قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

[Yaseen1]

Ijtehad is also part of Islam and any law which is implemented by agreement of all Islamic schools of thought has value

specific instruction have been given to muslims on such issue including no of women kept in Nikkah of Prophet Muhammad(SAW) whereas the instructions on issues like blasphemy have been discussed in Quran as shared in earlier post

 

[paki_rambo]

The Holy Quran verse you quoted is for any person who seek forgiveness before caught by any Muslim

to give you a clear picture

there are no instruction such as you mentioned about being caught by a muslim but it does say that Allah will punish them in afterlife and in this world too so why not leave it to Allah

 

[Zarvan]

Wait I thought religious threads weren't allowed? @The Eagle why don't you do your bit here too? Or is it one rule for someone else and another rule for someone else?

Mine was discussing the murder linked to Blasphemy Law. This is specifically based on religion.

@Proudpakistaniguy



Why don't you admit that there is a problem with blasphemy laws being misused and that it does require a reformation. It's better to let someone go accidentally than to KILL them accidentally.

Because the problem is not implementing Blasphemy laws the moment State starts implementing this law with full power there will be no rogue groups taking law in there own hands but cases will be reported to Police.

 

[Yaseen1]

different Holy Quran verses have context which is different so to understand them context is required and for this person a person with complete knowledge of Tafseer is required to quote so quote it with tafseer. Also there are certain orders which are applicable at one time and canceled at later time so complete knowledge is necessary to quote any verse of Holy Quran

to give you a clear picture

there are no instruction such as you mentioned about being caught by a muslim but it does say that Allah will punish them in afterlife and in this world too so why not leave it to Allah

 

[paki_rambo]

Ijtehad is also part of Islam and any law which is implemented by agreement of all Islamic schools of thought has value

after al-tabwah there is no need for explanation from any muslim scholar as clear and straight forward instruction have been given to Muslims on such cases.

 

[Yaseen1]

if you use only Translation of Holy Quran without knowledge of the context you can take any meanings of it .Isis is also using same verses with no explanation and tafseer and killing innocent people.

after al-tabwah there is no need for explanation from any muslim scholar as clear and straight forward instruction have been given to Muslims on such cases.

 

[Musafir117]

The Holy Quran states!

“Verily, those who malign Allah and His Messenger — Allah has cursed them in this world and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them an abasing punishment. And those who malign believing men and believing women for what they have not earned shall bear the guilt of a calumny and a manifest sin.” (33:58-59)

It should be noted that the ‘abasing punishment’ of blaspheming God and His Messenger rests with God alone and it is up to Him whether He punishes such persons in this world or in the hereafter. The authority to punish blasphemers has not been delegated to anyone, not even to the Holy Prophet(saw).


The Holy Prophet’s(saw) life is a beautiful illustration of the word forgiveness, as incidents from his perfect life demonstrate how he pardoned even his worst enemies. For example, the Holy Qur’an records the statement of Abdullah bin Ubayy who, in the company of others, called himself ‘the most exalted’ and referred to the Holy Prophet(saw) as ‘most mean’ (Ch.63:V.9). However, Abdullah bin Ubayy was not given any punishment whatsoever and he continued to live peacefully in Madinah until he died a natural death. In fact, the Holy Prophet(saw) himself led his funeral prayer.

Another example of the Holy Prophet’s(saw) patient nature is demonstrated when Makkah fell to the Holy Prophet(saw). He pardoned all those who had dismissed him by calling him a sorcerer, madman, or liar.5

The Holy Prophet(saw) also forgave Abu Sufyan, the Makkan leader who led the most wars against him; Wahshi, who had killed the Holy Prophet’s(saw) own uncle, Hazrat Hamzah(ra); and Hinda, the wife of Abu Sufyan, who had torn out Hadhrat Hamza’s(ra) liver and chewed it out of spite.

Furthermore, he also pardoned Habbar, who speared and felled the camel that had been carrying the Holy Prophet’s(saw) daughter, Hadhrat Zainab(ra), from Makkah to Madinah. As a result, Hadhrat Zainab(ra), who was pregnant at the time, miscarried and eventually passed away. And yet the Holy Prophet(saw) forgave even him.

But these are just a few instances; the Holy Prophet’s(saw) life is replete with examples of his forgiveness of even his worst enemies. He was more merciful than any person ever born. Indeed, God Himself called the Holy Prophet(saw) a “mercy for all mankind.”

How sad we doing opposite as Islam itself mean Peace and astaghfarullah trying to portraying Rehmaul Aalemeen Mohammad SAW Who order to kill someone who insult Him or Allah wo Quran ( Naouzbillh )

 

[paki_rambo]

different Holy Quran verses have context which is different so to understand them context is required and for this person a person with complete knowledge of Tafseer is required to quote so quote it with tafseer. Also there are certain orders which are applicable at one time and canceled at later time so complete knowledge is necessary to quote any verse of Holy Quran

now you seem to me a confused guy if straight forward instructions are gives there is no need for tafssers

وَاصْبِرْ عَلَىٰ مَا يَقُولُونَ وَاهْجُرْهُمْ هَجْرًا جَمِيلًا

And be patient over what they say and avoid them with gracious avoidance.

وَذَرْنِي وَالْمُكَذِّبِينَ أُولِي النَّعْمَةِ وَمَهِّلْهُمْ قَلِيلًا
And leave Me with [the matter of] the deniers, those of ease [in life], and allow them respite a little.

إِنَّ لَدَيْنَا أَنكَالًا وَجَحِيمًا
Indeed, with Us [for them] are shackles and burning fire

وَطَعَامًا ذَا غُصَّةٍ وَعَذَابًا أَلِيمًا
And food that chokes and a painful punishment -


again if Allah can punish self acclaimed GODs like Pharoh he can punish blasphemers himself

if you use only Translation of Holy Quran without knowledge of the context you can take any meanings of it .Isis is also using same verses with no explanation and tafseer and killing innocent people.

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَكْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَيُرِيدُونَ أَن يُفَرِّقُوا بَيْنَ اللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَيَقُولُونَ نُؤْمِنُ بِبَعْضٍ وَنَكْفُرُ بِبَعْضٍ وَيُرِيدُونَ أَن يَتَّخِذُوا بَيْنَ ذَٰلِكَ سَبِيلًا

Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between -
أُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْكَافِرُونَ حَقًّا ۚ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لِلْكَافِرِينَ عَذَابًا مُّهِينًا
Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.

tafssers can be molded and used for personal gains which has been done in case of blasphemy law but words of Allah cannot be molded

if you use only Translation of Holy Quran without knowledge of the context you can take any meanings of it .Isis is also using same verses with no explanation and tafseer and killing innocent people.

and same has been done in case of blasphemy law used by so called mazhab ky takhedar. they de shaped tafseer and words of authentic muslims scholars for personal use
its not yahoodi sazish but appears like action of mir jaffar and mir sadaq

 

[Yaseen1]

Holy Prophet [P.B.U.H] has said if someone read any verse of Holy Quran and take out any meaning himself without any knowledge then he will be on mistake no matter the meaning he takes out of it is actually correct

now you seem to me a confused guy if straight forward instructions are gives there is no need for tafssers

وَاصْبِرْ عَلَىٰ مَا يَقُولُونَ وَاهْجُرْهُمْ هَجْرًا جَمِيلًا

And be patient over what they say and avoid them with gracious avoidance.

وَذَرْنِي وَالْمُكَذِّبِينَ أُولِي النَّعْمَةِ وَمَهِّلْهُمْ قَلِيلًا
And leave Me with [the matter of] the deniers, those of ease [in life], and allow them respite a little.

إِنَّ لَدَيْنَا أَنكَالًا وَجَحِيمًا
Indeed, with Us [for them] are shackles and burning fire

وَطَعَامًا ذَا غُصَّةٍ وَعَذَابًا أَلِيمًا
And food that chokes and a painful punishment -


again if Allah can punish self acclaimed GODs like Pharoh he can punish blasphemers himself






إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَكْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَيُرِيدُونَ أَن يُفَرِّقُوا بَيْنَ اللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَيَقُولُونَ نُؤْمِنُ بِبَعْضٍ وَنَكْفُرُ بِبَعْضٍ وَيُرِيدُونَ أَن يَتَّخِذُوا بَيْنَ ذَٰلِكَ سَبِيلًا

Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between -
أُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْكَافِرُونَ حَقًّا ۚ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لِلْكَافِرِينَ عَذَابًا مُّهِينًا
Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.

tafssers can be molded and used for personal gains which has been done in case of blasphemy law but words of Allah cannot be molded



and same has been done in case of blasphemy law used by so called mazhab ky takhedar. they de shaped tafseer and words of authentic muslims scholars for personal use
its not yahoodi sazish but appears like action of mir jaffar and mir sadaq

ct

 

[paki_rambo]

Holy Prophet [P.B.U.H] has said if someone read any verse of Holy Quran and take out any meaning himself without any knowledge then he will be on mistake no matter the meaning he takes out of it is actually corre

i am not making a self made meaning of Quranic versses but simply quoting them and their true meaning

 

[Yaseen1]

the verse of Holy Quran you are quoting is not specific for blasphemy it has wider meaning so to understand it requires wider knowledge as we were not present at the time when it was revealed on Holy Prophet[P.B.U.H] so we have to follow someone with knowledge to understand it

i am not making a self made meaning of Quranic versses but simply quoting them and their true meaning

 

[paki_rambo]

the verse of Holy Quran you are quoting is not specific for blasphemy it has wider meaning so to understand it requires wider knowledge as we were not present at the time when it was revealed on Holy Prophet[P.B.U.H] so we have to follow someone with knowledge to understand it

do you think these mullahs have wider knowlege of Islam
beside Quran covers all aspects of life its not possible this delicate matter has been left off

the verse of Holy Quran you are quoting is not specific for blasphemy it has wider meaning so to understand it requires wider knowledge as we were not present at the time when it was revealed on Holy Prophet[P.B.U.H] so we have to follow someone with knowledge to understand it

just like quran asks to offer namaz and sunnah covers the way it should be offered
similarly Quran asks to leave matter onto Allah and sunnah stands as example for us in such cases

 

[Yaseen1]

Holy Prophet[P.B.U.H] said that there will be one group in My ummah who will always remain on right path .He[P.B.U.H] has also told us to be with jammat of Muslims

do you think these mullahs have wider knowlege of Islam
beside Quran covers all aspects of life its not possible this delicate matter has been left off



just like quran asks to offer namaz and sunnah covers the way it should be offered
similarly Quran asks to leave matter onto Allah and sunnah stands as example for us in such cases

 

[paki_rambo]

Holy Prophet[P.B.U.H] said that there will be one group in My ummah who will always remain on right path .He[P.B.U.H] has also told us to be with jammat of Muslims

indeed but has Allah and Prophet asked us to make such laws and take matter onto our own hands. No they did not but we are using an extension of british law to kill our own people

 

[Yaseen1]

if we remove this law then any body will kill any person in the name of blasphemy as it is natural that blasphemy hurts emotions of every Muslim so severely that he cannot control himself

indeed but has Allah and Prophet asked us to make such laws and take matter onto our own hands. No they did not but we are using an extension of british law to kill our own people