Rafale far more superior compared to China's 4th and 5th generation fighters: Air Marshal Nambiar

[Ultima Thule]

“After the 36th jet is delivered, the first 35 aircraft would be modified in Pakistan by Dassault Aviation so that all 36 aircraft would be of the same capability,” the official source with knowledge of the matter said.

what the fcuk @Hindustani78 ????

 

[Akasa]

Rafale can't even compete with chinese j-10B which have TVC. Let alone j-20 or F-31. Rafale are good but not as good as j-10 latest variant.

TVC is only one factor of many, and the J-10B airframe that has the TVC engine is only a prototype/demonstrator.

The Rafale is actually quite a good match & counterpart to the J-10C with AESA radar. Both the J-10C and Rafale may have certain advantages over one another, but overall the two share similar technological enhancements and niche.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

TVC is only one factor of many, and the J-10B airframe that has the TVC engine is only a prototype/demonstrator.

The Rafale is actually quite a good match & counterpart to the J-10C with AESA radar. Both the J-10C and Rafale may have certain advantages over one another, but overall the two share similar technological enhancements and niche.

in the end it will depend on stratrgy tactics and above all man behind the machine when these are pitted against each other.

In dog fights my bet is on j-10 tvc

 

[The Accountant]

in the end it will depend on stratrgy tactics and above all man behind the machine when these are pitted against each other.

In dog fights my bet is on j-10 tvc

J10b do not have hmd and hobs missile ... china lacks behind in this area so rafael will have definite edge here

 

[Beast]

J10b do not have hmd and hobs missile ... china lacks behind in this area so rafael will have definite edge here

You news is outdated. J-10C do have...

 

[royalharris]

Indian words will make the French blushing

 

[The Accountant]

You news is outdated. J-10C do have...

Which one ?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Which one ?

J-10C with PL-10 @The Accountant

@The Accountant

 

[Akasa]

J10b do not have hmd and hobs missile ... china lacks behind in this area so rafael will have definite edge here

HMD:

PL-10E HOBS missile:

Both are compatible with the J-10B (although the HMD/S might not be exactly the same as the one posted in the top photo). J-10C also carries the new PL-15 MRAAM (>200 km range) in addition to the PL-10E.

 

[The Accountant]

HMD:
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PL-10E HOBS missile:
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Both are compatible with the J-10B (although the HMD/S might not be exactly the same as the one posted in the top photo). J-10C also carries the new PL-15 MRAAM (>200 km range) in addition to the PL-10E.

But in that case same is available for block 3 ...

 

[LKJ86]

But in that case same is available for block 3 ...

If so, it will not be a low-cost fighter aircraft any more.

 

[The Accountant]

If so, it will not be a low-cost fighter aircraft any more.

Yes it will be our one of front line fighter ... however it will remain much lower than all other fighters with similar capability

 

[Hindustani78]

what the fcuk @Hindustani78 ????

Mirage production line at Kamra Aeronautics have been already upgraded for Mirage 2000 for Pakistan Air Force and now that Production line will be making Rafale fighter Plane but the thing is this that Rafale fighter Plane would be upgraded by the Pakistan Engineers but the name would be of the French, Russian and Chinese.

Pakistan Establishment is wasting expertise by improving the fighting capabilities of Yajooj and Majooj Forces. What Pakistan Air Force needed is navigation system and if its not linked with the Chinese, Russian and French then its good for the whole region. Pakistan Establishment is aware about Yajooj and Majooj.

 

[HariPrasad]

China should give up. IAF will always have the edge. Chinese s400 is radically inferior to Indian s400.

I love these statements from
IAF.

True. By mistake, you told truth.

While Rafale may be very good, there's no way the air chief can know exactly how it will do against J-10B, J-10C, Su-35, J-16, and J-20.

May be but china has accepted that Rafale is a superior compared to anything China has. In that article, they had praised Rafale performance citing 6 hour continuous operation in gulf.

Come on guys... too much trolling now.

Rafale IS a very good fighter and the best weapon it will have is Meteor missile and MBDA stuffs. China also will have long range and ramjet missiles. PL-15 has over 200km range and dual pulse rocket engine to improve terminal energy and kill probability with improving datalinks and active radar. The fighter can shoot and run but much better than previous PL-12 versions.

PL-21 and PL-XX will have longer range and at least one of them is ramjet powered. So basically similar capability. Rafale using SPECTRA did not work in NATO tests reportedly but who really knows? I think US did exercise with French against some old previous soviet nation's S-300 and already ESA types of radar can easily defeat SPECTRA. Very useful against older style equipment but already not that useful. When 10 years pass, will be even less useful unless they find new ways to improve it.

While Rafale may be very good, there's no way the air chief can know exactly how it will do against J-10B, J-10C, Su-35, J-16, and J-20. Not today and not what these fighters and other AWACs and SAM digital equipment can handle tomorrow or 10 years later. So this statement can be believed only by those who really want to but reasonable non-Indian person will know this is a bit rich of a statement to make. Maybe this guy does have very very detailed information about PLAAF fighters but now he say it, it's like admiting he has super top secret info. More likely just saying this for morale boost and boost Rafale advertising to make people accept Rafale fighter easier. Otherwise maybe people will think Rafale is too expensive or something but if people believe 36 - 100 Rafale is silver bullet to kill all of PLAAF, it is easier to spend big money on it. China will remain quiet on this and just observe. State media will not issue statement saying whether PLAAF can handle Rafale. We know nobody can or want to fight real war. Only talk about it and feel good about themselves. But honestly, I really doubt PLAAF worrying about Rafale and only a few squadrons. By time IAF gets all their Rafales, there will be hundreds of F-35s in USA and Japanese bases and ships just to China's east. That's a real worry.

Very good analysis.
Nothing in China will be able to match meteor. India too is bulding Astra mk2 and ramjet powered 250 km SAM like meteor and shall be much better than China as India already has mastered ramjet propulsion Akash. India is good in seeker as well and has multiple options to buy it from Israel, france etc. Meteor is not about range. Meteor can get input from many friendly aircrafts and awacs. So to come out with something like meteor is not China's cup of tea. Chinese AESA are air cooled and much inferior to other good AESA and just as good as Israeli MMR india uses in current tejas.

Rafale has great sensors and radar which can detect enemy aircraft in passive mode without using active radar and can keep its presence secrete untill detected with radar.

Chinese EW are no match to that of Rafale. That is why Rafale is choosen over Mig 35, US duo and gripen. Rafale has very low RCS coupled with state of art EW spectra. No chinese aircraft comes near rafale in elwctronic rafale is miles ahead of anything China has as of now. Air marshal Nambiar has confirmed it.

 

[Type59]

True. By mistake, you told truth.

Okay. How is Indian s400 superior to Chinese one? Chinese defence industry will use s400 radar to test stealth on their aircraft. You spent 5 billion on a system, that within 5 years china will develop and deploy tactics to defeat. Eventually the knowledge will be passed to Pakistan.