Rafale vs. F-16 ۔ The real comparison is between the capabilities of the Pakistan air force and Indian air force

[BON PLAN]

Kindly tell them Rafle never took part in air to air dogfight, it was use for ground attack in Libya and Afghanistan. Our Kurakarum jet and Supper Mashak can drop boombs on ground as well.
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They can use Google to search air combat history of rafale aircraft.

There were so few dogfights these last 20 years.... Not a single F22, or Su35, or EF2000 did it.

France's scientific research capabilities than the United States is far worse, France's stealth fighter is still only the state of the drawings. Do not compare the French fighter with the U.S. fighter. Not in a class, the European engine compared to the U.S. engine is garbage.

US troll you are.

 

[Foinikas]

France's scientific research capabilities than the United States is far worse, France's stealth fighter is still only the state of the drawings. Do not compare the French fighter with the U.S. fighter. Not in a class, the European engine compared to the U.S. engine is garbage.

I don't know if you're really Chinese or American,but France makes pretty darn good fighter jets. They may not have a stealth fighter,but the Rafale is top class. You should be talking about how the J-20 is inferior to the F-22 and F-35.

 

[DJ_Viper]

The empty Rafale weighs 10 tons while the F-16 weighs 9.2 tons. Raphael can carry 24.5 tons of weapons. The F-16 has a payload capacity of 21.7 tons.

The Rafale is equipped with Mica air-to-air missiles, SCALP long-range missiles, laser-guided bombs, AM39 anti-ship missiles, GIAT-30 guns, meteor long-range air-to-air missiles and air-to-surface weapons. F-16 can hit 20 targets identified in 84 km radius and Rafale can hit 40 targets identified in 100 km radius

On the other hand, F-16 has Penguin anti-ship missiles, cluster bombs, runway destroyers, AIM 9 sidewinder short-range air missiles, AIM-120 mid-range air missiles, GPS-guided bombs and other deadly Arms. The F-16 can also has nuclear weapons, conventional drop-bomb capabilities and a 20mm Vulcan gun.

There are some serious misquotations and misrepresentation of facts in this article. Please see the bold part and help us understand:
1) Where did you read, or understood from that the -16 can carry 21.7 TONS of weapons? and similarly, Rafale carrying 24.5 TONS??
2) Where does the -16 hitting 20 targets in 84 KM's come from and Rafale hitting 40 targets in 100KM?? You clearly don't understand either -16 or Rafale's weapons and radars it seems.
3) The last paragraph about what -16 can carry, how is it superior to the Rafale?

Please research thoroughly before writing or posting articles that have delusional factual details that mislead everyone reading. Thx

 

[Khaqan Humayun]

There were so few dogfights these last 20 years.... Not a single F22, or Su35, or EF2000 did it.


US troll you are.

France jet are good PAF is still using Merag iii & v,we had good relations with France and still we think if France reconsider their policy which is against Muslims we will have no objection on French products.

France Could Build Merge Blocks like (F-16 block A B 52 & block 70).
Single engine jets of France will take place in Market.

I was just talking about dogfights, Rafale was use in Libya Iraq and Afghanistan not against airforce but just for ground attack.
We can see it capabality if it is use against Air force which has Air Defence system, and if in this condation Rafale win so we can say it is good Aircraft.

Boombing over Libya Iraq Afghanistan and over some poor African countries will not prove its capabalities.

 

[Foinikas]

if France reconsider their policy which is against Muslims we will have no objection on French products.

Their policy is not against muslims any more than the British,American,German and other western foreign policy.They have good relationsh with many muslim countries and sell weapons to them. I don't understand why they keep having such good relations with India,apart from the money,when they could have been selling weapons to Pakistan too.

By the way,it's Mirage,not Merge Just saying.

I was just talking about dogfights, Rafale was use in Libya Iraq and Afghanistan not against airforce but just for ground attack.
We can see it capabality if it is use against Air force which has Air Defence system, and if in this condation Rafale win so we can say it is good Aircraft.

A lot of modern jets that have a reputation as being some of the best in the world,have had no real enemies,but only bombed and escorted other aircraft. Just like @BON PLAN said earlier,there haven't been a lot of dogfights the last 20 years between modern nations and big powers.

 

[BON PLAN]

if France reconsider their policy which is against Muslims we will have no objection on French products.

We have nothing against muslim people. We just want them to respect the french rules. It's as simple as that.
If someone don't agree with our traditions and laic rules he is free to leave (but they stay....).

 

[Khaqan Humayun]

We have nothing against muslim people. We just want them to respect the french rules. It's as simple as that.
If someone don't agree with our traditions and laic rules he is free to leave (but they stay....).

Dear We have long Historical relation with France, Below are some example. France was the First Non Muslim country that recognize Pakistan.

Tipu Sultan
Muslim King Tipu Sultan sought an alliance with the French 1782, the only European power still strong enough to challenge the British East India Company in the subcontinent.

Franco-Ottoman alliance
The Franco-Ottoman alliance was established in 1536 between the King of France Francis I and the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire Suleiman I.
Napoleon I still claimed great respect for Islam, and appealed to the long history of friendly relations between the Ottoman Empire and France.


"Peoples of Egypt, you will be told that I have come to destroy your religion: do not believe it! Answer that I have come to restore your rights and punish the usurpers, and that, more than the Mamluks, I respect God, his Prophet and the Quran... Is it not we who have been through the centuries the friends of the Sultan?"

— Napoleon to the Egyptians.


France–Pakistan relations
France was one of the first non-Muslim states to recognize Pakistan, During the Cold war, France considered Pakistan as "state deserving attention", and had been a major foreign supplier of Pakistan Armed Forces.

In May 2011, France stopped selling heavy military equipment to Pakistan in order to ease India.

In 2020, thousands of protesters opposing France's protection of "freedom of speech" held rallies in cities across Pakistan, against the re-publishing of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons of Prophet Muhammed, including publishing controversial images. They called on the Pakistani government to cut diplomatic and trade ties with France

 

[Khaqan Humayun]

Dear We have long Historical relation with France, Below are some example. France was the First Non Muslim country that recognize Pakistan.

Tipu Sultan
Muslim King Tipu Sultan sought an alliance with the French 1782, the only European power still strong enough to challenge the British East India Company in the subcontinent.

Franco-Ottoman alliance
The Franco-Ottoman alliance was established in 1536 between the King of France Francis I and the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire Suleiman I.
Napoleon I still claimed great respect for Islam, and appealed to the long history of friendly relations between the Ottoman Empire and France.


"Peoples of Egypt, you will be told that I have come to destroy your religion: do not believe it! Answer that I have come to restore your rights and punish the usurpers, and that, more than the Mamluks, I respect God, his Prophet and the Quran... Is it not we who have been through the centuries the friends of the Sultan?"

— Napoleon to the Egyptians.


France–Pakistan relations
France was one of the first non-Muslim states to recognize Pakistan, During the Cold war, France considered Pakistan as "state deserving attention", and had been a major foreign supplier of Pakistan Armed Forces.

In May 2011, France stopped selling heavy military equipment to Pakistan in order to ease India.

In 2020, thousands of protesters opposing France's protection of "freedom of speech" held rallies in cities across Pakistan, against the re-publishing of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons of Prophet Muhammed, including publishing controversial images. They called on the Pakistani government to cut diplomatic and trade ties with France

We Still hope We will have good relation in Future, and will be great partner as in past.
Below mention are example of our Good relations.
Agosta-class submarine
Dassault Mirage
RASIT is a ground-surveillance.
Eurocopter AS550 Fennec
Aérospatiale SA 330 Puma
Aérospatiale Alouette III

 

[Abid123]

The F-16 is battle proven the Rafale is not.

 

[SaadH]

We decided to stop selling weapons to Pakistan not to ease India, but because of the Karachi attack, and because every weapon selled to Pak is in the chinese hands the same day.

Good relations is hoped, but forget weapons trade for the reason explained below (reverse enginering by chinese experts)

Oh is that also the reason why you never stopped selling to Israelis...

 

[Abid123]

We decided to stop selling weapons to Pakistan not to ease India, but because of the Karachi attack, and because every weapon selled to Pak is in the chinese hands the same day.

Good relations is hoped, but forget weapons trade for the reason explained below (reverse enginering by chinese experts)

When are you going to retire Rafale from service?

 

[Khaqan Humayun]

We decided to stop selling weapons to Pakistan not to ease India, but because of the Karachi attack, and because every weapon selled to Pak is in the chinese hands the same day.

Good relations is hoped, but forget weapons trade for the reason explained below (reverse enginering by chinese experts)

Karachi Attack was a terrorist attack May be RAW was involved in that Attack.
Kulbhushan Jadhav has admitted that he was involved in many Blast in Pakistan.


Israel is also making copy of Franch weapons.

Eurocopter Tiger
A joint venture of French and German could be inducted in Pak Army Aviation.

 

[BON PLAN]

The F-16 is battle proven the Rafale is not.

in air to air you are right.
So is the case of all the chinese birds, of the JF17, EF2000, Ching Kuo, japan F2, Gripen, F22, F35, Su30, Su35...

Oh is that also the reason why you never stopped selling to Israelis...

What are the latest french weapons selled to Israel ? you will have your answer.

Eurocopter Tiger
A joint venture of French and German could be inducted in Pak Army Aviation.

sure not.

 

[Foinikas]

So is the case of all the chinese birds, of the JF17, EF2000, Ching Kuo, japan F2, Gripen, F22, F35, Su30, Su35...

Exactly

 

[The Eagle]

JF17

Not a Chinese Fighter but Joint Fighter (as the name says) which is a no brainer. Secondly, for Thunder to be battle tested, read 27th February, 2019 Operation Swift Retort carefully. Next time, be careful with the words you choose.