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THIS is the most stupid question...

Once she goes its not your business!
She can do whatever she wants not your business...You are neither her mahram nor her friend nor her witness so ALLAH wont question you...

The reason she is going abroad is because look how the people are reacting...YOU people are giving her a reason to seek asylum and win those awards! Had you people not behaved like crazy baboons she wouldnt have reason to believe her life was in danger meaning no ground to seek asylum! Now she has EVERY RIGHT TO cry for her safety and even preach how intolerant a society we are coz we proved it! We showed it...EVERY major media has reported how people with beards are equal to animals! We have pictures, videos of such animals! Cursing the people who were not involved/ cursing her/ cursing the judiciary/ cursing the country! Just showing what kind of animals she will be running away from to preach bad about Pakistan!

So if anything please blame yourself!

Be a man and take part of the blame for showing yourself as a threat so she can get asylum! Coz if you guys didnt behave like animals she would have NO GROUND for asylum seeking as her life wouldnt be in danger!
Unfortunately , majority of emotional educated class now questioning the literary level of a women who live in mud house, who worked12 hours a day in a farm , who don't know how to read and write. Is there any molvi asked her , Asia Bibi do you know who is Holy Prophet PBUH and what are his teaching ...... again its jahil vs jahil vs jahil vs jahil ... and how she qualify for any punishment, under given circumstances ..
 
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How will it make the law ineffective?? Elaborate please ...
All the cases will be registered on discretion of government and not on merit this is against rules of justice ...

Suppose if it is PPP government then will they register any case ? They are already against the law whereas on the contrary if MMA comes to government even a slightest of incident will be dealt with iron hand
 
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All the cases will be registered on discretion of government and not on merit this is against rules of justice ...

So you are saying/admitting that cases of blasphemy against religions other than Islam are not registered on merit ??
 
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No they are not ...

Don't you think that we should have same laws for all citizens of the state regardless of what religion they are ?

While insulting Islam or hurtig religious sentiments of Muslims is a very serious crime in Pakistan, insulting other religions is considered a minor offense. What do you suggest?
 
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Don't you think that we should have same laws for all citizens of the state regardless of what religion they are ?

While insulting Islam or religious sentiments of Muslims is a very serious crime in Pakistan, insulting other religions is considered a minor offense. What do you suggest?
It can't be the same ... as insulting other religion is not offence as per their own religions ...

It can be harsh punish but cant be as harsh as against islam ...

What you are proposing that anti semitisim and blasphemy should be equal in israel ... is this possible ?
 
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It can't be the same ... as insulting other religion is not offence as per their own religions ...

It can be harsh punish but cant be as harsh as against islam ...

What you are proposing that anti semitisim and blasphemy should be equal in israel ... is this possible ?

That, my friend, is not true. For example, while the Holy Qur'an does not prescribe any worldly punishment for blasphemy, Bible (old testament) prescribes death penalty for blasphemers...

As for Israel, Zionists are no role model to follow
 
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In my humble opinion, Khadim Hussain Rizvi & his supporters can best be described in Iqbal's following words:


3.GIF


It is a great pity that even though we pay a lot of lip service to Iqbal, we disregard what he really preached.

Whatever may be the crime of Asia Bibi; there can be absolutely no justification for bringing the country to a standstill. I would go even further, I don't think the people who support TLP have the welfare of Pakistan in their consideration.
 
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In my humble opinion, Khadim Hussain Rizvi & his supporters can best be described in Iqbal's following words:


3.GIF


It is a great pity that even though we pay a lot of lip service to Iqbal, we disregard what he really preached.

Whatever may be the crime of Asia Bibi; there can be absolutely no justification for bringing the country to a standstill. I would go even further, I don't think the people who support TLP have the welfare of Pakistan in their consideration.
The problem is that a lack of education and ignorance (both dependant and independent of each other) are breeding grounds for any extreme ideals; be it in Pakistan or the United States.

This isn’t an ill that can be fixed within 5 years and as Turkey demonstrates it can be raised even after progress.
 
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Bro actually i over simplified this assertion ... in actual we are not allowed to eat anything on which name of Allah is not taken at the time of slaughter ... so in case of meet from non.muslim it will become haram ...

There is no direct restriction but for eating with non muslim you have to be extra careful about halal therefore better to avoid it unless you are sure that everything is halal ...

Oh. You had really badly worded your comment. You had said "In our religion, Christians are not untouchable and we are allowed to drink and eat with them, and even for kuffar we are not allowed to drink and eat with them"

But it actually comes down to meat. A Christian chef may use non-halal meat, whereas a Hindu chef may use halal meat. It all depends from where they can procure it, nothing to do with religion. Also, does not apply to fish or vegetarian food.

And I am happy you have acknowledged you can eat and drink with your Hindu brothers. There is no religious restriction. I hope the average Pakistani knows and understands this, instead of blindly hating on the "other".
 
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Oh. You had really badly worded your comment. You had said "In our religion, Christians are not untouchable and we are allowed to drink and eat with them, and even for kuffar we are not allowed to drink and eat with them"

But it actually comes down to meat. A Christian chef may use non-halal meat, whereas a Hindu chef may use halal meat. It all depends from where they can procure it, nothing to do with religion. Also, does not apply to fish or vegetarian food.

And I am happy you have acknowledged you can eat and drink with your Hindu brothers. There is no religious restriction. I hope the average Pakistani knows and understands this, instead of blindly hating on the "other".
I agree that i worded it badly it was my mistake ... and you are right that a christian can eat haram meat and hindu can cook halal but chances that hindu cook halal food are remote as they have no concept of taking Allah's name before slaughtering any animal ...

That, my friend, is not true. For example, while the Holy Qur'an does not prescribe any worldly punishment for blasphemy, Bible (old testament) prescribes death penalty for blasphemers...

As for Israel, Zionists are no role model to follow
Can you show me method of offerring prayers prescribed in quran ?

Not all things are prescribed in quran ... for that we refer to quran plus sunnat
 
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Not all things are prescribed in quran ... for that we refer to quran plus sunnat

Well, killing all blasphemers regardless of what religion or gender they are is NOT established Sunnah. There is no Sahih Hadith which prescribes mandatory death penalty for all blasphemers. And that's why different schools of Islamic jurisprudence prescribe different punishments for blasphemy. Blasphemy committed by Non Muslims has always been considered a pardonable offense by the overwhelming majority of ulema.

295 - C of Pakistan Penal Code mandates death penalty for all blasphemers regardless of what religion or gender they are .... This is against the Hanafi, Shaafi, Maliki and Jafari jurisprudences ... Only Hanbali jurisprudence, followed by no more than 2% of Muslims, holds similar views regarding Blasphemy punishment. But even the Saudis have pardoned blasphemers (Sabri Bogday for example)




Hanafi – view blasphemy as synonymous with apostasy, and therefore, accepts the repentance
of apostates. Those who refuse to repent, their punishment is death if the blasphemer is a Muslim man, and if the blasphemer is a woman, she must be imprisoned with coercion(beating) till she repents and returns to Islam.3 If a non‐Muslim commits blasphemy, his punishment must be a tazir (discretionary, can be death, arrest, caning, etc).4,5


Maliki – view blasphemy as an offense distinct from, and more severe than apostasy.Death is mandatory in cases of blasphemy for Muslim men, and repentance is not accepted. For women, death is not the punishment suggested, but she is arrested and punished till she repents and returns to Islam or dies in custody.6 A non‐Muslim who commits blasphemy against Islam must be punished; however, the blasphemer can escape punishment by converting and becoming a devout Muslim.7


Hanbali – view blasphemy as an offense distinct from, and more severe than apostasy. Death is mandatory in cases of blasphemy, for both Muslim men and women, and repentance is not accepted.8


Shafi’i – recognizes blasphemy as a separate offense from apostasy, but accepts the repentance of blasphemers. If the blasphemer does not repent, the punishment is death.9,10


Ja'fari (Shia) – views blasphemy against Islam, the Prophet, or any of the Imams, to bep unishable with death, if the blasphemer is a Muslim.11 In case the blasphemer is a non‐Muslim, he is given a chance to convert to Islam, or else killed.12


2 Sahih al‐Bukhari, 3:45:687, Sahih al‐Bukhari, 5:59:369

3 Abu al‐Layth al‐Samarqandi (983), Mukhtalaf al‐Riwayah, vol. 3, pp. 1298–1299

4 Ahmad ibn Muhammad al‐Tahawi (933), Mukhtasar Ikhtilaf al‐Ulama, vol. 3, p. 504

5 P Smith (2003), Speak No Evil: Apostasy, Blasphemy and Heresy in Malaysian Syariah Law, UC Davis Journal Int'l Law & Policy, 10, pp. 357‐373;

6 D Jordan (2003), Dark Ages of Islam: Ijtihad, Apostasy and Human Rights in Contemporary Jurisprudence, The.Wash. And Lee Race and Ethnic Anc. Law Journal, Vol 9, p 55‐74

7 Carl Ernst (2005), "Blasphemy: Islamic Concept", Encyclopedia of Religion (Editor: Lindsay Jones), Vol 2,Macmillan Reference, ISBN 0‐02‐865735‐7

8 Abdullah Saeed and Hassan Saeed (2004), Freedom of Religion, Apostasy and Islam, Ashgate Publishing, ISBN978‐0754630838

9 L Wiederhold L, Blasphemy against the Prophet Muhammad and his companions (sabb al‐rasul, sabb al‐sahabah): The introduction of the topic into Shafi'i legal literature, Jrnl of Sem Studies, Oxford University Press, 42(1), pp.39‐70

10 P Smith (2003), Speak No Evil: Apostasy, Blasphemy and Heresy in Malaysian Syariah Law, UC Davis Journal Int'lL aw & Policy, 10, pp. 357‐373

11 Ayatullah Abu al‐Qasim al‐Khoei (1992), Minhaj al‐Salihin, vol. 2, pp. 43‐45

12 Ali ibn al‐Hussein al‐Murtada (1044), Al‐Intisar, pp. 480‐481
 

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Well, killing all blasphemers regardless of what religion or gender they are is NOT established Sunnah. There is no Sahih Hadith which prescribes mandatory death penalty for all blasphemers. And that's why different schools of Islamic jurisprudence prescribe different punishments for blasphemy. Blasphemy committed by Non Muslims has always been considered a pardonable offense by the overwhelming majority of ulema.

295 - C of Pakistan Penal Code mandates death penalty for all blasphemers regardless of what religion or gender they are .... This is against the Hanafi, Shaafi, Maliki and Jafari jurisprudences ... Only Hanbali jurisprudence, followed by no more than 2% of Muslims, holds similar views regarding Blasphemy punishment. But even the Saudis have pardoned blasphemers (Sabri Bogday for example)




Hanafi – view blasphemy as synonymous with apostasy, and therefore, accepts the repentance
of apostates. Those who refuse to repent, their punishment is death if the blasphemer is a Muslim man, and if the blasphemer is a woman, she must be imprisoned with coercion(beating) till she repents and returns to Islam.3 If a non‐Muslim commits blasphemy, his punishment must be a tazir (discretionary, can be death, arrest, caning, etc).4,5


Maliki – view blasphemy as an offense distinct from, and more severe than apostasy.Death is mandatory in cases of blasphemy for Muslim men, and repentance is not accepted. For women, death is not the punishment suggested, but she is arrested and punished till she repents and returns to Islam or dies in custody.6 A non‐Muslim who commits blasphemy against Islam must be punished; however, the blasphemer can escape punishment by converting and becoming a devout Muslim.7


Hanbali – view blasphemy as an offense distinct from, and more severe than apostasy. Death is mandatory in cases of blasphemy, for both Muslim men and women, and repentance is not accepted.8


Shafi’i – recognizes blasphemy as a separate offense from apostasy, but accepts the repentance of blasphemers. If the blasphemer does not repent, the punishment is death.9,10


Ja'fari (Shia) – views blasphemy against Islam, the Prophet, or any of the Imams, to bep unishable with death, if the blasphemer is a Muslim.11 In case the blasphemer is a non‐Muslim, he is given a chance to convert to Islam, or else killed.12


2 Sahih al‐Bukhari, 3:45:687, Sahih al‐Bukhari, 5:59:369

3 Abu al‐Layth al‐Samarqandi (983), Mukhtalaf al‐Riwayah, vol. 3, pp. 1298–1299

4 Ahmad ibn Muhammad al‐Tahawi (933), Mukhtasar Ikhtilaf al‐Ulama, vol. 3, p. 504

5 P Smith (2003), Speak No Evil: Apostasy, Blasphemy and Heresy in Malaysian Syariah Law, UC Davis Journal Int'l Law & Policy, 10, pp. 357‐373;

6 D Jordan (2003), Dark Ages of Islam: Ijtihad, Apostasy and Human Rights in Contemporary Jurisprudence, The.Wash. And Lee Race and Ethnic Anc. Law Journal, Vol 9, p 55‐74

7 Carl Ernst (2005), "Blasphemy: Islamic Concept", Encyclopedia of Religion (Editor: Lindsay Jones), Vol 2,Macmillan Reference, ISBN 0‐02‐865735‐7

8 Abdullah Saeed and Hassan Saeed (2004), Freedom of Religion, Apostasy and Islam, Ashgate Publishing, ISBN978‐0754630838

9 L Wiederhold L, Blasphemy against the Prophet Muhammad and his companions (sabb al‐rasul, sabb al‐sahabah): The introduction of the topic into Shafi'i legal literature, Jrnl of Sem Studies, Oxford University Press, 42(1), pp.39‐70

10 P Smith (2003), Speak No Evil: Apostasy, Blasphemy and Heresy in Malaysian Syariah Law, UC Davis Journal Int'lL aw & Policy, 10, pp. 357‐373

11 Ayatullah Abu al‐Qasim al‐Khoei (1992), Minhaj al‐Salihin, vol. 2, pp. 43‐45

12 Ali ibn al‐Hussein al‐Murtada (1044), Al‐Intisar, pp. 480‐481

You may be right i have no authority over the subject ...
 
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Whose fault is that?

It is the fault of people for being HYPER SENSITIVE to everything! If Muslims can drink, ministers not know the kalima or surah Ikhlas and read it wrongly on camera and no one gets offended then why get offended when a Non Muslim (who wont even be judged as Muslims) does wrong?

She is ignorant about Prophet, it is not her prophet so like the Jewish woman who had no respect for the prophet threw trash on our prophet but did the prophet ask for her to go to jail? Is throwing trash on the prophet...The flesh and blood a bigger crime or saying something bad about the prophet? But did prophet mind? No he still smiled!

Because ignorant and lacking tolerant people gave these people way out of Pakistan, a way to seek asylum, why wouldnt they? I mean every Pakistani would sit in a container to go abroad! These people found an easier and legal opportunity!

We gave her the opportunity to be famous and now a whole book to write ill about Pakistan and Islam and Pakistanis!

THIS all is our intolerance biting us! IF we dont fix it, it will come back over and over and over!

Blasphemy laws make no sense ESP when Prophet was beaten, thrown trash at, mocked, called crazy and much worse - he did NOTHING of this sort! He didnt tell his supporters to burn camels, houses or call others bad names or curse others! He was a peaceful person ...IF we are his followers we should be peaceful if we cant we are NOT HIS FOLLOWERS!
Pakistanis are just like their British Indian, Sikh Confederacy Indian, Durani and Mughal Empire Indian forebears - reactionaries....and the enemies will naturally exploit this.
 
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