RAFALE VS F-16 BLOCK52+

[Manticore]

hahahahaha my thread lives again!--- it should be noted that ive posted exercise results of an older rafale and blk52s -- i havent 'dumped' any fighter and i would not allow offtopic / oneliners from teenagers on this thread

 

[The enlightened]

hahahahaha my thread lives again!--- it should be noted that ive posted exercise results of an older rafale and blk52s -- i havent 'dumped' any fighter and i would not allow offtopic / oneliners from teenagers on this thread

Well, as long as you can get the nationalistic feelings among the viewers here to surge, any thread will survive.

 

[DARKY]

Lets leave that for some other day...........otherwise it would further derail the thread............shall we.

right standing up like a billboard would reflect more or less just straight plus cobra maneuver is usefull in dog fight bro not in bvr[/QUOTE]

Sudden Cobra=sudden loss in speed... which makes the target blink off the radar screen for some time... and the lock is broken... BVR fails.

Although I agree that getting invisible wouldn't be the right word since the radar know where to look next.

 

[The enlightened]

Ever heard of the F-16V? Besides, it'll take more than a 'couple of years' to replace majority of their fleets with F-35s. Thanks to the delays.

The F-16 is more or less a capable plane depending on the block and features.

What is F16V???
Anywho,

it'll take more than a 'couple of years' to replace majority of their fleets with F-35s

Not by choice.
If they could replace their vipers, they would have, or atleast would be in the process of doing it.
F-16 is a capable jet, no doubt. But against a jet as advanced as Rafale, it's more like shooting practice.

 

[illusion8]

What is F16V???
Anywho,

Not by choice.
If they could replace their vipers, they would have, or atleast would be in the process of doing it.
F-16 is a capable jet, no doubt. But against a jet as advanced as Rafale, it's more like shooting practice.

F16V is F16 with AESA radar customised and offered to the Singapore AF, somewhat similar to F16IN offered for MMRCA.

 

[The enlightened]

right standing up like a billboard would reflect more or less just straight plus cobra maneuver is usefull in dog fight bro not in bvr

Doing a cobra would help the Flanker get into the clutter notch of a doppler radar, thereby breaking the lock and becoming invisible to the enemy.

 

[Zabaniyah]

F16V is F16 with AESA radar customised and offered to the Singapore AF, somewhat similar to F16IN offered for MMRCA.

That, and can fully establish data links with 5th generation planes like the F-35 and F-22.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Not by choice.

It's not a choice. It's is just that the JSF program is not on time completion.

It'll replace fighters like F-16, F-18 Hornet (not Super Hornet), A-10, F-15, and Harrier.

Considering the sheer size of the USAF, USMC and USN (the primary user), along with export orders from the participants, it'll take some time. And money.

If they could replace their vipers, they would have, or atleast would be in the process of doing it.
F-16 is a capable jet, no doubt. But against a jet as advanced as Rafale, it's more like shooting practice.

Err...

 

[White Lightning]

Rafale Price Undercuts Eurofighter by 25 Percent: Report



India’s selection of Dassault Aviation as the preferred bidder for a 126-fighter jet deal was largely based on a price tag 25 percent cheaper than the French firm’s Eurofighter rival, a report said Feb. 10.
The Times of India quoted a defense ministry source as saying the Eurofighter consortium bid with its Typhoon jet would have cost $5 billion more than Dassault’s Rafale fighter.

“The French Rafale jet ... beat the Typhoon hollow both in terms of lifecycle costs and direct acquisition costs,” the source said, adding that the ministry of defense had consequently ruled out “any comeback” for the Typhoon bid.

The Eurofighter consortium groups Britain’s BAE Systems, Italy’s Finmeccanica and the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company.

British Prime Minister David Cameron said last week that he would urge India to reconsider its decision to opt for the Rafale over the British-backed Eurofighter plane.

Dassault will enter exclusive negotiations with India next week to try and reach agreement on a final contract for the sale of the 126 multi-combat fighters.

The total cost of the deal has been estimated at between $12 billion and $20 billion.

The huge contract to supply war planes to fast-developing India had been fiercely fought over for four years.

In April last year, India pulled a surprise by cutting out U.S. bidders Boeing and Lockheed Martin — much to Washington’s disappointment — as well as dropping Sweden’s Saab AB and the Russian makers of the MiG-35 from the race.

Source: By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE, NEW DELHI, 10 February 2012 - Gannett Government Media / DefenceNews (Defense News | Breaking International Defense News | defensenews.com)

Photo: The French Air Force Dassault Mirage 2000 with Rafale Fighter Aicraft (Photo by img14.imageshack.us)

 

[ziaulislam]

What is F16V???

F-16 is a capable jet, no doubt. But against a jet as advanced as Rafale, it's more like shooting practice.

which version of f-16 you are referring too.
even the f-16 block 60 with AESA radar and most advance us avionics will be a practice shoot..
i think the comment itself is very dumb.most experts put the block52 in same league, infact even your defense analyst put it in the same league.

 

[blain2]

F-16 blk-52 vs Rafale is truly a case of which pilot exploits his aircraft better. Rafale is definitely a very good platform and any Air Force flying it would find it to be very good, but so is the case with the F-16. In almost every Air force where the F-16 has been inducted, it has been found to be a better all rounder than most other dedicated platforms. There is no significant "generational" gap here to be talked about between these two platforms contrary to what some post here. Obviously in the Pakistan-India case, the quantity of the two platforms in use is a factor as well.

 

[Lankan Ranger]

First there is thread name – Su-30MKI VS F-16 Block 52

Then another thread name – Mig-29SMT VS F-16 Block 52

Now Rafale VS F-16 Block 52……..

F-16 Block 52 going to handle how many Indian jets?

 

[SQ8]

First there is thread name – Su-30MKI VS F-16 Block 52

Then another thread name – Mig-29SMT VS F-16 Block 52

Now Rafale VS F-16 Block 52……..

F-16 Block 52 going to handle how many Indian jets?

Considering there will be close to 80 aircraft with Block 52 standard avionics and weapons..
They will have their work cut out for them.

 

[Lankan Ranger]

Considering there will be close to 80 aircraft with Block 52 standard avionics and weapons..
They will have their work cut out for them.

Upgrade: 32 Falcon STAR kits for original Peace Gate I aircraft, 35 MLU kits ordered, with 11 more MLU kits optional. 4 F-16A/B being upgraded in the U.S., delivery expected December 2011, 2-3 F-16A/B being upgraded at Turkish Aerospace Industries from February 2011, remaining aircraft to be upgraded at PAC Kamra by TAI personnel. 10 more MLU kits ordered on 29 July 2011.

F-16C/D: Peace Drive I contract for 12 F-16C and 6 F-16D Block 52+ with F100-PW-229 engines, signed 30 September 2006. First batch (two F-16D, one F-16C) landed at PAF Base Shahbaz on 26 June 2010, 3 delivered in October, 6 in November and final batch of 6 aircraft delivered in December 2010. Agreement signed in March 2010 with United States for an additional 14 F-16s to be delivered by December 2012.

 

[Paan Singh]

india needs to master rafale then it will be of any use otherwise they could be sitting ducks.india have mastered the MKI's and will take 4-5 years to master rafale.This is + point for pakistanis and have already mastered f-16's.