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I think it seems to be a social issue that is evolving rapidly - I am sure Australian Authorities will check it out becasue otherwise its becoming quite astonishing I only remember australia for 3 things
a) Skippy
b) Steve- O Aligator trainer
c) Of course the pain in arse Ausie cirket team
This whole beating up indians and group mugging is similar in style to killing of African students in Russia search on youtube - the attack pattern are similar to Australian ones and it could be a similar internal Youth Movemet or gangs who target people and attack em on certain times of day -
The brutality and style of crime is same as ones in Russian gangs I just found out about it on youtube ...
What? Wrong. I don't know who you heard that crap off. There is no kkk in Australia, there is no "clan" or "gang." The police are still investigating what happened, so if you hear any crap like this being said you know it's not true.
What the hell is wrong with you?
Of course i condemn the attack. Why the hell would i condone someone getting set on fire?
What a very very stupid question to ask.
Well, I've been reading some of your denial comments in this thread that made me ask that question. Anyhow, the Indian government has also confirmed that the attack had no racial intent. Why should I be getting worried, right?
I have never denied such attacks have happened. What i have denied is the fact that all of these attacks are racist.
I congratulate the Indian government on finally telling the Indian media to stop jumping to conclusions and stop hyping attacks up to high,
Ok fair enough, believe u are not partial..I am talking from experience and having dealt with alledged racist attacks. Whether I am of Pakistani origin or not, I dont care, facts be spoken and this is weighed in evidence.
I went through this link and hopefully it isn't a biased one...The Indian students need to sit down within a community meeting and say their peace in a diplomatic manner, not with violent protests. That achieves nothing when you cause alarm harrassment and distress to the entire community by these actions as soft hearts and sympathetic people start to falter and doubt the Indian claims.
And what are the chances that the investigation is fair? It won't be biased?? Come on dude, when such things happen even the fairest of judges try to support his men/country!!You cannot be the judge and jury, the Police will hold its investigation, and to not impede to compromise it, nothing will be disclosed unless to progress the investigation.
Thats why I called ur views to be from a pakistani perspective, because u never understand...the importance of freedom of press....INDIANS ON THIS FORUM, PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT POLICE INVESTIGTAIONS IN THE WEST ARE NOT THE SAME AS THOSE IN INDIA.
They don;t use torture to get confessions, but evidence is presented to the suspect, and if it passes the threshold then a charge is made and a trial held.
The trial is held in COURT, NOT IN THE INDIAN MEDIA.
So stop crying racism, when you weren;t there and dont know what had happenned and how he got killed. Hell, he could have been a child molester and a peado and got what was coming. Point is, no one at this stage knows. So lets wait and see huh
There is no point explaining it to these two, they are not even in Australia. They have no clue about Australia, they are just armchair experts who think they really are experts andk now everything.
Protests
Melbourne
On 30 April, 2008, the intersection of Flinders Street and Swanston Street was blocked for hours by Indian protesters, demanding better attitude from police in dealing with criminals who attack them. They also demanded pre-paid fares in Taxis 24x7. [4]
On 31 May, Over 4000 Indian Students staged a protest opposite Federation Square in Melbourne, saying the attacks were motivated out of racism and were not being sufficiently addressed by the Australian Government.[21] There were allegations that police were "punching" and "using pressure point tactics" while dragging protesters away, and that they hit a protester's leg with a baton, stomped on another student's chest, and broke another's thumb. Police alleged that an officer's hand was bitten.[22] A sitting protester was knocked unconscious by repeated punches to the head by a policeman. The Victorian Police said their actions were justified saying several non-Indians had joined the protests and had hijacked the demonstration and used violence to pursue a separate agenda.[23] One report said "Along with more police protection, the students also want a multicultural police section, and on-site accommodation for Indian students at all universities and colleges".[24] 18 protesters were arrested.
Sydney
On 7 June, there was a rally in the Sydney CBD attended by hundreds of Indians and supporters. The rally started at Sydney Town Hall and marched to Hyde Park. Some attending the rally specifically mentioned Harris Park as an area of Sydney where Indians were frequently assaulted, and called on police to do more to make that suburb safe.[25]
On 8 June, 300 Indian students staged a protest in Harris Park late into the evening in response to an alleged assault, claiming they were considered "soft targets".[26] Some Indian protestors were reported to be carrying hockey sticks and baseball bats. According to police, the protest was sparked by an attack on Indians earlier in the evening allegedly by Lebanese men.[27] In retaliation the protesters attacked three uninvolved Lebanese men, who sustained minor injuries.[28] This was believed to be the first violent reaction by Indian students against attacks on them.[13] A police dog squad was called in to control the crowd.[28]
On 9 June, 70 men protested again in Harris Park, blocking a street and claiming that they have been victim of attacks by Lebanese youths. Two men were arrested. The group dispersed around midnight.[29]
On 10 June, 70 Indian students gathered again in Harris Park, saying they were being attacked by Lebanese youths and being ignored by the police.[30] Indian community leaders called for an end to the protests, with Dr Yadu Singh saying: "One thing is clear - the rallies have served their purpose and we don't want any more rallies in Harris Park, that is the community's view.
Now, the link mentions that the first protest was held as back as 30 April, 2008, so being fair to police, do u mean to say, a year and more is not enough time for looking/investigating concerns raised by students??
If the police can attack protesters and knock one unconscious & then justify the same with no further action against them,do I have to understand if that was just a friendly gesture!!
The retaliation if u read further did come in June, the only reason being their concerns being neglected...
I do believe these incidents and the Indian response may have infuriated many Australians but the question is what do the student do if there are around 140 cases(all may not be racist but guess majority are) and hardly any action being taken...
when they protest they are hit like criminals...whos listening???
Even the Indian govt. as far as I remember initially tried to be ignorant...... so if ur own govt. doesn't listen, can we expect from a foreign govt to sit down within a community meeting and say their peace in a diplomatic manner?
And if the media(may be for TRP's) takes up the matter, tries to expose a few certain racist attacks ....what's the problem??
Aftermath
There was a 46% drop in Indians applying for student visas for Australia from July to Oct 31 2009 compared to the same period in 2008. [9]
There was a total drop of 26% in student visa applications to Australia from all counties (including India). [10]
A recent study (done before the deaths of Nitin Garg and Ranjodh Singh) forecast a 20% drop in Indian students expected to study in Australia in 2010, compared to 2009. However, after the attacks of 2009 and the deaths in Jan 2010, its expected to fall even further than the 20% drop. [11]
Victoria Police were given new laws to conduct stop-and-search operations without the need for warrants. They conducted their first stop-and-search operation for 3 hours at Footscray train station, which has a history of knife crime. They found 7 people carrying 12 weapons. [12] [/B]
Doesn't that mean the problem of attacks is/was a genuine one? Why weren't the police/govt taking preventive measures earlier, did they believe a miracle would stop them ??Wasn't this careless behavior/attitude enough to instigate Indians??
And what are the chances that the investigation is fair? It won't be biased?? Come on dude, when such things happen even the fairest of judges try to support his men/country!!
Thats why I called ur views to be from a pakistani perspective, because u never understand...the importance of freedom of press....
Indian police are no better, agreed..they torture, agreed...but evidences are bypassed by trial courts...thats a new one for me.......
We all saw the video where the protesters were hit..so...
A police force can hit a group of young men demanding justice but can't do so with some criminals coz they aren't brown skinned??
Hope u do the same next time when some1 calls u/ur brethren a "PAK*" ....or ur cricket team is instigated for murder...(remember woollmer??)
I hope some one explains to all those students staying home that they have a 2 and a half times greater chance of being murdered in india than they do in australia.
Aus rate per 100,000 is 1.2 Indias rate 2.8
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sir, are you trying to deny that Indians are not racially targeted in Australia?
Did you read that nothing was stolen. They stabbed the guy for nothing.......
Sir, are you trying to deny that Indians are not racially targeted in Australia?
Did you read that nothing was stolen. They stabbed the guy for nothing.......