Q&A on the death of Osama.

[Bratva]

What is the latest strategy of Your Intel Department now as Americans are hell bent to do unilateral action again, How would your Agency will deal with this scenario if it happens again?


P.S. I assume, after getting node of the seniors, you begin your unofficial explanation here.

 

[Icarus]

Blood stains dont decompose/contaminate that easily. Pakistan was controlling that site 15 minutes after Americans had left. There are many possibilities for professional forensic experts to know truth.

But since Pakistani Establishment has to blindly follow American instructions, therefore there is no need to determine exact truth. Only statements from US and OBL widows are enough for enslaved people.

I'm no forensic expert but I know that blood hardens on contact with air within the first 3 minutes. I also know that dust around you is composed of millions of tons of dead skin cells and various microorganisms who carry their own nucleic acid and blood being a viscous liquid has a tendency to allow these particles to stick to it. Sounds a plausible explanation that it was contaminated.
Secondly, I am no lawyer either but I'm pretty sure statement from a family confirming the killing of their member is considered enough to launch a criminal investigation and lead to the suspect being legally detained.

 

[Icarus]

my whole family lives 3 miles away from where allegedly OBL was killed and the chain of events i came to know does match your description of events. but none of that confirms OBLs presence there and that it was OBL killed.
The helicopter crash was extensively and in detail discussed and reported live on this forum in a thread. if you read the mentioned thread . you will notice that there are indications that pakarmy knew about the operation. what made it public and all of a suden the whole city descended on tbe OBL operstion site.was the hicopter crash. if the helicopter hadnt crashed things would have been different.

The army did not know about it, they reached the site and cordoned it off. Now, if they were told by the govt to stand down or were genuinely confused is something that I can only speculate about as can you but had the army known, I would have known and trust me, I did not know............

 

[Icarus]

What is the latest strategy of Your Intel Department now as Americans are hell bent to do unilateral action again, How would your Agency will deal with this scenario if it happens again?


P.S. I assume, after getting node of the seniors, you begin your unofficial explanation here.

The Army and the Intel agencies are very clear on the course of action to be taken in case of another such unilateral strike. We have decided and conveyed to CENTCOM-PAK that in the event of such a strike we will follow text book procedure which allows us to convey 3 warnings to the intruding helicopters and in the case of non-compliance or retaliation, they will be shot down. At the same time, analysts are hard at work trying to cover legal information that we can use to prevent any further unilateral strikes. What I say is simple, We were fooled once, we are sorry for that, God-willing it will not happen twice.

 

[SparklingCrescent]

whats your feeling towards U.S now a days Kakgeta? We already know Kiyani and Pasha are kissing Americas to bring in American troops for joint operations after failing to recognize OBL hideout. But we wanted to know the reaction of everyday Army/Intelligence officials. whats your reaction?

Whats your reaction to cry baby Pashas offer for resign?

 

[Icarus]

whats your feeling towards U.S now a days Kakgeta? We already know Kiyani and Pasha are kissing Americas to bring in American troops for joint operations after failing to recognize OBL hideout. But we wanted to know the reaction of everyday Army/Intelligence officials. whats your reaction?

Whats your reaction to cry baby Pashas offer for resign?

1) There is no talk going on about "bringing American troops for joint ops" instead, about 335 Americans have had to leave Pakistan. You must be confusing it with statements that if another high value target is identified then an op will be launched by Pakistani forces with U.S embeds, like when KSM was captured.
2) The average army officer/intel official is the same as any Pakistani, we are disgusted over this blatant breach of our sovereignty and are determined never to allow it to happen again.

 

[asad71]

1. We live in a time when govts routinely lie. Intel agencies flood the media with disinformation. The international media itself is totally controlled by the Zionists/West. May I, therefore, pose the fol question?

2. Is it possible the Americans came only to dig up the grave where OBL had been buried for years after he died of renal failure in Abbottabad CMH? My reasons:
a. The Americans are so foolish that they have foregone the advantages of having a live POW,and they are not showing any proof of a dead body also, but are talking of a DNA test which is possible on a skeleton. Note they are not releasing the details of the DNA test.

b. Even if they be SEALS, if you have trained or operated with the Americans, you would know how indisciplined and soft they are. If we agree to that statement, even then what the hell were they doing for such a long time at that house? The time has been stated to be between 38 mins and 5 hrs (0100 hrs to first light). Were they taking all this time to dig? That's a hard ground next to the PMA Mile Course.

c. It would fit to assume Mrs OBL and an attendant rushed to prevent the grave being desecrated.

2. I believe Pakistanis would want to know the truth - the whole truth. Otherwise this incident may become another cause of continued turmoil in Pak society - which your enemies will exploit. In my experience, I found the ordinary Pakistani always wanting the truth, and would feel betrayed if lied to.

 

[SparklingCrescent]

The Army and the Intel agencies are very clear on the course of action to be taken in case of another such unilateral strike. We have decided and conveyed to CENTCOM-PAK that in the event of such a strike we will follow text book procedure which allows us to convey 3 warnings to the intruding helicopters and in the case of non-compliance or retaliation, they will be shot down. At the same time, analysts are hard at work trying to cover legal information that we can use to prevent any further unilateral strikes. What I say is simple, We were fooled once, we are sorry for that, God-willing it will not happen twice.

thank you...

 

[Vassnti]

b. Even if they be SEALS, if you have trained or operated with the Americans, you would know how indisciplined and soft they are. .

LOL I take it from your coment you have never trained with SEALs, arogant mysoginistic SOB's perhaps but calling them soft is a fast way to carry your teeth home in your pocket.



Thank you Sir (Kakgeta), for taking the time and showing such patience in answering the questions here.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

why they killed unarmed Bin Laden who did not offer any resistance? This man was head of the world’s meanest terrorist network and he was killed when so much information could have been obtained from him if they capture him

 

[gubbi]

I'm no forensic expert but I know that blood hardens on contact with air within the first 3 minutes. I also know that dust around you is composed of millions of tons of dead skin cells and various microorganisms who carry their own nucleic acid and blood being a viscous liquid has a tendency to allow these particles to stick to it. Sounds a plausible explanation that it was contaminated.
Secondly, I am no lawyer either but I'm pretty sure statement from a family confirming the killing of their member is considered enough to launch a criminal investigation and lead to the suspect being legally detained.

Dried blood can be used for DNA analysis. It depends on the surface or material from which such is extracted (glass/metal being easy, fabric/cloth a little difficult while impossible with concrete/soil). Either the site was thoroughly contaminated or collection/extraction protocols werent strictly followed. For now, lets stick to these two options, unless you want to add something else.

Interesting that the helo crashed during extraction and not during insertion as previously assumed.

So when did Pakistani authorities finally realize that it was a US raid? After the helos were on their way back or had left your airspace?

 

[asad71]

Yes, the American soldier lacks robustness of the mind or body. You check a SEAL's back pack and you will find it full of beer cans. You can hear an US soldier from a KM because of his curses and abuses - not particularly directed at anyone. That is a sure sign of a frightened man. By comparison you won't know of the presence of a HM or Gurkha at night till you have stepped on one. Rambo movies, Discovery channel, etc,etc are to impress and overawe people like us.

 

[sid426]

My Question is:-

Why there are so many conspiracy theories lurking around in Pakistan regarding Osama's death. Every major issue is held in suspicion, like 9/11 is considered a jewish conspiracy etc; etc;

Why there is a lack of confidence for the Internationa media among the Pakistani masses?

 

[modern_newton]

My Question is:-

Why there are so many conspiracy theories lurking around in Pakistan regarding Osama's death

masses?

lack of evidence is the reason

 

[Icarus]

why they killed unarmed Bin Laden who did not offer any resistance? This man was head of the world’s meanest terrorist network and he was killed when so much information could have been obtained from him if they capture him

I think only the SEALS who participated in the raid can answer this question but if I am to take a guess, I would say they were expecting him to be wearing a suicide jacket and decided it wasn't worth the risk.