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That puts an end to the ridiculous claims that the remnants of the Indus Valley Civilisation are heirlooms of Pakistan

No it doesn't, because the civilisation started in and revolved around the Indus Valley. And it just so happens that the Muslim nation carved out of British India also contains most of the Indus region.
 
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No it doesn't, because the civilisation started in and revolved around the Indus Valley. And it just so happens that the Muslim nation carved out of British India also contains most of the Indus region.

Either this statement or your earlier statement is incorrect. You decide. :pop:
 
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Either this statement or your earlier statement is incorrect. You decide. :pop:

Not at all. They both work. Pakistan itself owes it's existence to Islam, but that doesn't mean all pre-Islamic history here belongs to India any more the Arabia's pre-Islamic history does. India being Pagan doesn't give it free reign to claim all Pagan history across the region.
 
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Where I said they followed Hinduism but I am sure in one thing they were not following Islam either ...

@Indus Pakistan see Pashupati seal from Mohenjodaro performing Namaz ....... ;) ... Indians still use this word Pashupati

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They do. Just that the they don't fall for your ridicalous claim that they were Hindu's. A term only coined few centuries ago and even then to a concept so vague that it can be applied to anything.

Can never be restricted within 'patch of dirt' as @Taimur Khurram would say. As a identity or concept 'Muslim' will never be restricted to a geography. It goes against the very notion of Islam that is universal.

And the very heart of the Pakistani crisis of identity is trying to brand a religion - Islam that is global and universal. This will never work. How the hell can people even think they can tie down a uinversal faith that has global presence and majority religion in nearly 40 countries be branded into one geography on the Indus Valley?

Ridicalous ....

Ps. I looked into this in another thread. The contradiction is laid bare in the map below.


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Be delighted to help. I mentioned the Comprehensive History of India and the Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan series, but any further recommendations are dependent on the extent and objective of your historical interest. Are you planning to read, or planning to write?

Sorry for the interruption but if you mention any reading material related to history then plz make sure to mention it here so that all of us know which reading material to consult on the matter.
 
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Sorry for the interruption but if you mention any reading material related to history then plz make sure to mention it here so that all of us know which reading material to consult on the matter.

Sure.

I will make it a point to mention it where those interested can see it. As of now, I am counting @MUSTAKSHAF, @M. Sarmad and you (@saiyan0321), along with @Sam. as the interested people.
 
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We can be have respect for both Muhammad Bin Qasim and also IVC/Taxila/Mohenjodaro, similar to how Egyptian Muslims pride themselves on the Islamic conquest but still maintain respect and pride for Pharoanic Egypt.

Pakistan is primarily a religious state (Islamic) but we also take pride in our blood heritage. This is why the focus on pagan Kalash, our folktales, and ancient sites.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Pakistani identity is vibrant and dynamic.
See, if more people would provide better context and qualify their responses about 'pride in their Islamic roots' like you did above, it would help discussions from getting hijacked.
 
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See, if more people would provide better context and qualify their responses about 'pride in their Islamic roots' like you did above, it would help discussions from getting hijacked.

With due respect, this (#158) should have been one of the first posts, not one of the last.

Second, it invites the right to reply - in robust and uncompromising fashion - if there is a denigration of others' heritage and antecedents in an attempt to defend one's own.
 
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With due respect, this (#158) should have been one of the first posts, not one of the last.

Second, it invites the right to reply - in robust and uncompromising fashion - if there is a denigration of others' heritage and antecedents in an attempt to defend one's own.
I agree. There were a few previous posts that perhaps misunderstood the nature of the discussion on this thread and, to me at least, it appeared that people had taken umbrage over the fact that such a discussion was even being held and that it meant some kind of 'marginalization of the Islamic aspect of Pakistan's identity'.
 
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see Pashupati seal from Mohenjodaro performing Namaz ....... ;) ... Indians still use this word Pashupati
Okay Einstien, cite proof that Ancient Sindhi's called that or any other seal "Pashupati"?

Pashupati seal from Mohenjodaro performing Namaz
And many niggas from Black Africa were pagan worshipers and modern Eygptians are Muslim. Does that give those Black African pagans rights to Ancient Egypt that supercedes modern Egyptians because they have 'namaz'?

Hey, did you know the Germans used the swastika. Look at this German fighter. Guess they must be linked to IVC as well.

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let me give you one example whole Pakistan feels proud in Harappa and Mohanzodaro but no one even acknowledges what religion they used to follow ....
They never followed Hinduism if that's what you're trying to hint at, the current religion that they would've been the most closest to would be Punjabi Folk Religion which is practiced in Pakistan in synchronism with Islam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_folk_religion
 
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Where did I said they the people of IVC were Hindus .... see my response to @Indus Pakistan , I said they were followers of Islam
They never followed Hinduism if that's what you're trying to hint at, the current religion that they would've been the most closest to would be Punjabi Folk Religion which is practiced in Pakistan in synchronism with Islam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_folk_religion

Don't worry I understand certain facts are difficult to digest , but the best this thread describes is the identity crisis .....
Okay Einstien, cite proof that Ancient Sindhi's called that or any other seal "Pashupati"?

And many niggas from Black Africa were pagan worshipers and modern Eygptians are Muslim. Does that give those Black African pagans rights to Ancient Egypt that supercedes modern Egyptians because they have 'namaz'?

Hey, did you know the Germans used the swastika. Look at this German fighter. Guess they must be linked to IVC as well.

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Don't worry I understand
Well, what I understand is I rasied three clear points for you. Non of them were taken up by you. Instead you chose to shove your head up your backside. That tells me you have no replies to give to points I raised.

That we in Pakistan have a indentity crisis is fact but non of that has any bearing on you guys .... in time it will be resolved. But the reality that Pakistan is the 'crucible' of civilization in South Asia will never change. You on the Ganga will always remain in the dark ...
 
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