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Qatar Deal Helps France Set Export Record

By Pierre Tran, Defense News4:43 p.m. EST February 25, 2016
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Originally published May 3, 2015; metadata updated Feb. 25, 2016
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French President François Hollande, left, arrives for an official dinner with the Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, on June 23 in Paris. Al-Thani was visiting France to discuss the sale of Rafale fighter planes to Qatar.(Photo: Alain Jocard/Getty)


PARIS — Qatar's planned signing of €6.3 billion (US $7.1 billion) of contracts for the Rafale fighter jet and missiles boosts French arms exports to more than €15 billion, the highest value France has ever reached in a single year, defense officials said.

President François Hollande is due to attend the May 4 signing for 24 fighters by Dassault Aviation and missile maker MBDA in Doha, signaling high-level ties.

"At the invitation of Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir of Qatar, the president of the Republic will go to Doha on May 4 to attend the signing of contracts between Dassault Aviation and MBDA, and Qatar, as well as the intergovernmental agreement which sets the framework for cooperation between our two countries," the president's Elysée office said in a statement.

The Qatari deal, the third in as many months, follows Egypt and India after fallow years for the twin-engine fighter.

Dassault Chief Executive Eric Trappier said on BFM TV there are options for 12 more Rafales for the Qatar Air Force, Reuters reported on April 30.

The deal includes MBDA Mica air-to-air and Meteor long-range air-to-air missiles, Scalp cruise missiles, and Sagem's armement air-sol modulaire, a powered smart bomb, defense officials said.
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French Air Force officers are in talks to train 36 pilots as the Qatari service has asked for that direct link and the training costs are under discussion between the two services, the officials said. Some 100 Qatari mechanics will maintain the fighter, which is a major technological upgrade from the present fleet of 12 Mirage 2000-5s.

France will deliver six twin-seat,18 single-seat versions.

"This confirms the closeness of diplomatic and economic relations between France and Qatar," Foreign Minister Lauren Fabius said in a statement.

Qatar was originally looking for up some 70 fast jets. The French order for 24 aircraft, plus a likely handful of options, has revived speculation among analysts and others that the Gulf state might be considering a split buy with a US fast jet maker.

Such a move would perpetuate the current situation where Qatar has a fleet mix of French and US jets.

Boeing has previously been touted as one of the bidders with the F-15.

A spokesman for the US company said "We've seen the reports from France – and while we have not received any official confirmation, we continue to have a dialogue with many customers in the region. It's important to note that the Rafale and F-15 are different aircraft that offer vastly different capabilities."

Qatar has bought little French equipment over the past 30 years and is in talks for other potential orders, the officials said.

The Qatar contract will push arms exports to more than €15 billion this year, the highest figure for France, an official said. That would be the first time exports exceed annual domestic equipment orders. The Indian deal for 36 Rafales has yet to be sealed, so that figure has been excluded.

France is due to report 2014 arms exports worth €8.3 billion, after €6.87 billion in the previous year. A base figure for French annual exports is around €4 billion.

A total of 84 Rafales have been sold on the foreign market so far, with further prospects seen. The United Arab Emirates has renewed talks, an Arabian Gulf official source has told Defense News. Malaysia is reported to be interested in ordering 12 Rafales. The French jet faces competition from Boeing, Eurofighter and Saab for a deal which Malaysia is unlikely to decide on until 2017. Dassault opened an office in Brussels last year as Belgium is looking for a replacement for the F-16.

The Qatar deal shows how Dassault has unlocked the world market as countries look to the French aircraft maker to diversify their suppliers, said Jean-Claude Allard, senior fellow at think tank Institut des Relations Internationales et Stratégiques.

"There is a war in the Middle East, and Qatar is joining ranks with other countries in relying on airpower as part of their strategy," he said.

There is a sense of urgency as countries seek a fast delivery and that approach sidelines the lengthy negotiations for offset and local production, he said.

Forces of the fundamentalist Islamic State are fighting in Iraq, Syria and Yemen, and the gulf allies have attacked using airstrikes.

The talks with Qatar lasted some three years, with Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian meeting al-Thani on Feb. 10, 2013, when the then-crown prince raised the subject of the Rafale for the first time.

That meeting launched technical talks, and on Feb. 24, 2014, al-Thani, who became the emir, said, "My father promised to buy this plane. I will buy it," a defense official said.

On Jan. 15, al-Thani met French air chief Gen. Denis Mercier, head of the procurement office Laurent Collet-Billon, and Le Drian in Doha and confirmed the deal was "imminent," the official said. The Qatar leader told Le Drian on April 21 that the final agreement was in place.

Over the three years, Le Drian flew 10 times to Doha, five times to India and twice to Egypt.

Hollande and al-Thani talked on April 29 and the latter confirmed Qatar will acquire 24 Rafales, the president's office said.

France and Qatar signed a defense cooperation agreement in 1994, and Paris refreshed military relations by sending hundreds of troops and the Véhicule Blindé de Combat d'Infanterie fighting vehicle to the bilateral exercise Gulf Falcon 2013.

Qatar in March 2014 announced the order for two Airbus A330 multirole tanker transport aircraft and also exclusive talks for Army and Navy versions of the NH90 helicopter.

Qatar flies the single-engine Mirage 2000-5 bought in the 1980, and previously bought the Mirage F1 and Alpha jet trainer.

In February, Egypt signed a deal for €5.2 billion of weapons comprising 24 Rafales, a DCNS multimission frigate and missiles, while India announced in April a planned buy of 36 Rafales.
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David Cameron observes work on a Eurofighter Typhoon during a visit to BAE Systems in Warton, Lancashire. Photograph: Martin Rickett/PA

The export success for Rafale has left the French jet's main European rival, the Eurofighter Typhoon, trying to repair the damage to its credibility.

"We note the announcement today regarding Qatar's decision to purchase [Dassault's Rafale] combat aircraft. We believe BAE Systems submitted an attractive and competitive proposal to supply Eurofighter Typhoon," a British government spokesman said.

British industry executives said they always reckoned the French would be tough to unseat in Qatar, given the enduring relationship between the air forces of the two nations.

BAE is leading the Typhoon effort for the Eurofighter partners in much of the Middle East, although Euro-fighter consortium is also heading the drive to secure a Kuwaiti requirement for a new jet fighter.

The best chance the Typhoon has of regaining lost ground in the export race is a top up of a 72-aircraft purchase by Saudi Arabia.Those aircraft are being delivered by BAE and one industry executive, who asked not to be named, said it was possible that progress on a second order might come toward the end of this year. That could lead to an order from the Saudi close ally, Bahrain, which is looking for a squadron of fast jets, he said. Recently, BAE also began final assembly on Omani Typhoon at its Warton site in Lancashire with the aircraft the first of 12 on order for the Royal Air Force of Oman.

Eurofighter is a consortium made up of Airbus Defence and Space, BAE and Finmeccanica.

Andrew Chuter in London contributed to this report.

Qatar Deal Helps France Set Export Record



France seems to be taking the lead over Britain in the region. That's alot of cash right there. :D@Blue Marlin ,@Taygibay , @flamer84 ,@Schutz ,@Steve781 , @Vauban .
 
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Qatar Deal Helps France Set Export Record

By Pierre Tran, Defense News4:43 p.m. EST February 25, 2016
TWEET 76LINKEDINCOMMENTEMAILMORE
Originally published May 3, 2015; metadata updated Feb. 25, 2016
635660099137208000-451108718.jpg

French President François Hollande, left, arrives for an official dinner with the Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, on June 23 in Paris. Al-Thani was visiting France to discuss the sale of Rafale fighter planes to Qatar.(Photo: Alain Jocard/Getty)


PARIS — Qatar's planned signing of €6.3 billion (US $7.1 billion) of contracts for the Rafale fighter jet and missiles boosts French arms exports to more than €15 billion, the highest value France has ever reached in a single year, defense officials said.

President François Hollande is due to attend the May 4 signing for 24 fighters by Dassault Aviation and missile maker MBDA in Doha, signaling high-level ties.

"At the invitation of Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir of Qatar, the president of the Republic will go to Doha on May 4 to attend the signing of contracts between Dassault Aviation and MBDA, and Qatar, as well as the intergovernmental agreement which sets the framework for cooperation between our two countries," the president's Elysée office said in a statement.

The Qatari deal, the third in as many months, follows Egypt and India after fallow years for the twin-engine fighter.

Dassault Chief Executive Eric Trappier said on BFM TV there are options for 12 more Rafales for the Qatar Air Force, Reuters reported on April 30.

The deal includes MBDA Mica air-to-air and Meteor long-range air-to-air missiles, Scalp cruise missiles, and Sagem's armement air-sol modulaire, a powered smart bomb, defense officials said.
rafale_fighter_jet.jpg

French Air Force officers are in talks to train 36 pilots as the Qatari service has asked for that direct link and the training costs are under discussion between the two services, the officials said. Some 100 Qatari mechanics will maintain the fighter, which is a major technological upgrade from the present fleet of 12 Mirage 2000-5s.

France will deliver six twin-seat,18 single-seat versions.

"This confirms the closeness of diplomatic and economic relations between France and Qatar," Foreign Minister Lauren Fabius said in a statement.

Qatar was originally looking for up some 70 fast jets. The French order for 24 aircraft, plus a likely handful of options, has revived speculation among analysts and others that the Gulf state might be considering a split buy with a US fast jet maker.

Such a move would perpetuate the current situation where Qatar has a fleet mix of French and US jets.

Boeing has previously been touted as one of the bidders with the F-15.

A spokesman for the US company said "We've seen the reports from France – and while we have not received any official confirmation, we continue to have a dialogue with many customers in the region. It's important to note that the Rafale and F-15 are different aircraft that offer vastly different capabilities."

Qatar has bought little French equipment over the past 30 years and is in talks for other potential orders, the officials said.

The Qatar contract will push arms exports to more than €15 billion this year, the highest figure for France, an official said. That would be the first time exports exceed annual domestic equipment orders. The Indian deal for 36 Rafales has yet to be sealed, so that figure has been excluded.

France is due to report 2014 arms exports worth €8.3 billion, after €6.87 billion in the previous year. A base figure for French annual exports is around €4 billion.

A total of 84 Rafales have been sold on the foreign market so far, with further prospects seen. The United Arab Emirates has renewed talks, an Arabian Gulf official source has told Defense News. Malaysia is reported to be interested in ordering 12 Rafales. The French jet faces competition from Boeing, Eurofighter and Saab for a deal which Malaysia is unlikely to decide on until 2017. Dassault opened an office in Brussels last year as Belgium is looking for a replacement for the F-16.

The Qatar deal shows how Dassault has unlocked the world market as countries look to the French aircraft maker to diversify their suppliers, said Jean-Claude Allard, senior fellow at think tank Institut des Relations Internationales et Stratégiques.

"There is a war in the Middle East, and Qatar is joining ranks with other countries in relying on airpower as part of their strategy," he said.

There is a sense of urgency as countries seek a fast delivery and that approach sidelines the lengthy negotiations for offset and local production, he said.

Forces of the fundamentalist Islamic State are fighting in Iraq, Syria and Yemen, and the gulf allies have attacked using airstrikes.

The talks with Qatar lasted some three years, with Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian meeting al-Thani on Feb. 10, 2013, when the then-crown prince raised the subject of the Rafale for the first time.

That meeting launched technical talks, and on Feb. 24, 2014, al-Thani, who became the emir, said, "My father promised to buy this plane. I will buy it," a defense official said.

On Jan. 15, al-Thani met French air chief Gen. Denis Mercier, head of the procurement office Laurent Collet-Billon, and Le Drian in Doha and confirmed the deal was "imminent," the official said. The Qatar leader told Le Drian on April 21 that the final agreement was in place.

Over the three years, Le Drian flew 10 times to Doha, five times to India and twice to Egypt.

Hollande and al-Thani talked on April 29 and the latter confirmed Qatar will acquire 24 Rafales, the president's office said.

France and Qatar signed a defense cooperation agreement in 1994, and Paris refreshed military relations by sending hundreds of troops and the Véhicule Blindé de Combat d'Infanterie fighting vehicle to the bilateral exercise Gulf Falcon 2013.

Qatar in March 2014 announced the order for two Airbus A330 multirole tanker transport aircraft and also exclusive talks for Army and Navy versions of the NH90 helicopter.

Qatar flies the single-engine Mirage 2000-5 bought in the 1980, and previously bought the Mirage F1 and Alpha jet trainer.

In February, Egypt signed a deal for €5.2 billion of weapons comprising 24 Rafales, a DCNS multimission frigate and missiles, while India announced in April a planned buy of 36 Rafales.
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David Cameron observes work on a Eurofighter Typhoon during a visit to BAE Systems in Warton, Lancashire. Photograph: Martin Rickett/PA

The export success for Rafale has left the French jet's main European rival, the Eurofighter Typhoon, trying to repair the damage to its credibility.

"We note the announcement today regarding Qatar's decision to purchase [Dassault's Rafale] combat aircraft. We believe BAE Systems submitted an attractive and competitive proposal to supply Eurofighter Typhoon," a British government spokesman said.

British industry executives said they always reckoned the French would be tough to unseat in Qatar, given the enduring relationship between the air forces of the two nations.

BAE is leading the Typhoon effort for the Eurofighter partners in much of the Middle East, although Euro-fighter consortium is also heading the drive to secure a Kuwaiti requirement for a new jet fighter.

The best chance the Typhoon has of regaining lost ground in the export race is a top up of a 72-aircraft purchase by Saudi Arabia.Those aircraft are being delivered by BAE and one industry executive, who asked not to be named, said it was possible that progress on a second order might come toward the end of this year. That could lead to an order from the Saudi close ally, Bahrain, which is looking for a squadron of fast jets, he said. Recently, BAE also began final assembly on Omani Typhoon at its Warton site in Lancashire with the aircraft the first of 12 on order for the Royal Air Force of Oman.

Eurofighter is a consortium made up of Airbus Defence and Space, BAE and Finmeccanica.

Andrew Chuter in London contributed to this report.

Qatar Deal Helps France Set Export Record



France seems to be taking the lead over Britain in the region. That's alot of cash right there. :D@Blue Marlin ,@Taygibay , @flamer84 ,@Schutz ,@Steve781 , @Vauban .

Thanks to the great work of Le Drian team for this success,we hope that this year will be even better. @Taygibay
As a result of this,nearly 40.000 jobs could be created in the military industry by 2018!
 
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Thanks to the great work of Le Drian team for this success
Le Drian is an idiot; the Rafale is just so much better than the rest! :dance3:

JK, I'm a huge fan of the guy. :enjoy:


David Cameron observes work on a Eurofighter Typhoon during a visit to BAE Systems in Warton, Lancashire. Photograph: Martin Rickett/PA

Now, now, if the picture is to be believed, Cameron ( and the others ) are looking in the wrong direction!
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The Typhie is right behind them? Unless looking away is called work which would be an explanation for
the slow speed of PxEs upgrades?
Then again, it ain't as if PMs elsewhere were much better. Maybe the people of Earth should get a deal for a
collective visit for all politicos to a serious optometrist for a class A eye exam to correct their vision problem ...
:hitwall:

OK, enough with the wry humour, GN guys, Tay.
 
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Le Drian is an idiot; the Rafale is just so much better than the rest! :dance3:

JK, I'm a huge fan of the guy. :enjoy:

Lol Rafale is not better than the Typhoon. :D Each has its own strength, Only that the rafale is more competitive price wise than the Typhoon , both aircraft have superiority in certain weapons categories over each other, so either could be a better choice, depending on situation. Plus even today Typhoon still has more export orders/in service with more foreign countries than the Rafale.:P
 
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Honestly after that MMRCA competition in India ,Rafales popularity is skyrocketed .:D
 
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Honestly after that MMRCA competition in India ,Rafales popularity is skyrocketed .:D

But India still hasnt finalised its deal, while Egypt who signed a contract for the Rafale way after India has already receive its first fighter jets, Qatar will be receiving theirs soon as well. START FIRST FINISH LAST? :(
 
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But India still hasnt finalised its deal, while Egypt who signed a contract for Rafale way after nIndia has already received its jets, Qatar will be receiving theirs soon as well. START FIRST FINISH LAST? :(

We are democracy my friend .We have to answer those 125 crore people that elected this GoI .Nor we are a rich oil supported nation.
But when we signed a deal it would be a deal itself .Once we signed this Rafale deal ,you can see following orders after that.
 
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You missed the JK part there, Mikey!

As for weapons, you qualified Scalp last year, 4 years after we shot them in Lybia.
I'll give you Brimstone and HCMS but you'll have to give me AASM and OH! yes,
when will you get an AESA exactly? o_O :p:

But this is not the right thread for that convo.
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Tay.
 
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You missed the JK part there, Mikey!

As for weapons, you qualified Scalp last year, 4 years after we shot them in Lybia.
I'll give you Brimstone and HCMS but you'll have to give me AASM and OH! yes,
when will you get an AESA exactly? o_O :p:

But this is not the right thread for that convo.
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nahhhhh........i know you were JK bro. I do know France and Britain are very close allies, sometimes we do compete on several issues/deals globally. However, that doesn't change the fact that we are each other closest ally.
Afterall, if things were bad, would our two countries have decided to share nuclear weapons test facilities and computers? Hardly.:agree:
If relations were still mixed, mercurial, would our two air forces have managed to find a very stable and solid relationship on the Storm Shadow/SCALP EG cruise missile? No.
And equally, we have an air transport/tanking liaison planning cell that has worked more or less seamlessly at High Wycombe.:agree:
Our navies, too, have also managed to shelve or work out differences on anti-ship missiles to agree to proceed with the FASGW/ANL missile, and look set to continue this relationship on a heavy AShM. On top of this, the moves towards the creation of a Combined Joint Task Force (which went operational recently) have been given on both sides of the Channel the single highest priority as regards training and resources.:enjoy:
All these, although seemingly unsexy, is a major move. Shows the level of trust that exist between both countries. Bravo.:cheers:
 
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Lol Rafale is not better than the Typhoon. :D Each has its own strength, Only that the rafale is more competitive price wise than the Typhoon , both aircraft have superiority in certain weapons categories over each other, so either could be a better choice, depending on situation. Plus even today Typhoon still has more export orders/in service with more foreign countries than the Rafale.:P

correct, both of these fighters were successful for the required number of MMRCA trials in India but the rafale bid was lower and IAF had nice reputation for french fighters because of M2K so Rafale won,
but most probably IAF wont get any of these fighters cause of cost factor and chinese progressing rapidly with stealth tech., IAF might buy get T-50 in 5-10 years hopefully.
 
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meh the rafale is a good bird gotta admit it. but i prefer the typhoon, sorry tay and vaubhan i have my own opinion.

oman is getting the frst of the typhoons next year, and i think kuwait has signed for 28 of them now. in the race for who exported more, we win, but the french policy in the middle east is good for defence contractors. we were same during the iraq war with blair and brown. howelse do you think the saudis purchased the typhoons and the hawks? now we are being a bit soft there and for some reason we are still supplying alot of weapons there. hopefully they will buy some of the newer tranch 3b's as for the uae who knows, but the french may have it in the bag.
 
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meh the rafale is a good bird gotta admit it. but i prefer the typhoon, sorry tay and vaubhan i have my own opinion.

oman is getting the frst of the typhoons next year, and i think kuwait has signed for 28 of them now. in the race for who exported more, we win, but the french policy in the middle east is good for defence contractors. we were same during the iraq war with blair and brown. howelse do you think the saudis purchased the typhoons and the hawks? now we are being a bit soft there and for some reason we are still supplying alot of weapons there. hopefully they will buy some of the newer tranch 3b's as for the uae who knows, but the french may have it in the bag.

@mike2000 is back I hope the human rights lobbies get even stronger day by day in UK,and make the UK change its policies in the Middle East and tell how it is bad to sell weapons to those Arabs..
... This benefits us A LOT. :D :enjoy:
 
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@mike2000 is back I hope the human rights lobbies get even stronger day by day in UK,and make the UK change its policies in the Middle East and tell how it is bad to sell weapons to those Arabs..
... This benefits us A LOT. :D :enjoy:
its you guy's doing this. im sending the lefties as well as corbyn their leader to france. im sure you can make room for them. by the time he's finished with you, the word war will be banned and france will be a weapon free country where, cars will be taxed by the mile and bikes will promoted as good transport and a healthy activity. heck airbus will have to build peddle powered planes. ohh yeah car's will be taxed because you will be stone dead broke and cant afford to import oil.
:enjoy:
@mike2000 is back you find corbyn and his crew. i will get tickets for the eurostar, then we meet up and we bundel them in the van and drive them in the eurostar and leave the van there, and when they get on the other side the frenchys will get a nasty suprise. typhoons will be going to the uae pronto.
:partay:
 
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