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Quick question if someone told you flat out that man has walked earth for 350-400 million years would you believe them?

You have no evidence that humans were existed 300-400 million years ago, no holy books of any religion gave exact arrival of Adam and Eve on earth @Titanium100

Not directly but indirectly definitely yes..

The answer lays in Adam's height 27.4m

figure this puzzle out? you can calculate your way to it but it will take a full circle hence you need to solve two other elements first before finding answer..
 
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Not directly but indirectly definitely yes..

The answer lays in Adam's height 27.4m

figure this puzzle out? you can calculate your way to it but it will take a full circle hence you need to solve two other elements first before finding answer..
Nonsense again nonsense, if you have any proofs than share with us @Titanium100
 
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The Ancient peoples timeline and the first humans who walked the earth - Timeline

I have been pondering and wondering on and off since I was in my teenage years about the timeline difference and what never made sense to me is the secular concept of 7000 years of human history and to some degree amongst the majority of the superstitious sects. This never made sense to me whatsoever.

When you read the Quran about Adam and how the angels bowed to him and when he descended on earth with his wife it makes you wonder when did this take place timeline wise and how long has mankind walked the earth? The secular concept of 7000 years of human history has never made sense to me and to many other people like me even in our kindergarten years and if it can't even make sense to kids than what is there left to debate about and to be honest with you we are not gonna waste time on this but rather trying to locate the true timeline of our forefathers we will try our best but the true knowlegde is always with Allah(swt)

We hear about great scientists but one guy who is underrated imo is a mechanical engineer called Stephen Hurrell what he found dismissed evolution theory gently and also made scientific work of upto 100-years vanish overnight because they bulit all their theories like pyramid without evidence so if you remove one stone everything falls apart. Evidence is key and his fundation is build on evidence.

Now that we have completed the introduction lets move on to the topic.

1. Size and scale matter much more than we realize. We can't exist in the timeline of the former people like Adam, Hawa, Noah and the people of Aad and they in return can't exist in our timeline it has something to do with gravity and the key secret is gravity and oxygen.

You see if you place a person who stands 27.4 Meter tall in our current timeline he could die within minutes of stroke or heart-attack because he weighes about 250-270 tons and due to the gravity being 1g = 9.8 m/s2 they would suffer from blood pressure and disruption in the blood circulation and it would end in fatality very quick within minutes.

So the question is how did the dinosaures and early humans manage to walk the earth once? The answer is simple the earth was much smaller than it's current size of today this is the only possible way that the dinosaures and the early humans could have walked the earth. the largest dinosaures stood 25-Meters and most of the height came from the neck which means Adam was technically bigger than the biggest dinosaur recorded as he stood 27.4 Meters tall and on the other hand we couldn't have existed in their timeline and not to forget since the oxygen levels were at 35% we would have trouble breathing and could die rather quickly and we would be to small and probably be jumping around in big leaps since we would be to light to support ourselves and would be unable to get a good foot standing on the ground as the gravity is more than 50% lower than our current timeline.

The earth's gravity is growing because the earth has been expanding and this fact is also mentioned in the Quran. Find the verses below.

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More figures:

Current Earth
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Earth 50 MYa ago

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Earth 100 Mya ago = Mya stands for Million years ago

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Earth 200 Mya
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Earth 300 Mya
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Earth 4500-2000 Mya
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I gave you there a brief introduction to the expanding earth and how gravity have increased thru out time and also you don't need to be a scientist to understand this concept because if you look at the world map you will see that South America fits into Africa like a puzzle and the same goes to the other continents they fit into each other like a puzzle and can only only fit into each other if the size is reduced.

There is ocean and land? The land is not expanding nor was it ever expanding but the ocean floor is the one expanding pushing the continents away from each other and according to the Quran Allah says he expanded the earth and brought it's waters( The Ocean)

The Quran describes it in exact sequence:

وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا
And after that He expanded the earth.


أَخْرَجَ مِنْهَا مَاءَهَا وَمَرْعَاهَا

bringing forth its water and pastures


وَالْجِبَالَ أَرْسَاهَا

[after that] He established the Mountains.


The gravity of earth use to be much smaller than it is today due to earth being smaller in size.
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Now we have to locate a possible timeline for the size of Adam becuase if he was 27.4 Meters tall than he must have existed in a timeline suitable for his stature and existence because if he existed outside of the timeline suitable for his height and weight it could have been fatal and that is an unlikely error that will occur in the sight of the grand master himself Allah(swt).

According to the calculations scale of size is used. Example If you make someone with average size today lets say 1,70 meter times 2 that is 3,4 Meter. So now you have scale 1 = 1,70M and scale 2 = 3,4M but when it comes to weight after going up 1 scale in height you must multiple 8 your average weight so you will weigh 8 times more when you go up in height twice. The figure below will show you in more detailed fashion.

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Gravity will have to be lower for the 3.4m tall human to support himself and in order to have the ability to walk otherwise his bones will crack due to the pressure of the gravity. Now that we know of the gravitiy's effect on size, bones, blood pressure, movement, leg pressure and weight we move into our final stage.
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Where did the first generation of mankind on earth fit into this? We can give them a circa location timeline but never 100% as that knowlegde is alone with Allah(swt)

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We will use an average human to scale in size so we will go with someone who stands 1,70 meter and we multiple with 2 each time to get the next scale.

1. Scale: 1.70M
2. Scale: 3.4M
3. Scale: 6.8M
4. Scale: 13.6M
5. Scale: 27.2M

As you can see when you scale up a current human 5 times in size you get something similar to the early humans height according to our prophet(sa) in a hadith said Adam was 60 cubits tall which means 27.4M.

Adam stood 27.4M tall and weighted around 250-270 Tons he could thrive between 400-350 Million years ago due to his size and scale. He wouldn't experience difficult in running, sprinting, fighting, hunting and pretty much do what we everyday people do in our current timeline.

I see some people who normally say Adam and Noah existed not long from each other? Thats not factual in my opinion and nobody said that both in the Quran or hadith because in the time of Noah there was technological advancement which means at his time there were plenty of humans. The size of the ark he built to house so many animals must be out of this world imagine how big he was first of all? Around 27.4M tall so a ship that can house him has to be huggge and than imagine the size of all the animals and their numbers? You see? It becomes mindblowing. It had to be literally the size of an urban city of our current time. He could have never bulit that with primitive tools but he existed in a thriving civilisation.

Conclusion: The true timeline is only with Allah(swt) and I do not claim to now the exact timeline and all I provide you with was the best I could do in locating their timeline with what I had of resources and showing you the myth of 7000 years is not only far off by couple of years but by gazillions of years.

Another thing to also consider is that the people of A'ad could have not thrived in our written history era but gazillion years ago post Noah civilistation recovered and they existed around that time and could have been even few couple of tens of million decades.

Imo aside from the giant insects found there is plenty more of gigantic animals who still exist today that existed 400-350 million years ago but not found and one of the reasons why we haven't recovered all of these animals is because of where they are buried. If you want to find bones of people or animals that existed 400-350 million years ago you have to dig below the coal 30-50M where is the coal? Coal is located between 55-90 Meter below the surface and most of the coal you see today is from the Carboniferous era around 360 million years ago which means if you bury someone from the carboniferious era you will have to dig a huge grave for him since he/she is pretty large and the coal formed thru out that time via threes dying by falling to the ground and turning into coal. So technically they can be found Approximately 100-150 Meters below the surface of earth and imo we will be able to find things that will surprise most people not only giant human bones but also giant big cats that stand around 19 meter tall and dogs bigger than the dinosaures and all sorts of animals you see today but in much larger scale just like the giant dragon flies that existed in that same period and actully found today. Have you ever seen a dragon fly the size of current human? it existed in that timeline 400-350 mya and we have found its remains today. Giant human skeletons have been found nearly that size in different places by accident. Normal everyday humans can't just run into this large bones unless an earthquake happens and forces these things out since they are buried below 100-150 meters but with a new technology that can detect stuff upto 300M way below the surface it would be easy to unearth everything that has every crawled or lived on earth at one point
 
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Dhul Qarnayn could have existed long before our written history meaning pre-Ibrahim

I am of the opinion that mankind has walked earth hundred millions of years. I have spoken about this theory on this forum since it is the only independent intellectual place.

Long story short you can read it on this thread if you wanna know how I came to that conclusion

I am also of the opinion that many advanced civilizations have come and gone? The question is why don't we have any written history of this advanced civilizations? it is due to many ''re-set'' events that took place and what is re-set events you may wonder? It is something similar to what happened to the people of Noah it was a fully re-set event where mankind started from square zero and this event will also happen again during the release of Gog and Magog it will be a fully ''re-set'' event. This resets the clock again and have occured many times according to my theory. Allah himself says I have destroyed many generations after Aad. The quran details 6-7 destructions but clearly mentions there were many but in my opinion it could be in the 1000s upon 1000s if not 10000s upon 10000s could even be way more then that.

It takes a period of time for a civilization to form and become advanced civilization like ours. We are an advanced civilization. Example if you compare our civilization to the civilization of the prophet or the ancient israelites even the egyptians they were not advanced. But the civilizations predating them before a re-set happened were advanced and even more advanced then our current civilization since they had bigger craniums then us.

All this I mentioned is my personal theory..

Now back on topic and why I think Dhul Qarnayn existed outside of the last age(The oldest records we have of the last age is probably Ibrahim SA) He was born perhaps in the middle between our time and a reset event meaning perhaps 10000-20000 years before he was born a reset event took place that wiped out an advanced civilzation. Where mankind started from square zero.

I see alot of people say it is Alexander or some say Cyrus or what not but they are very wrong. We may have not looked closely at the verses themselves. It mentions him going to where the sun rises from and The sun rises on New Zealand and Samoa Islands and then it says he went to where the sunsets and he found it setting on dark murky water and that is Alaska could be either Gulf of Alaska or Berring sea along the end of Yukon river in Nunam Iqua that means lands end in native language. His third direction is not given for security reasons I don't think they wanna reveal where Gog and Magog is located for man will open it and no hints was given of that location like the two first adventures that were very specific.

it says they have provided him with all means and sound power. The dam which he build was made by mixing different metals and burning it very hot and using alot of man power and it was gigantic since it was blocking a passage between two mountains. If you look at it from logistical point of view? kings of the past couldn't build that since it's outside of their league except in our current industrial era. The Romans, Arabs, Ottomans, Greeks, Chinese, Egyptians, Assyrians, Persians, Babylonians or Sumerians couldn't build it meaning it could have only been done by an advanced civilization and could very well eclipse our current dams when we read into how vaste the construction was completely blocking passage between moutains shout with hot mixture of different metals.

Pin pointing his timeline is however impossible and there is no clue that can give you a hint of a possible timeline but the only hint it provides is that we can determine that he probably existed in the civilizations before the last age period. Where exactly is impossible to pin point either it could even be 10 to 20 resets before our time which could make the gap even much bigger to couple of million decades

 
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Part 1

What we understand is that mankind atleast walked earth for 350-million years approx. and most likely since during the carboniferous era and the question I wanna ask is Would it be to far-fatched to think that many of these earlier humans had better technology then us? Since they had so much time to walk earth? A single human life span use to be 1000 years and they went down slowly in life span until we reached 65 today. These early large humans had bigger craniums then us which suggest they were smarter then us intellectually and superior to us in that aspect. Would it be to far-fatched to think they build masterpiece architecture and technology which we can't replicate?

Logic says it's understandable because they had much bigger cranium then us? Which means they were intellectually superior which debunks many theories even further because everything seems to have been opposite. We are not increasing but decreasing both in Size, Life-span and intellect compared to these ancient people.

Now I will showcase to you one hint of this. We only found out just recently about the pyramids true purpose and why they were bulid not only in Egypt but around the world by ancient civilizations. The great pyramids of egypt was an ancient power plant and a very powerful power plant with limitless energy and some of us didnt even understand it properly until today that is how much we are behind thinking it was a freaking tomb all this time.


Nikola Tesla's free energy idea was taken from the Pyramids of Giza and he build it somewhere in the US but he went broke after that and he was defamed because he was shout down by a greedy wealthy man who didn't want to make energy for free and this happened 100 years ago and mankind as awhole chose the more difficult path with wires and cables etc etc. If Tesla had completed this we would have flying cars today with unlimited amount of energy.

Now lets come back to the main topic.

The power plant is free energy where TV's, phones, cars and everything electric will not need chargers or recharging? Everything becomes wireless and imagine watching TV without having the stick in the electric hole. This would make the sci-fi movies you see real and cars being able to fly under such limitless wireless energy.

By the way Pharoah and co. Didn't build the pyramids but it predates them approx. by 100.000s of years upto couple of million decades. In my upcoming posts in this thread I will further touch upon what happened to these ancient generations and why there is no written history about them? And why most of them left without written history and no trace?

To be continued...
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Part 2

Today I will cover why these earlier civilizations and generations never left written history nor traces of their existences?

Lets just assume that today we leave this world where our cities are still standing and we return 20.000 years later we won't be able to prove that people lived here because everything will collapse and will be lost to the eons and cities will turn into forests again where roads will become grassing place for animals and it will become soil and grow grass. All the buildings will collapse after 1000-2000 years and the last remaining thing that will stand for upto 10000 years will be our dams.

Nobody would be able to prove that we ever walked the earth and there would be no evidence that these places were once triving cities where a nation once called home.

There has been many apologetic events in human history and the once mentioned in the Quran and hadith is just the tip of the iceberg meaning there is countless of destructions that has not been mentioned and Allah says that he destroyed many generations after Hud but the Quran only mentions very few like Hud, Thamud, Noah, Lot, the people of the garden, etc etc and one thing to note is that everything post Ibrahim was amongst the later people aka our timeline because he was close to our timeline he was amongst the last people just like us but the history that predates Ibrahim is far greater like hundreds of million years of human history and in the Quran they call them the early people and we are called the later people but one thing to note is that the early people had many generations.

The humans from the early people that the Quran mentions are Adam, Eve, Qabil and Habil obviously they were the absolute first people on earth but after them we have the first civilization mentioned with the people of Noah since he was capable of building an Ark to house all animals he had technological and logistical power since such an ark would be to significant for someone without tools and advancement to build and it would have to be almost the size of current city in order to carry them all with their food and everything for weeks. Then we have Idris, The people of Aad, and we have the people of Thamud despite being much recent compared to the others they could have existed atleast million of decades ago which could be considered much recent in comparison to Aad and Noah who could be located 300 to 200 million years ago. Then there is the people of the Garden they could have been of the early people but there is no indiction and there is also Dhul Qarnayn who I personally lean on to be amongst these from pre-written history and pre-Ibrahim time. The Quran is not a historical book and it only takes these stories for moral reasons as an example. The people of Thamud who I believe predate Ibrahim and especially if you see their buildings you would realize that they were indeed large in order to build such big doors for them to walk thru it.

When the Prophet(Sa) mentioned Adam's height he indirectly gave us the timeline of Adam and from that we can calculate an approx. timeline of his existence but not a precise one since that is only with Allah. Everything had to be right for someone of his size to thrive on earth and the gravity has to be at the right balance for him and from that we can draw a picture.

The History of mankind is vastly greater then we comprehend and if mankind walked the earth for so long then everything possible that could happen probably happened already under the sun and by that I mean the same cliches and can you imagine how many kingdoms, nations and civilizations that has come and gone and can you imagine how many love-stories that has taken place or many generations that has been destroyed or how many wars that has taken place?

In my opinion there has been something called ''Re-set'' many times and the re-set is one of the destructions for sinful nations but this one is on global level and what it does is that it re-sets everything. Example the destruction on the people of Aad was not a ''Re-set'' but the destruction on the people of Noah was a ''Re-set'' because the destruction of Aad was on regional level and only targetted with the people of Aad not the other nations existing at that time but with the people of Noah it was global they brought in the water and took us on the Ark (Noah and his 3 sons + wives) It was a re-set destruction event.

The other destructions that were not ''Re-set'' mentioned in the Quran were the people Lot, Thamud, and the people of the garden and here comes the fun part ''WE'' will experience a complete ''Re-set'' like the people of Noah via Gog and Magog hence why they serve as our flood and once they come and destroy everything they have completed the mission of the ''Re-set'' few people will start allover again and re-build humanity. This re-set has taken place many times in human history and the Quran mentions one ''Re-set'' but there has been multiple ''Re-set'' in my opinion.

The last re-set could have been between 200.000 yrs - 500.000 years ago because there has been population bottleneck where all the existing people re-populated from 40 males and 40 females which indicts perhaps they were the survivors of that re-set and probably it was due to a volcanic eruption that caused the ice age and in my opinion could have claimed these before this re-set era we live in.

What happens in such a re-set era is loss of technology, knowlegde, medical knowlegde and many other things but most important thing is shirk because most of these civilizations were vile in nature since they were involved in stature worship and worshiping other false deities except the one who created them and far away from the guidence of Allah and pagan civilizations. It was a blessing that their books and way of life was lost in the destruction otherwise they would have corrupted us since they were older then us. The same thing will happen once Gog and Magog complete the re-set on us our Technology and knowledge will be lost and the few survivors will start from the beginning allover again and will build their worlds with new knowlegde and crave out their own technology as they keep continue growing in populations and slowly become nations again.

DISCLAIMER: I only provided you from what I had of resources and the unknown knowledge only belongs to Allah alone and I don't know the unknown but this is from my own research take notice of this
 
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Part 3

The Statements I made here is not against Islam in fact the Hadith itself provides us indirectly with Adam's approx. timeline because the Prophet(sa) mentioned his size and as you may know we have the right necessary knowlegde to locate him circa. after the size the prophet(sa) provided us. This is not against Islam otherwise the prophet(sa) wouldn't have provided us with his actual size.

Everything told to us by this secular science is absolute drivel because everything is solidly tied to the evolution theory which defeats any logical thinking or facts by default.

The only real knowlegde out there is independent knowlegde outside of the evolution drivel and their only purpose is to delude the masses about the origins of mankind. This is the point of the whole plot.

Let me give you some examples of two famous tourist sites in Indonesia and South Africa

This footprint is a famous tourist destination in Indonesia and this footprint is 6m long.
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And here is another one from South Africa and this one is 1.3M long and estimated to be around 100-million years old
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Both these two humans walked the earth in different timelines by strictly following the size we can locate both their approx. timeline? The larger one with the 6m footprint was of the earlier generations and much older approx. 350mya and his height would be around 27-30m where as the one with the 1.3m footprint would be around 7M tall.

You have to realize that a person who stands 27-30m tall can't exist 7000 or 10000 years ago it's physically impossible because they would die immediately if placed in our current gravity and oxygen levels would be to low for them. Their bones could break due to the pressure if they attempt to stand and would not be able to stand and die immediately. In order for them to thrive they have to be in the right timezone for them where the gravity is much lower and the oxygen levels is higher and the same with the dinosaurs it's physically impossible for them to exist in our current gravity. The Gravity has been growing due to earth expansion which means the earth was smaller hence why it was possible for both these large animals and ancient humans to walk and roam the earth. The gravity was increasing which is why we have been decreasing in size.

There are two other examples where Allah indirectly gives us the precise percentage to two questions? 1. Zakat percentage: The prophet was asked how much shall we pay in zakat he said out of every 1000 sheep 25? What does that mean? Why drop the 1000? because Allah wants people to calculate this into percentage and it becomes 2.5%. 2. How many people will go into paradise Allah gives us this question into percentage: Adam asks Allah on the day of judgement how many of my kids will go to paradise with me and Allah says out of every 1000 only 1 and 999 out of 1000 to hell fire? Again what does this mean? It means 0.1% goes to paradise whereas the rest 99.9% goes to hell fire.

Sometimes they give us indirectly answers where we have to figure out the rest for ourselves just like how Adam's size is a big clue to his approx. timeline location.

Regarding evolution and all the secular science we see today has been the biggest scam in human history in my honest opinion and it's done on purpose and deliberately. Anyone with a half-brain can see thru that because it's that deliberate. There are many independent thinkers like me who know how this works. I mean like who would believe in 7000 years human history? It's redundant or that we were apes 25.000 years ago? It's even more redundant and When you know the entire science of today is tied down to this drivel then you would know that you have been lied to.

I hope that people can open themselves up this and see the true history of mankind and for how long we walked the earth. I promise you won't find this type of research anywhere else on the internet because I took out the time to share this piece of invaluable information to these among you who are learned and use reason
 
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Also this means Adam landed on earth during the carboniferous era...

Not necessarily ...

Whether Adam AS was the first human or was he the father of the current generation of humans remains debatable

While the Qur'an neither confirms nor denies the existence of humanoids before Adam, it does however hint towards prevalence of corruption and bloodshed on Earth before Adam [2:30]

There however are certain Hadith/reports that categorically confirm the presence of humanoids on earth long before Adam was born/created. For example:

Surely Allah has created on Earth since its creation seven worlds who were not from the children of Adam. He created them from the surface material of the earth and resided them therein one after another, each with its own world. Thereafter, He created Adam the father of this mankind and created his offspring from him. (Imam Jafar Sadiq)

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Many scholars of exegesis have opined that the Jinn were created before Adam (p), and that before them ḥinn and binn roamed the Earth; so Allah (s) empowered the Jinn over them; so they killed, distanced and destroyed them from it; and resided after them on Earth. (Ibn Kathīr, al-Bidāyah wa al-Niyāhah)
 
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I wanna hightlight All credit to the author who was sharing it in a less active and unknown forum to small audience and i found it interesting.. (Copyright) The content is entirely his not mine.

For these who are interested in the expanding earth theory explained in details

Not necessarily ...

Whether Adam AS was the first human or was he the father of the current generation of humans remains debatable
They confirm that both in hadith, quran, tawrah and injel.. he was the first
 
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They confirm that both in hadith, quran, tawrah and injel.. he was the first

Not talking about what Tawrah or Injel say ...
Quran does suggest existence of humanoids/hominids before Adam ..

Whereas some Hadith/reports categorically confirm presence of humanoids before Adam

Islamic theologists interpreting words 'Bashar' and 'Insan' differently is not something new
 
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Not talking about what Tawrah or Injel say ...
Qur'an however does suggest existence of humanoids before Adam ..
Whereas some Hadith/reports categorically confirm presence of humanoids before Adam

Never seen that and no evidence for it mentioned..

There were Jinns however..

Adam and Eve were the first they literally landed here like galatic travellers to replant and populate the world..

The one responable for the universe is extremely calculative and highly on point....

His existence can be proven...

If you know anything about chemistry then you would know about the first law of Energy called the First law of thermodynamics.

Energy in the universe have always been eternal and energy can't be created nor destroyed but it can be transfered from one source to another and that is how we charge our phones and transfer energy into our homes. Also all life form of existence directly belong to the one who controls the energy source. All form of living creatures on earth contain alot of energy without the energy being transfered they can't exist.

The Energy in the universe is eternal and have always existed. It dosen't have beginning nor ending.

Another thing to consider is that there is an entire surah ''Ikhlas'' in the Quran describing him as such like the 1st law of Thermodynamics..

The question to ask? Is he really? Absolutely scientifically yes. There is one being that is responsible and that is the one who owns the energy source
 
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Ofcourse, civilised human being have existed for millions of years, that is what our holy texts tell us and that is the ultimate truth. Not only that but there have civilisations in the past which were way more advanced than ours today.

However those who believe the idiot Darwin and his bullshit theory of evolution, which states human being were monkeys and apes 5000 years ago, they would take it as a
You can be religious and still believe in evolution.
 
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Never seen that and no evidence for it mentioned..

A Quranic verse, A hadith and a well-known commentary were actually mentioned in post#23 that you conveniently ignored .. And just because you have never "seen" something doesn't mean that it does not exist
 
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Ofcourse, civilised human being have existed for millions of years, that is what our holy texts tell us and that is the ultimate truth. Not only that but there have civilisations in the past which were way more advanced than ours today.

However those who believe the idiot Darwin and his bullshit theory of evolution, which states human being were monkeys and apes 5000 years ago, they would take it as a joke.
Can you quote where our holy texts tell us civilised or any other human beings have existed for millions of years?

Can you quote where Darwin says that human beings were apes and monkeys 5000 years ago.

Thanks in advance.
 
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