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@waz @Zaki didn't wanted to tag you but i was forced to can you pls take care of some members who are now doing point scoring by calling the killers liberals and bla bla some are even calling the people against blasphemy law ''scums'' and are resorting to personal comments can you pls clean up the thread? it is such a good thread so far everyone is debating in a civilized manner but some emotionally charged people have to ruin everything. I hope you will clean it up and not lock it. :)
@TankMan @haviZsultan @Azlan Haider
 
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Read below if you can understand Urdu.Rasool SAW himself ordered his companions to murder those people who used to abuse him.
If you are quoting the events of Fatah-e-Makah then quote them completely,not just first part.
You and your copy paste stuff of few haidith out of context don't make any sense. You are also ignoring verses of Quran and others examples in life of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) which contradict with these copy pasted stuff you posted . You are also confusing Punishment for treachery with punishment for blasphemy or apostasy. Killing someone is serious offence in Islam and you are simply justifying the act of mobs by saying that Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ordered his Sahaba to kill those who insulted him so in other words you are saying that these mobs actually followed the example of Sahabah. I even read that many mentally unstable man and woman were killed in Pakistan for Blasphemy.

Mate you are following Prophet (PBUH) and Islam in same way as TTP, ISIS and Osama is/were doing while my Prophet(PBUH) is different who is merciful, kind, forgiving and compassionate who would never do such things which you are associating with him. I still think that government whether Islamic or secular should have some laws to protect the religious sentiment of people and no one should have this right to incite and provoke others by mocking any Prophet or scriptures of any religion but saying that Prophet recommended death penalty for blasphemy is actually insult to excellent character of our beloved Prophet(PBUH)
 
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A stupid question indeed.

Carl Sagan, in his work The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark said: "There are naive questions, tedious questions, ill-phrased questions, questions put after inadequate self-criticism. But every question is a cry to understand the world. There is no such thing as a dumb question"

@waz @Zaki didn't wanted to tag you but i was forced to can you pls take care of some members who are now doing point scoring by calling the killers liberals and bla bla some are even calling the people against blasphemy law ''scums'' and are resorting to personal comments can you pls clean up the thread? it is such a good thread so far everyone is debating in a civilized manner but some emotionally charged people have to ruin everything. I hope you will clean it up and not lock it. :)
@TankMan @haviZsultan @Azlan Haider

Please do not be cry baby now. You lot have labelled a large section of the society as fanatics and killers and whatnot in every thread related to blasphemy! Now that liberals have killed under the pretext of blasphemy, you want KILLER label to be removed!
 
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Please do not be cry baby now. You lot have labelled a large section of the society as fanatics and killers and whatnot in every thread related to blasphemy!
Seriously man i don't want this thread to be locked because of you don't quote me again and waste my time.
 
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hahaha .. then stop moaning about my posts!
 
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How did these blasphemy and apostasy laws come to be associated with Islam?

The blasphemy and apostasy laws are found in the Hadeeth, sayings attributed to Prophet Mohammad, which were compiled two-three centuries after his death. Muslims know that no Hadeeth should contradict the Quran if they are to be accepted, given their subjective nature and reliance on the Quran for authenticity.

But early scholars intentionally overlooked this to protect the interests of clergymen and political leaders. These oppressive laws allow them to exercise complete control over people, punishing anyone who threatens their position by declaring them apostates — enemies of Islam. To so many clergymen, religion is nothing but a means to gain power and control people. To keep out competition and force their monopoly, they invent laws in the name of God so “consumers” have no choice but to keep buying their “product.” Or face persecution.

Religious leaders like Tahir-ul-Qadri, a staunch proponent of blasphemy laws, rule people by fear. Add to that the fact that the average Muslim is unaware of the Quran’s teachings, which makes them likely to believe whatever the clergy tells them about Islam. Of these leaders, the Qur’an asks us to be weary: “O You who have believed! A great many religious leaders: rabbis, priests, monks, Mullahs, yogis, and mystics devour the wealth of people in falsehood, and bar them from the path of God” (Quran 9:34).

So what exactly does the Quran say about blasphemy and apostasy?

Quite frankly, blasphemy and apostasy laws are themselves blasphemous to the teachings of the Qur’an. Not in the traditional sense, but because they violate the very instructions the scripture gives regarding freedom of belief.

Regarding apostasy, in Quran 2:256 God says, “There is no compulsion in matters of faith. The right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces false authorities and becomes at peace with God has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. God is Hearer, Knower.”

In a similar vein, verse 109:6 instructs adherents to end a debate by saying: “To you, your belief system. And to me, mine.”

If all that isn’t convincing enough, Quran 10:99 should seal the deal: “If your Lord willed, all who are on earth, would have believed (by not providing free will). Would you then, compel people to become believers?”

When it comes to blasphemy, I often hear some version of, “Hold on. If someone mocks my religion, it prompts me to act violently. You see, it makes me very emotional.”

But this statement only shows an ignorance of the Quran, which says in verse 6:68, “When you see them engaged in vain discourse about Our verses, turn away from them unless they engage in a different subject. If Satan ever makes you forget (i.e. your mind gets engrossed in their discourse,) then as soon as you recollect, no longer sit in the company of the people who confound the truth with falsehood.”

Here, Muslims are instructed to engage with these people if they change the topic. Certainly that means we’re not to have enmity towards them, let alone kill them!

And, again, Quran 28:55 instructs, “Whenever they (believers) hear vain talk of ridicule, they withdraw from it decently and say, ‘“To us our deeds and to you yours; Peace be upon you, we do not seek to join the ignorant.”

Those verses are practically shouting freedom of expression at the top of their lungs! Islam is a very progressive path to God, one in which differences in opinions and beliefs are accepted, not punished (Quran 39:18). On the other hand, blasphemy and apostasy laws lead to negative misconceptions about Islam being an oppressive faith.

But what are we Muslims to do? By not voicing our disapproval, we stand for these anti-Quranic laws and call them Islam. Is that not like setting your own house on fire? There is not a single verse that encourages Muslims to act violently toward those who leave Islam, or even mock the Quran. After all, shouldn’t truth be able to defend itself on its own merit? What good is a forced belief?

We can even take it a step further by noting how rejecters treated the prophets.

Of Prophet Nooh: “They said, ‘If you do not desist, O Noah, you will surely be of those who are stoned’” (Quran 26:116).

Prophet Ibrahim’s father said, ”Do you dislike my gods, O Abraham? If you cease not, I will certainly cause you to be stoned to death! Now get away from me for good” (Quran 19:46). Similarly, the priesthood said of Ibrahim, “Burn him alive and uphold your gods if you are going to take any action” (Quran 21:68).

Regarding Prophet Musa, “[Pharaoh] said, ‘If you take a god/authority other than me, I will surely place you among those imprisoned’” (Quran 26:29). To Musa’s followers, Pharaoh also said, “I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and I will surely crucify you all” (Quran 26:49).”

These verses should reveal to us a different perspective: all prophets were seen as blasphemers and apostates to the prevalent religion of their time. To condone the oppressive laws of religious leaders today is to support ill treatment of the prophets. After all, you would’ve done the same!

And that’s the most ironic part. If a messenger were to come today, these clergymen and their ardent followers would utter the same threats to him. They have fabricated their own laws in the name of God, so when you ask them to reform, they either consider you a blasphemer or an apostate and have a fatwa issued to kill you. That’s the scary thing about truth: it doesn’t warrant aggression but is always met with it.

This is not a matter of interpretation, as some would call it. The Quran condemns forced belief in numerous verses. Rather, this is a matter of giving preference to the Hadeeth over the Quran to justify bigotry and extremism in the name of Islam. Having said that, it’s up to you whether you want to rethink your stance or keep blindly following what you have been taught — whether you want to follow Islam or Hislam. Because unlike misguided religious fanatics, sincere believers never force their beliefs on others.

What’s the Golden Rule, again? “Any secondary source on Islam that goes against the Quran should be rejected.”

Often said, but seldom followed.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/altmuslim/2014/06/apostasy-laws-and-blasphemy-in-islam-islamic-or-not/
 
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Truth is a bitter pill to swallow! And I said that liberal fascists and khawarij dogs are no different. Quote fully next time!

And I did not name one particular member a scum ... why are you getting all worked up about it!?
 
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You and your copy paste stuff of few haidith out of context don't make any sense. You are also ignoring verses of Quran and others examples in life of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) which contradict with these copy pasted stuff you posted . You are also confusing Punishment for treachery with punishment for blasphemy or apostasy. Killing someone is serious offence in Islam and you are simply justifying the act of mobs by saying that Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ordered his Sahaba to kill those who insulted him so in other words you are saying that these mobs actually followed the example of Sahabah. I even read that many mentally unstable man and woman were killed in Pakistan for Blasphemy.

Mate you are following Prophet (PBUH) and Islam in same way as TTP, ISIS and Osama is/were doing while my Prophet(PBUH) is different who is merciful, kind, forgiving and compassionate who would never do such things which you are associating with him. I still think that government whether Islamic or secular should have some laws to protect the religious sentiment of people and no one should have this right to incite and provoke others by mocking any Prophet or scriptures of any religion but saying that Prophet recommended death penalty for blasphemy is actually insult to excellent character of our beloved Prophet(PBUH)
You did not answer me on other thread ................ And you said he is doing copy and past "what about you what are you doing" Are you scholar of Islam ?????
so for you whatever your copy past said is right and his copy past is out of contest and bla , bla.....
And where he justify the killing of Mashal???????? But he was explain the blasphemy law ...... But if he did he is totally wrong!!!!!!!
Now y not people like you move a petition in supreme court and prove there ,,, If the court goes in your favour and National assembly pass the bill I will support you all (I completely take Religion and Scholars out from it).
Instead of crying against law , Y not take legal action ?? Y you all worry if this law is so non-Islamic against every thing and against Quran!!!!!!!!!!! Who is stopping you?
(I used "you" just to explain , it could be mind set)
 
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You did not answer me on other thread ................ And you said he is doing copy and past "what about you what are you doing" Are you scholar of Islam ?????
so for you whatever your copy past said is right and his copy past is out of contest and bla , bla.....
And where he justify the killing of Mashal???????? But he was explain the blasphemy law ...... But if he did he is totally wrong!!!!!!!
Now y not people like you move a petition in supreme court and prove there ,,, If the court goes in your favour and National assembly pass the bill I will support you all (I completely take Religion and Scholars out from it).
Instead of crying against law , Y not take legal action ?? Y you all worry if this law is so non-Islamic against every thing and against Quran!!!!!!!!!!! Who is stopping you?
(I used "you" just to explain , it could be mind set)
My post which you quoted is not a copy paste. He is saying that Mobs actually followed the example of Sahabah as Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ordered sahaba to kill those who insulted him? do you agree with his statement or not? and stop using these annoying colour and capital letter randomly in your posts
 
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You can't get away by calling people/members ''scums and khawarij dogs''.
SANDI THEY TOLD ME TO GO TO KSA AND enrol my self in madrasa and have jihad ,,,,,,, they compare me with isis ,,,, and they blamed me for justifying Killing of Mashal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I ask what is that????
And I was only telling them that there is a reason behind the law ,,,,, just don't open your mouth I'm hate or because of any biased ................ But no they did not lesson......... And that so called civil girl ask @The Eagle what not she called the law............
I don't belong to any extreme , Please tell me where do I go and where is My Pakistan...
Note: Bothe extremes where against Pakistan making , you can check the history , Ironically now both become father of My Country............
 
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My post which you quoted is not a copy paste. He is saying that Mobs actually followed the example of Sahabah as Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ordered sahaba to kill those who insulted him? do you agree with his statement or not? and stop using these annoying colour and capital letter randomly in your posts
are you have reading problem or you have issues with memory ,,,,,,,,,,, Have you read my hole post ..... Read it again and then answer what I asked............ And yes you were copy and pasting better if you check your onw history
 
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