bits (hence the straying well off topic when it was pointed out to me)....but the context+emotional undulation is so important to this forum (in judging the last sinews of it at the end) I have often found.

Imma tag some more ("austerlitz level"!) trolls like you and I now:

@VCheng @jbgt90 @Vibrio @scorpionx @M. Sarmad

I generally try to stay away from such topics and threads, because they tend to bring out the worst tendencies in certain vulnerable people on PDF.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I generally try to stay away from such topics and threads, because they tend to bring out the worst tendencies in certain vulnerable people on PDF.

Indian trolls unite again. My point is made.

Him being called troll is but a given when the person involved on the other side has the IQ which competes to reach the Mariana Trench. Have engaged with the member earlier. Waste of time, effort and bandwidth.

The thread was a joke from the start. To break away from 'Indian' links, they need to systematically break away from their history - starting with leveling of all of their Idols and Symbols, be it in the flag or in the 'culture' they are trying to appropriate - that of the original Indus Valley Civilization in form of the excavations at Mohenjo Daro!

Personal attacks. A great way to prove your point. Case and point.

I am here to discuss Pakistani history and politics, so you trolls can personally attack me as much as you like.

I won’t get suckered into it.

Mods, notice the personal attacks and please keep an eye on these Indian gangs.

They are attacking Pakistani and Pro-Pakistani posters in every thread in gangs.

@waz @Dubious @WebMaster @Horus

 

[VCheng]

The thread was a joke from the start. To break away from 'Indian' links, they need to systematically break away from their history - starting with leveling of all of their Idols and Symbols, be it in the flag or in the 'culture' they are trying to appropriate - that of the original Indus Valley Civilization in form of the excavations at Mohenjo Daro!

You are correct in that Pakistan is still struggling to create a viable national narrative, a task made infinitely more difficult by the conscious choices made in its history.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You are correct in that Pakistan is still struggling to create a viable national narrative, a task made infinitely more difficult by the conscious choices made in its history.

Of course Indians, who have been trying to undo Pakistan for 71 years, will agree on that.

There is a reason India invaded Pakistan three times, holds Kashmir hostage, created bad blood between us and Bangladeshis in 1971, and tried to turn Afghanistan against us.

 

[VCheng]

Of course Indians, who have been trying to undo Pakistan for 71 years, will agree on that.

There is a reason India invaded Pakistan three times, holds Kashmir hostage, created bad blood between us and Bangladeshis in 1971, and tried to turn Afghanistan against us.

Whatever the reasons, the fact remains that Pakistan still struggles to create a viable national narrative.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Whatever the reasons, the fact remains that Pakistan still struggles to create a viable national narrative.

I agree. It is because of the ineptitude of our previous governments, which were only there to line their pockets.

The other issue was British rule which de-Persianized our identity. All our Western neighbors are thoroughly Persian speakers, as were most Pakistanis pre-1900s.

It the election of nationalist PTI and the resurgence of Persian (and Turkish,) Pakistan is going to recover its lost Persian/Turkish heritage.

 

[VCheng]

I agree. It is because of the ineptitude of our previous governments, which were only there to line their pockets.

The other issue was British rule which de-Persianized our identity. All our Western neighbors are thoroughly Persian speakers, as were most Pakistanis pre-1900s.

It the election of nationalist PTI and the resurgence of Persian (and Turkish,) Pakistan is going to recover its lost Persian/Turkish heritage.

Do you think Pakistan will be able to create one by its centennial celebrations?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Do you think Pakistan will be able to create one by its centennial celebrations?

We have an identity already which is our Islamic one.

“Pakistan ka matlab kya? La ilaha ila Allah”

What people are confused about is whether we have more commonality with Indian Muslims/Bangladeshis or Persians/Turks/Afghans.

We have been shifting towards the latter for most of our history and finally reached a point where we can comfortably ditch the British Indian identity for IVC and our Islamic one.

Both Allama Iqbal and Choudry Rahmat Ali advocated Pakistan to look toward and eventually unite with Afghanistan (Pukhto/Persian) and Central Asia (Turks.)

The seeds were planted from the beginning.

 

[VCheng]

We have an identity already which is our Islamic one.

“Pakistan ka matlab kya? La ilaha ila Allah”

What people are confused about is whether we have more commonality with Indian Muslims/Bangladeshis or Persians/Turks/Afghans.

We have been shifting towards the latter for most of our history and finally reached a point where we can comfortably ditch the British Indian identity for IVC and our Islamic one.

Both Allama Iqbal and Choudry Rahmat Ali advocated Pakistan to look toward and eventually unite with Afghanistan (Pukhto/Persian) and Central Asia (Turks.)

The seeds were planted from the beginning.

That identity is meaningless and just a slogan until and unless sharia is enforced as the law of the land.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

That identity is meaningless and just a slogan until and unless sharia is enforced as the law of the land.

That’s your opinion. You are entitled to it.

For us Pakistanis, it is our day to day life.

The air we breathe, the soil we walk on, the water we drink, all is blessing from God and a reminder of our ancestors.

This is a holy land, called by us as Arz e Pak even before the word Pakistan existed.

There is no place in the whole world as beautiful and lovely as our land.

No placed filled with the same Barakat (blessings) which God bestowed on our ancestors who were great warriors, statesmen, scholars, mystics, and noblemen of this land.

“Where Meer e Hijaz (Muhammad saws) felt the cool breeze,
This country is mine, this country is mine.” -Allama Iqbal commenting on the hadith

 

[M. Sarmad]

We have an identity already which is our Islamic one.

“Pakistan ka matlab kya? La ilaha ila Allah”

Well, that was just an unofficial election campaign slogan in 1945-46 General Elections ..

 

[VCheng]

That’s your opinion. You are entitled to it.

For us Pakistanis, it is our day to day life.

The air we breathe, the soil we walk on, the water we drink, all is blessing from God and a reminder of our ancestors.

This is a holy land, called by us as Arz e Pak even before the word Pakistan existed.

There is no place in the whole world as beautiful and lovely as our land.

No placed filled with the same Barakat (blessings) which God bestowed on our ancestors who were great warriors, statesmen, scholars, mystics, and noblemen of this land.

“Where Meer e Hijaz (Muhammad saws) felt the cool breeze,
This country is mine, this country is mine.” -Allama Iqbal commenting on the hadith

Nice flag waving buddy, but quite meaningless claims unless backed by actions and results. A holy land without any holy law in force? Not very holy.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Well, that was just an unofficial election campaign slogan in 1945-46 General Elections ..

Yes brother, but it went viral. All of our bozorg from East Punjab speak of it.

It is the only thing which kept them going while they trudged barefoot on the dangerous roads leading to Pakistan, littered with dead bodies on both sides of the road.

Nice flag waving buddy, but quite meaningless claims unless backed by actions and results. A holy land without any holy law in force? Not very holy.

It’s a work in process, but aren’t all nations?

We have high aspirations and we will meet them, in sha Allah.

“The destiny of the Muslim is beyond the blue sky,
The road which stars follow as dust, you are that caravan ” -Allama Iqbal

 

[VCheng]

It’s a work in process, but aren’t all nations?

We have high aspirations and we will meet them, in sha Allah.

“The destiny of the Muslim is beyond the blue sky,
The road which stars follow as dust, you are that caravan ” -Allama Iqbal

MashaAllah. InshaAllah in another 70 years, may be? One lives in hope, after all.