Rafale Jet Deal with France Next on Modi Government's Radar

[JaiShriAllahNath]

The truth is the FGFA project is a necessity and all those writing it off based on media reports from paid/biased/ignorant media need to cool it.

FGFA is a huge blunder, in history of india(just like Brahmos). There is nothing to gain in it for India.

Make your own frame, then invite foreign partners to supply parts(engines, radars). That's the smart way. LCA was perfect model. LCA was 100% Indian frame(components don't matter, they come along later), but Congress killed it and didn't take it further with MCA(next step). They should have started heavier frame and pull in Sukhoi-30MKI license assembler's experience.

FGFA is Russian frame and india is funding it. It will make sense for smaller nations, who can't make their own frames. For india, its sheer foolishness to even think of it. Its all due to Gandhi dynasty, india got into it.

Golden rule - One who makes the frame(and control laws, flight software kernal) holds all the keys of what goes in, and is left out(THE ACCESS) of the frame. You follow this rule, you will maintain leverage across the R&D programmes.

The only foreign collaboration worth right now is - LRSAM where india is providing propulsion system and Israel the seeker. This a good model. Israel is far more flexible compared to Russia who refused to allow work-share of Brahmos's propulsion tobe passed to India. They kept all work(same happened with FGFA). India ended up just "paying money" like a fool for a Russian project. Same with FGFA - india ended up being an "observer" and sponsor, without any work-share.

Brahmos is a huge scam! (Ignore what APJ said, he is wrong many times) Its basically a Russian made missile and being license manufactured in India. In other words, its "imported". Calling it co-development is non-sense.

 

[SrNair]

Your brain works like Anglophiles. (lot of arrogance, but small brain size)

Soviet Union had huge, big weapons. What happened? Economy collapsed. Rafale is overcostly, overexpensive. India will die even before war starts. LCA is cheap. Mass produce it.

Wow then tell me how a single engine,limited range LCA can compete twine engine powerful Rafale?

 

[Shango]

FGFA is a huge blunder, in history of india(just like Brahmos). There is nothing to gain in it for India.

Make your own frame, then invite foreign partners to supply parts(engines, radars). That's the smart way. LCA was perfect model. LCA was 100% Indian frame(components don't matter, they come along later), but Congress killed it and didn't take it further with MCA(next step). They should have started heavier frame and pull in Sukhoi-30MKI license assembler's experience.

FGFA is Russian frame and india is funding it. It will make sense for smaller nations, who can't make their own frames. For india, its sheer foolishness to even think of it. Its all due to Gandhi dynasty, india got into it.

Golden rule - One who makes the frame(and control laws, flight software kernal) holds all the keys of what goes in, and is left out(THE ACCESS) of the frame. You follow this rule, you will maintain leverage across the R&D programmes.

The only foreign collaboration worth right now is - LRSAM where india is providing propulsion system and Israel the seeker. This a good model. Israel is far more flexible compared to Russia who refused to allow work-share of Brahmos's propulsion tobe passed to India. They kept all work(same happened with FGFA). India ended up just "paying money" like a fool for a Russian project. Same with FGFA - india ended up being an "observer" and sponsor, without any work-share.

Brahmos is a huge scam! (Ignore what APJ said, he is wrong many times) Its basically a Russian made missile and being license manufactured in India. In other words, its "imported". Calling it co-development is non-sense.

Brahmos is an Indian made frame and control system run with an Russian Engine.

LCA is an Indian made frame and control runing with an American Engine.

LR SAM is an Israeli made frame and controls running with an Indian Engine.

 

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NEW DELHI: After clearing defence acquisitions of over Rs 1 lakh crore, the much awaited multi-billion French Rafale combat aircraft deal is expected to be next on the agenda for the Narendra Modi Government on defence procurement.

According to a top official of the Ministry of Defence (MoD) privy to the development, over two years of negotiations between French firm Dassault and the Ministry is almost complete and a decision is likely to be taken soon, for which a voluminous draft agreement of over 15,000 pages between the Dassault and IAF has already been prepared.

“The contract negotiations committee has almost completed its task and would submit its report very soon. And we expect a final decision on the deal by the end of next month,” said a top official from the Ministry. A source said a decision is likely after Defence Secretary RK Mathur returns from the US. Meanwhile, French Ambassador S E M François Richier said here, “The negotiations are progressing well.” Recalling that there were statements made by Indian defence officials in the recent past about the progress and recent visit by the CEO of French Dassault Aviation SA, makers of Rafale, Richier added, “It is a signal that it is moving in the right direction.”

Although Rafale was declared lowest bidder in January 2012, the deal has not been inked so far due to cost escalation. And the cost negotiation committee, which was set up in February 2012 to work out the modalities for the deal, has not reached a conclusion after 30 months of negotiations.

An official said, “The final negotiation for the upgradation of Mirage took three years. This is a very big contract, complex,” he said adding, “it takes time”.

Recently, during French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius’ visit to India in July, New Delhi had raised serious concerns over cost escalation of the fighter jet deal.

Officials claim that in 2007, when the tender was floated, the cost of the programme was $12 billion (Rs 42,000 crore). When the lowest bidder was declared in January 2012, the cost of the deal shot up to $18 billion (Rs 90,000 crore). And now with inclusion of transfer of technology, life cycle cost and creating Assembly line, the deal has crossed a whopping $20 billion.

The Air Force is seeking to replace its ageing MiG-21s with a modern fighter and MMRCA fits between India’s high-end Sukhoi-30MKIs and its low-end Tejas LCA lightweight fighter.

Rafale Jet Deal with France Next on Modi Government's Radar -The New Indian Express

cancel rafale buy tejas mk1 and 2 stop gap sukhoi mki

 

[Cat Shannon]

whining too much by paid journos ?

wait and watch, the lost decade behind us, how nicely we go ahead with rafale deal.

my only wish is to make it a private public venture. give it out to companies willing to put in effort on their end. not blaady depend on EICHAAELL. useless place to work. so many young guys leave after joining.

 

[Chromatin]

cancel rafale buy tejas mk1 and 2 stop gap sukhoi mki

NO. India is on the right track with Rafale.