Questions about Pakistanis, Indian Muslims and Bangladeshis

[Manidabest]

The fact is that Pakistanis have many cultures in itself and if you compare Pakistan and Bangladesh then you are talking about all together a different culture....the only similarity we have is majority religion ...and i am very much happy that Bangladesh is no more part of Pakistan i am not against Bangladeshis at all but come on 1300 miles away with a big enemy in the middle its just didnt make any sense... moreover it had never been one even from the start of independence struggle .. if any history student is here then he can tell in better way.... it was a mutually beneficial alliance during independence struggle which gone bad after independence...

 

[haviZsultan]

Selam to everyone,

I have some questions on my mind that I would like to ask but I'm afraid that some might feel insulted.
Anyway, that's not my intention. I apologise in advance if anybody should feel I have insulted them or trodden on their toes. It's just...I don't know much about the identities and cultures in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh. To be honest, some things confuse me.

Last year I met a Pakistani and a Bangladeshi guy at the university. Both super nice, they were real friends. There was no problem at all. Last week I met another exchange student from Bangladesh. As the overwhelming majority of Bangladeshis this guy was polite, nice and intelligent. Unfortunately, at the end of our talk I found out, that he is a real Pakistan hater.

I was like: Whuaaat?!

So, I have tons of questions:

How is the relationship between Pakistanis and Bangladeshis today?

Is Bangladesh pro India?

What (with the exception of the language) are the cultural differences between Pakistani and Bangladeshi societies?

Do Pakistani and Indian Muslims see themselves as a part of one nation divided in two countries?

Is Pakistan a "desi" country? Actually, isn't "desi" a racist label?

I would welcome your response. Please excuse my bad command of English.

It is unfortunate that many Bengladeshis have the past in their minds and have not forgiven Pakistan for its 1970-71 policy which even I believe was wrong. I think the idea that Bengal is far away is a convenient excuse to cover up our excesses and mistakes in the war where we refused to acknowledge the victory of Mujib Ur Rehmans party. We west Pakistanis were responsible and each of our ethnic groups had a role in the break up of Bengal something very few of us accept. Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan cried when he heard Bengal had broken up from Pakistan... In his honor I see it as a duty to reunify Bengal with Pakistan even if it means extra, special rights for Bengalis and oppression of west Pakistanis by the same Bengalis. We should feel what we did to them.

We treated the Bengalis very badly and the result is before us-India got an opportunity to break us. However some Bengalis hold a grudge over this forever and I have met such Bengalis. They don't see that Pakistanis are very sad for what was done.

As far as muslims of Lucknow are concerned some are slowly drifting towards Pakistan but I suspect some of this may be the result of Modi's Hindutva rule over India and its occupation territories. I myself am a Lucknowi Pakistani and as Atanz stated a migrant from Lucknow which is now an Indian occupied territory-regardless I do not believe in the concept of a united India but of course I cannot speak for all Muslims in Indian occupied parts. Each of us has a different way of thinking.

 

[Zibago]

Thank you for your post, however I was aware of the concept of Ummah.

Did W Pak care for those in E Pak ? Evidently not . If Ummah did not apply within a nation there is little chance of its sucess internationally as we see.

On your second point , they did feel the need for a separate nation but having got it then the 'c ommon enemy' disappeared & internal prejudices surfaced . The result was break up.





India does not stay together because of what the IA does , the IA has no role internally.

Remove army from occupied kashmir then

 

[Kaniska]

why not? Better than marry with mushrik photohari girl

He..he...i like your spirit man..Keep it up...It is better to marry a beauty one rather than repent for ever in the name of nationalism...

 

[my2cents]

Islam is more of a way of living than religion. What happens here is marriage takes place both way.
don't forget the story: a Sahaba asked our beloved Prophet Muhammad (s.a.a.w) that if he needed to break relation with his parents as they were non-muslims. He said he must keep in touch and take care of them. What do you learn from it ?
he preferred relationship over religion, don't forget his biggest companion was his uncle who was non-muslim.

we need to study Islam, it says more things than it meets the eye. what we do is, many muslims bring religion in everything

You don't need to quote Koran to know that. It is common sense.

 

[third eye]

Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan cried when he heard Bengal had broken up from Pakistan...

When did this happen.. the crying ?

In his honor I see it as a duty to reunify Bengal with Pakistan even if it means extra, special rights for Bengalis and oppression of west Pakistanis by the same Bengalis. We should feel what we did to them.

How does anyone unify someone who is independent & does not want to come back to the fold !

Your idea is to unify the bengalis and have them oppress the West Pakistanis ?

This is a new & original idea !!

As far as muslims of Lucknow are concerned some are slowly drifting towards Pakistan but I suspect some of this may be the result of Modi's Hindutva rule over India and its occupation territories. I myself am a Lucknowi Pakistani and as Atanz stated a migrant from Lucknow which is now an Indian occupied territory-regardless I do not believe in the concept of a united India but of course I cannot speak for all Muslims in Indian occupied parts. Each of us has a different way of thinking.

Seeing whats happening to Shias who is his right mind would like to drift to Pakistan ? Whats stopping them from seeking Pak citizenship ?

You do not believe in a Unified India ?? Well , your predecessors believed in a unified Pakistan that too didnt stay.

Unfortunately for you India is there to stay.

You have been attempting to raise this bogey of Lucknow time & again. Its a city not a region . I too have roots in those parts and no where is Awadh going or wanting to go.

But then since you have heard or seen Jinnah crying 22 years after he was laid to rest all I can do is commend your imagination.
@vsdoc @nair

 

[haviZsultan]

When did this happen.. the crying ?



How does anyone unify someone who is independent & does not want to come back to the fold !

Your idea is to unify the bengalis and have them oppress the West Pakistanis ?

This is a new & original idea !!

By treating them with so much respect that they themselves demand the reunification of Pakistan.

whats happening to Shias who is his right mind would like to drift to Pakistan ? Whats stopping them from seeking Pak citizenship ?

You do not believe in a Unified India ?? Well , your predecessors believed in a unified Pakistan that too didnt stay.

Unfortunately for you India is there to stay.

There are many shias and violence against them is not so widespread. There are problems with LeJ and the Hazaras are bearing the brunt. It is my hope we crush the Lashkar E Jhangvi.

You have been attempting to raise this bogey of Lucknow time & again. Its a city not a region . I too have roots in those parts and no where is Awadh going or wanting to go.

But then since you have heard or seen Jinnah crying 22 years after he was laid to rest all I can do is commend your imagination.
@vsdoc @nair

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There are Lucknowis who want independence or merger with Pakistan-you cannot change this reality. Justice is oneof the most important things and our families have still not been given justice for those killed and our properties which were stolen since 47. If you do not give justice and elect a terrorist as PM it sends a very wrong message. I intend to free Lucknow of India and reunite our relatives. That is my prerogative.

 

[war&peace]

Desi is not a racist word at all

It is a racist term now here in west and they use it derisively. That is why I prefer to be called Pakistani origin American, Immigrant or simply Pakistani but not desi.

 

[Point_4590]

17.7 million Indian muslims have nothing in common with either of them almost all are local converts they are different both racially and culturally and follow islam which is a blend of Sufism and indian religion they also believe in so called Grave worship and peer muradi culture.

guys correct me if i am wrong

@Hindustani78
@indy

 

[third eye]

Are you for real ? !!

For Gods sake think like an analyst.

I asked you when did Jinnah cry on dismemberment of Pakistan and see your reply !!

By treating them with so much respect that they themselves demand the reunification of Pakistan.

This is your reply to my query on your solution to allow Bengalis to ' oppress' West pakistanis !! Do you still think its a good idea & your nation will allow this out of the box answer !!

There are many shias and violence against them is not so widespread. There are problems with LeJ and the Hazaras are bearing the brunt. It is my hope we crush the Lashkar E Jhangvi.

Well you have just admitted there is violence against them . Thats something

Why should there be violence against a fellow muslim for being a Shia in a muslim nation & why would Shias from elsewhere want to join the oppressed lot ?

There are Lucknowis who want independence or merger with Pakistan-you cannot change this reality. Justice is oneof the most important things and our families have still not been given justice for those killed and our properties which were stolen since 47. If you do not give justice and elect a terrorist as PM it sends a very wrong message. I intend to free Lucknow of India and reunite our relatives. That is my prerogative.

After a drink or two I sometimes want merger with USA or Zimbabwe / Cuba or something depending on what I have had to drink . Does this mean my nation would like to merge ? !!

We elect our leader based on his / her demonstrated performance not to give ' messages'.

@Icarus .. dwindling quality of posts ?

 

[haviZsultan]

Are you for real ? !!

For Gods sake think like an analyst.

I asked you when did Jinnah cry on dismemberment of Pakistan and see your reply !!

This is your reply to my query on your solution to allow Bengalis to ' oppress' West pakistanis !! Do you still think its a good idea & your nation will allow this out of the box answer !!

Any person giving up his or her rights struggles but the Bengalis struggled in such a way and we put them down brutally. We should feel how it is like to be the victims so that we can sympathize with our countrymen-not just our ethnic group

Well you have just admitted there is violence against them . Thats something

Why should there be violence against a fellow muslim for being a Shia in a muslim nation & why would Shias from elsewhere want to join the oppressed lot ?

I do not hide or brush over problems. But no one came and asked my story and why my parents migrated from Lucknow nor did anyone ask about the people I knew who were killed by India. So the media is clearly focused on defending Hindutvas and gang.

Violence against shias is unfortunate but never has there been an apology let alone justice for those who lost their people to India's hindutvas. No one would even ask for independence had justice been quick and swift.

After a drink or two I sometimes want merger with USA or Zimbabwe / Cuba or something depending on what I have had to drink . Does this mean my nation would like to merge ? !!

We elect our leader based on his / her demonstrated performance not to give ' messages'.

@Icarus .. dwindling quality of posts ?

There is a legitimate movement of Lucknowis seeking the dissolution of the Indian state. I know such people and head a group of such people. You do not understand the commonalities between Pakistanis and Lucknowites-we have family in each part, we share culture and most importantly we are part of the same ummah. Lucknowis and Pakistanis are one.

Modi has communalized society-even if you do not agree you must agree that if only muslims had voted Congress would be in power. The people, particularly Hindus voted on the basis of religion which is a mistake in itself.[/QUOTE]

 

[Indika]

When did this happen.. the crying ?

good catch. lucknowi nawab has gone bonkers.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

aahahaha lol if they believed what you said in the past. They were suppose to be called Muslims now Christians ahahaha

Its getting off topic but my friend as Muslims we have certain responsibilities set by our ultimate goals as a Muslim ie the dominance of the System of All Mighty, and we as Muslims r Nayab(representatives) of this system of Islam. We r told by him to bring others (non muslims) under its fold.

And that actual goal of the core of Islamic Ideology cant be achieved through this way (ie marrying non believers etc) because in this way yr own future generations r at risk as we have already seen in the case of Bangladesh and this new generation of some Indian Muslims, who r harshly critical of religion as a concept itself because they cant find any direction in their life and its purpose.

Yes there used to be exception of marrying with people of book ie christians and jews, but today the scholars of the highest degree advise to avoid that. Common u know why it is, u have seen how they treat us Muslims and they look down upon us. Its not practical anymore. Such type of relations do demand respect for one another if it is not there then its just hell. However that too this exception was only of men not women. Since both have different roles in society and homes.

The best and most practical way as well as realistic is to marry with Muslims themselves.As it is already guided by Islam.
Ethnicity is good, but its not everything what a person needs, if this was the case then Islam wouldnt have spread beyond Arabia.

If u really have a thing for somebody then simply make them a Muslim just like u, that could be more practical and workable solution then simply overlooking the belief system. The World doesnt revolve around Bollywood's way of life u know.

 

[third eye]

Any person giving up his or her rights struggles but the Bengalis struggled in such a way and we put them down brutally. We should feel how it is like to be the victims so that we can sympathize with our countrymen-not just our ethnic group

Hmm.. getting Bengalis over into the Pak fold and then asking them to oppress those in what remains of Pakistan..is this how you want the oppressors to feel ?

That generation is no more so .. now ?

I do not hide or brush over problems. But no one came and asked my story and why my parents migrated from Lucknow nor did anyone ask about the people I knew who were killed by India. So the media is clearly focused on defending Hindutvas and gang.

Whom do you want to come & hear your sob story & why ?

Violence against shias is unfortunate but never has there been an apology let alone justice for those who lost their people to India's hindutvas. No one would even ask for independence had justice been quick and swift.

If Sunnis in Pak have not apologised to shias why do you expect an apology for those in India ?

There is a legitimate movement of Lucknowis seeking the dissolution of the Indian state. I know such people and head a group of such people. You do not understand the commonalities between Pakistanis and Lucknowites-we have family in each part, we share culture and most importantly we are part of the same ummah. Lucknowis and Pakistanis are one.

Legit .. & you are the head !!

God bless

 

[haviZsultan]

Hmm.. getting Bengalis over into the Pak fold and then asking them to oppress those in what remains of Pakistan..is this how you want the oppressors to feel ?

That generation is no more so .. now ?


Whom do you want to come & hear your sob story & why ?



If Sunnis in Pak have not apologised to shias why do you expect an apology for those in India ?


Legit .. & you are the head !!

God bless

The thing is when Jinnah made Pakistan Bengal was a part of it. It should again be a part. For me the biggest part is honoring Jinnah as well as other founders of Pakistan like Nurul Amin and others.

Hindutvas have had a hand in violence. The LeJ should apologize to shias not the sunnis. it does not work that way.