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Qatar's Rafale fighter Jet Deal Helps France Set Export Record

its you guy's doing this. im sending the lefties as well as corbyn their leader to france. im sure you can make room for them. by the time he's finished with you, the word war will be banned and france will be a weapon free country where, cars will be taxed by the mile and bikes will promoted as good transport and a healthy activity. heck airbus will have to bult peddle powered planes. ohh yeah car's will be taxed because you will be stone dead broke and cant afford to import oil.
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@mike2000 is back you find corbyn and his crew. i will get tickets for the eurostar, then we meet up and we bundel them in the van and drive them in the eurostar and leave the van there, and when they get on the other side the frenchys will get a nasty suprise. typhoons will be going to the uae pronto.
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After learning about Corbyn,I think now I start to trust @mike2000 is back 's friends conspiracy theories about Corbyn being a Conservative agent infiltrating the Labour party to destroy it. :lol:
If he's not a conservative agent,then that's really worrying...
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You still think that our government is from left ? They literally destroyed what's left of "left". :sick:
 
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@mike2000 is back I hope the human rights lobbies get even stronger day by day in UK,and make the UK change its policies in the Middle East and tell how it is bad to sell weapons to those Arabs..
... This benefits us A LOT. :D :enjoy:
LOL True . You know or 'human right groups' here are farrrrr more notorious than those of le pays de droit de l'homme.:cheesy: They act as if live in another planet, thinking only British arms cause mayhem around the world, while other countries only exports sunflower arms which spreads love and peace. lol It's a very weird logic to be honest. Something i'm still trying to understand. Granted our defence companies are secound only to the U.S in weapons sales globally and footprint, however this doesnt means we should be unfairly targeted for any arms sale we make.Never mind the self proclaimed world savior from 'western Imperialism' i.e Russia is at the forefront of propagating and encouraging such propaganda, while hiding/concealing its own large amount of weapon sales. They are good at popaganda as well though, since many naive poor people in the developing/underdeveloped would seem to believe them . lol

Britain’s sale of arms to Saudi Arabia violates international law – lawyers
Published time: 11 Jan, 2016 14:18
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A house is pictured after it was destroyed by a Saudi-led air strike in Yemen's capital Sanaa January 8, 2016. © Khaled Abdullah / Reuters

The British government has been accused of violating international law by enabling the export of British-made arms to Saudi Arabia, which may have been used to kill civilians.
In the face of mounting evidence that Saudi forces are breaching international law in Yemen, law firm Leigh Day has challenged the government’s export of missiles and other arms to the Gulf state.

A letter issued by the firm to the government on Sunday highlights global organizations that have branded Saudi airstrikes in Yemen illegal. Among these are the European Parliament (EP) and an array of prominent human rights groups that have been monitoring Saudi Arabia’s attacks on Yemen.

Leigh Day’s 19-page letter, which was sent to the government on behalf of Campaign Against the Arms Trade (CAAT), condemns the targeting of civilians and non-combatants in Yemen, as well as the targeting of facilities vital for sustaining basic humanitarian needs. It also criticizes the disproportionate number of civilian casualties in Yemen and an overall failure to ensure unnecessary harm to civilians is avoided.

The letter says Saudi Arabia’s airstrikes have destroyed culturally significant property in Yemen, and condemns a Saudi naval blockade, which is halting the flow of essential food and medicine into the crisis-ridden state.

Despite the gravity of these allegations, the British government has refused to suspend military licenses governing arms’ exports to the Gulf state. It has also failed to call for an inquiry into whether Saudi Arabia has violated international law.

Leigh Day called on the government to confirm whether or not it accepts there is concrete evidence that Saudi Arabia’s conduct in Yemen has breached international law. It also urged the government to verify if Secretary of State for Business, Innovation & Skills (BIS) Sajid Javid will suspend Britain’s sale of arms to Saudi Arabia until a full review of their legality is carried out.

Leigh Day also urged Javid not to authorize further export licenses for Saudi Arabia until the inquiry is completed.

The law firm asked for a full response to its letter within two weeks. Failure to do this would spark legal proceedings against the government, forcing it to explain in the high court what steps it has undertaken to ensure British arms are not being used in violation of international law.

A BIS spokesperson confirmed the department’s receipt of the letter, but told the Guardian it would not comment on the matter because of “ongoing legal action.”

Leigh Day human rights lawyer Rosa Curling said the government has a legal duty to ensure arms and technological equipment exported from Britain are used in accordance with international law.

“Given the widespread and credible evidence that the Saudi authorities are breaching their international obligations in Yemen, we can see no credible basis upon which the UK government can lawfully continue to export arms to them,” she said.

“We hope our client’s letter will cause the government to reconsider its position and suspend all licenses with immediate effect pending a proper investigation into the issue.”

Andrew Smith of Campaign Against the Arms Trade (CAAT) warns that British weapons are central to the military campaign that has “killed thousands of people, destroyed vital infrastructure and inflamed tensions in the region.”

“The UK has been complicit in the destruction by continuing to support airstrikes and provide arms, despite strong and increasing evidence that war crimes are being committed,” he said.

“These arms sales should never have been approved in the first place. The Saudi regime has an appalling human rights record and always has done.”

Leigh Day’s legal maneuver highlights Britain’s lucrative arms trade with Saudi Arabia. Almost £6 billion worth of British arms have been licensed to the Gulf state since Prime Minister David Cameron took office in 2010.

There was pressure to suspend the UK’s military exports to Saudi Arabia in July 2015, but the government flatly refused. Foreign Office minister Tobias Ellwood told parliament at the time the government had seen no credible evidence indicating the Saudi-led coalition had acted illegally.

By contrast, Amnesty International warned of the coalition’s disgraceful disregard for civilian lives. The UN also expressed similar concern.

Britain’s sale of arms to Saudi Arabia violates international law – lawyers — RT UK
 
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After learning about Corbyn,I think now I start to trust @mike2000 is back 's friends conspiracy theories about Corbyn being a conservative agent infiltrating the Labour party to destroy it. :lol:
If he's not a conservative agent,then that's really worrying...
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You still think that our government is from left ? They literally destroyed what's left of "left". :sick:
i was told hes keeping the labour leader seat warm till somone decent can fill the gap. personally i think david is getting a bit weak now and should be more proactive. and why is it he when he metion's apprenticeships he always come up here to give a speech on why they are needed when bae do apprenticeships.
 
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We are democracy my friend .We have to answer those 125 crore people that elected this GoI .Nor we are a rich oil supported nation.
But when we signed a deal it would be a deal itself .Once we signed this Rafale deal ,you can see following orders after that.

What do you mean by that? So democracies take 10 years to decide? Your procurement policies and the people handling them, both are incompetent.
 
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After learning about Corbyn,I think now I start to trust @mike2000 is back 's friends conspiracy theories about Corbyn being a Conservative agent infiltrating the Labour party to destroy it. :lol:
If he's not a conservative agent,then that's really worrying...
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You still think that our government is from left ? They literally destroyed what's left of "left". :sick:

It might not be a conspiracy theory anymore mate. Judging by Corbyns actions day by day, it seems more likely he is a conservative trojan horse. lol

Moreover, there is literally no real leftist government left in France, the socialist government of Francois Hollande has been even more 'rightist' in many of it's internal and external policies than the former UMP Sarkozy government. To be honest France still has some sane/decisive politicians compared to us.:agree:

its you guy's doing this. im sending the lefties as well as corbyn their leader to france. im sure you can make room for them. by the time he's finished with you, the word war will be banned and france will be a weapon free country where, cars will be taxed by the mile and bikes will promoted as good transport and a healthy activity. heck airbus will have to build peddle powered planes. ohh yeah car's will be taxed because you will be stone dead broke and cant afford to import oil.
:enjoy:
@mike2000 is back you find corbyn and his crew. i will get tickets for the eurostar, then we meet up and we bundel them in the van and drive them in the eurostar and leave the van there, and when they get on the other side the frenchys will get a nasty suprise. typhoons will be going to the uae pronto.
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Lol He might be put refugee/migrant camp alias the Jungle if we ship him to France. I am sure he will be of good help to the migrants spiritually. :partay:
 
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meh the rafale is a good bird gotta admit it. but i prefer the typhoon, sorry tay and vaubhan i have my own opinion.

oman is getting the frst of the typhoons next year, and i think kuwait has signed for 28 of them now. in the race for who exported more, we win, but the french policy in the middle east is good for defence contractors. we were same during the iraq war with blair and brown. howelse do you think the saudis purchased the typhoons and the hawks? now we are being a bit soft there and for some reason we are still supplying alot of weapons there. hopefully they will buy some of the newer tranch 3b's as for the uae who knows, but the french may have it in the bag.

True, don't also forget that not only Saudi Arabia(and India) ordered hawks together with the Typhoons for the former, Oman also ordered 8 hawks together with 12 Typhoons worth almost $3billion for Britain and securing about 5000 jobs for BAE in Lancashire. It's good we have a regular customers like KSA and Oman, who have been using British fighter jets for decades now(Jaguars,Tornadoes, Hawks etc). Our Hawks have been a huge success with over 900(out of over 1000 built so far) sold so far globally, making them the most successful trainer jet in the world.
Looking forward to Kuwaiti order/assembly for Typhoons.

The thing is, we have grown very soft politically these past years after the Iraq war fiasco. :sick:
 
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What do you mean by that? So democracies take 10 years to decide? Your procurement policies and the people handling them, both are incompetent.

Well we dont need your certificate .
Dont worry Rafale main target would be China .Pakistan is not a concern in here .
 
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LOL True . You know or 'human right groups' here are farrrrr more notorious than those of le pays de droit de l'homme.:cheesy: They act as if live in another planet, thinking only British arms cause mayhem around the world, while other countries only exports sunflower arms which spreads love and peace. lol It's a very weird logic to be honest. Something i'm still trying to understand. Granted our defence companies are secound only to the U.S in weapons sales globally and footprint, however this doesnt means we should be unfairly targeted for any arms sale we make.Never mind the self proclaimed world savior from 'western Imperialism' i.e Russia is at the forefront of propagating and encouraging such propaganda, while hiding/concealing its own large amount of weapon sales. They are good at popaganda as well though, since many naive poor people in the developing/underdeveloped would seem to believe them . lol

Britain’s sale of arms to Saudi Arabia violates international law – lawyers
Published time: 11 Jan, 2016 14:18
Get short URL
56937eaac36188d5348b45fd.jpg

A house is pictured after it was destroyed by a Saudi-led air strike in Yemen's capital Sanaa January 8, 2016. © Khaled Abdullah / Reuters

The British government has been accused of violating international law by enabling the export of British-made arms to Saudi Arabia, which may have been used to kill civilians.
In the face of mounting evidence that Saudi forces are breaching international law in Yemen, law firm Leigh Day has challenged the government’s export of missiles and other arms to the Gulf state.

A letter issued by the firm to the government on Sunday highlights global organizations that have branded Saudi airstrikes in Yemen illegal. Among these are the European Parliament (EP) and an array of prominent human rights groups that have been monitoring Saudi Arabia’s attacks on Yemen.

Leigh Day’s 19-page letter, which was sent to the government on behalf of Campaign Against the Arms Trade (CAAT), condemns the targeting of civilians and non-combatants in Yemen, as well as the targeting of facilities vital for sustaining basic humanitarian needs. It also criticizes the disproportionate number of civilian casualties in Yemen and an overall failure to ensure unnecessary harm to civilians is avoided.

The letter says Saudi Arabia’s airstrikes have destroyed culturally significant property in Yemen, and condemns a Saudi naval blockade, which is halting the flow of essential food and medicine into the crisis-ridden state.

Despite the gravity of these allegations, the British government has refused to suspend military licenses governing arms’ exports to the Gulf state. It has also failed to call for an inquiry into whether Saudi Arabia has violated international law.

Leigh Day called on the government to confirm whether or not it accepts there is concrete evidence that Saudi Arabia’s conduct in Yemen has breached international law. It also urged the government to verify if Secretary of State for Business, Innovation & Skills (BIS) Sajid Javid will suspend Britain’s sale of arms to Saudi Arabia until a full review of their legality is carried out.

Leigh Day also urged Javid not to authorize further export licenses for Saudi Arabia until the inquiry is completed.

The law firm asked for a full response to its letter within two weeks. Failure to do this would spark legal proceedings against the government, forcing it to explain in the high court what steps it has undertaken to ensure British arms are not being used in violation of international law.

A BIS spokesperson confirmed the department’s receipt of the letter, but told the Guardian it would not comment on the matter because of “ongoing legal action.”

Leigh Day human rights lawyer Rosa Curling said the government has a legal duty to ensure arms and technological equipment exported from Britain are used in accordance with international law.

“Given the widespread and credible evidence that the Saudi authorities are breaching their international obligations in Yemen, we can see no credible basis upon which the UK government can lawfully continue to export arms to them,” she said.

“We hope our client’s letter will cause the government to reconsider its position and suspend all licenses with immediate effect pending a proper investigation into the issue.”

Andrew Smith of Campaign Against the Arms Trade (CAAT) warns that British weapons are central to the military campaign that has “killed thousands of people, destroyed vital infrastructure and inflamed tensions in the region.”

“The UK has been complicit in the destruction by continuing to support airstrikes and provide arms, despite strong and increasing evidence that war crimes are being committed,” he said.

“These arms sales should never have been approved in the first place. The Saudi regime has an appalling human rights record and always has done.”

Leigh Day’s legal maneuver highlights Britain’s lucrative arms trade with Saudi Arabia. Almost £6 billion worth of British arms have been licensed to the Gulf state since Prime Minister David Cameron took office in 2010.

There was pressure to suspend the UK’s military exports to Saudi Arabia in July 2015, but the government flatly refused. Foreign Office minister Tobias Ellwood told parliament at the time the government had seen no credible evidence indicating the Saudi-led coalition had acted illegally.

By contrast, Amnesty International warned of the coalition’s disgraceful disregard for civilian lives. The UN also expressed similar concern.

Britain’s sale of arms to Saudi Arabia violates international law – lawyers — RT UK


I am not aware of any International Law that makes it illegal to sell weapons to Saudi Arabia.
The UNSC may decide on an arms ban, or a country may have local laws blocking sales.
(Sweden would never sell Gripen to Saudi Arabia)
Looks like something that can be ignored.
 
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