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complete nonsense, pathetic, justify ur claim for wut u just said, n respect other religions dont show to the rest of the world wut u r:crazy:

this is not BR where u can throw out all the racial, extremist comments abut Islam or any other religion, better watch wut u say:what:

It is True.

Narrated Abu Qilaba: "Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle . (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu'), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)"
 
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Heard about drinking camels urine authorised by none other than the Prophet?

Weird thing do happen!

But then stupid people do not understand the psychology behind all this!

and you are intelligent!

Is cow urine drinking directed only at the specific medical scenario? If not then please explain the benefits of the drinking? Does it glorifies the god cow.

Now with the available medicine and health care there is no need to drink the camel urine.

But the glorification is unlimited.
 
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Is cow urine drinking directed only at the specific medical scenario? If not then please explain the benefits of the drinking? Does it glorifies the god cow.

Now with the available medicine and health care there is no need to drink the camel urine.

But the glorification is unlimited.

Webby the main reason Mr Salim quoted that because he wanted to convey that every Religion is based on ridiculous faiths system developed long back . wether it is good or bad is based on the simple fact that this belief system fits with human ethics .

and there are many people who will show you medical papers to show the benefits of Cow urine

This is one -http://www.hkrl.com/cowurine.html

drinking cow urine is his personal faith or part of his belief system however ridiculous it seems to me .. and I dont have problem because it doesn't effect me in anyway .
 
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Logic,

The thing is camel urine isn't part of the religion in Islam. It was one of the totkas during that time to cure that certain disease. Cow urine and how it is used in India in a daily life is part of the Hinduism religion and culture of its people, and it has nothing to do with the medical cure of a certain disease. Rather it is encouraged on daily basis as part of the religion.

I for one have nothing against it, as long as someone is not trying to make me drink it.
 
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Logic,

The thing is camel urine isn't part of the religion in Islam. It was one of the totkas during that time to cure that certain disease. Cow urine and how it is used in India in a daily life is part of the Hinduism religion and culture of its people, and it has nothing to do with the medical cure of a certain disease. Rather it is encouraged on daily basis as part of the religion.

I for one have nothing against it, as long as someone is not trying to make me drink it.

I don't know about the rest of the Hindus here, but in my family atleast, there is no tradition of drinking cow urine.
I guess it depends on your caste, which part of India you come from etc. etc.

Also, I don't know anyone personally whose family has this belief.

Frankly, I had no idea people used to drink cow urine until I heard it on primetime news!!
And even the people on primetime news were surprised that this practice exists.

India is a big country and has a lot of people. Beliefs vary greatly from place to place, and from culture to culture. Sometimes people have beliefs that may seem strange to others, who don't hold those beliefs
 
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Is cow urine drinking directed only at the specific medical scenario? If not then please explain the benefits of the drinking? Does it glorifies the god cow.

Now with the available medicine and health care there is no need to drink the camel urine.

But the glorification is unlimited.

Is that your personal interpretation?

You are indulging in "Bida" if that is the case and you are not allowed to do that! You know what that makes you if you try to improve something which was already PERFECT?

I am not in the least concerned with these kind of stupid issues which belong to a long bygone era. But if you are going to raise such idiotic issues which no one in India is concerned with, may be you can also explain the science behind stoning women to death, chopping off limbs, killing barbers, not letting women be treated by male doctors even if they are left to die, blasting girl schools etc.

Are these also not required now that human society and science has made so much progress?
 
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Logic,

The thing is camel urine isn't part of the religion in Islam. It was one of the totkas during that time to cure that certain disease. Cow urine and how it is used in India in a daily life is part of the Hinduism religion and culture of its people, and it has nothing to do with the medical cure of a certain disease. Rather it is encouraged on daily basis as part of the religion.

I for one have nothing against it, as long as someone is not trying to make me drink it.

Isn't it mentioned in the Hadhith? Are Hadhith part of Islam or not? It was mentioned by your prophet himself and can not be considered as a mere social custom or Totaka. Are you saying that the prophet believed in Totakas?

And while you are obsessed with cow urine, I have not met a single person in my life who has anything to do with cow urine (and I have met thousands of Hindus). You don't know anything about either India or Hinduism and even your knowledge of what you should know seems rather limited!
 
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Even I have been skeptical about Hadiths.

They reflect 7th century mindset & most of the time contradict science.
 
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About the Prophet telling some Arabs to drink camel urine is correct.

This is from muhammadanism.com

I leave the Hadith and commentary to well versed knowledgeable people here.

Urine as Medicine

Sahih Bukhari

Narrated Anas:The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. When the news reached the Prophet he sent some people in their pursuit. When they were brought, he cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron. Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol. 7, Bk. 71, No. 590. (Also, see No. 589.)

Narrated Anas: Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophets ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die. Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol. 8, Bk. 82, No. 794.

Sahih Muslim

Anas reported: Eight men of the tribe of 'Ukl came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and swore allegiance to him on Islam, but found the climate of that land uncogenial to their health and thus they became sick, and they made complaint of that to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: Why don't you go to (the fold) of our camels along with our shepherd, and make use of their milk and urine. They said: Yes. They set out and drank their (camels') milk and urine and regained their health. They killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. This (news) reached Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and he sent them on their track and they were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died.

This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Ibn al-Sabbah with a slight variation of words. Sahih Muslim, Book 16, Number 4131 (Also, see 4130, 4132).

Of course, many Muslims find the idea of drinking camel's urine to be repulsive; and, as a result, they reject this hadith, even though it is Muttafaq 'Alaih. Others justify the hadith, and point out that horse urine is the source of conjugated equine estrogens (CEE) and available as Premarin®. It is an estrogen treatment for menopausal and premenopausal women. For them, it is reason to praise Muhammad whom, they claim, had miraculous foreknowledge of modern medicine. However, there is no specific evidence that those who were ill were menopausal women or that Muhammad suggested that camel urine would cure a woman who had a low level of estrogen.

Furthermore, those Muslims who think that Muhammad was given miraculous scientific knowledge only give lip service to this hadith. They would never put camel urine to their lips and drink it themselves. This shows that they don't really believe the so-called miracle in their hearts. If they did, they would be asking to drink camel's urine whenever they were ill. Since they neither believe nor follow Muhammad's advice in this hadith, their verbal praise of Muhammad's miraculous medical knowledge rings hollow and hypocritical.

Even more striking than the advice to drink camel's milk and urine is the horrific mutilation of the murderers. Since Muhammad commanded that their eyes be branded with a hot iron, and since their hand and feet were cut, tradition records that someone said, "I saw one of them licking the earth with his tongue till he died." When Muhammad commanded them to be mutilated, he did not allow the cuts on their hands and feet to be cauterized. He wanted them to die the most slow, painful, dry, and agonizing death possible. (See Sahih Al-Bukhari No. 589 of Vol 7.)

Yet, the Qur'an claims Muhammad's mission was only a mission of mercy for peoples.

And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) not but as a mercy for the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists). 21:107 [Al-Hilali & Khan's translation]

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ إِ لَّا رَحْمَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ ٢١ :١٠٧

Justice requires that a murderer must die, but the mind that proposed this vile and cruel mutilation was motivated by neither mercy nor justice. It was mind motivated by hateful revenge and thirsting for the pleasures of seeing them go through the agonies of a prolonged and cruel death.


Urine as Medicine

For all one knows, it is a medicine.

Cow's urine is not in Hindu religion. It is in Ayurveda or so I believe. Ayurveda is the Hindu Equivalent of Unnani medicine!

I only mentioned since I think one should know more of his own religion than sit in judgement without knowing much of his own religion! It also indicates that if others know of the religion, then those who rise to ridicule out of pique, should also know his own religion and not appear to be a know all of his religion!

And as I have said earlier, I do not subscribe to any religion. I look at religion as merely an interesting subject that is woven and background on merely Faith since none has seen God. Or have they?
 
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I perchance dropped into the thread, the post #1 appears to have come from a discussion from some other thread.

Any links?
 
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Thanks.

I was taken aback as to how come I have commented and there was nothing in context for the comment!!
 
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Good points made by Salim.

There is no use trying to portray other religions in bad light. There are good and not so good things and interpretations everywhere.

One who tries to judge others on this count usually ends up making a fool of himself!
 
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I have no idea about Urine as having a therapeutic value.

I have never used it.

But who knows?

If ancient people used it and it worked, then what is the big deal?

It is personal preference.

I try to avoid medicine so that when I am really sick, even the first dose works,

Many make think I am stupid, but then it works.
 
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